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Trains in Movies (Silver Streak)
Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 8:07 AM
Just watched Silver Streak again last night on Fox movie channel. For passenger train freaks this movie has a lot of good interior shots that would be useful for gathering interior detail information.

I'm guessing the locomotives were FP7's ? Looked like the paint scheme was CP although they had bogus AMROAD logos everywhere.

It's funny how after getting immersed in the hobby for a while movies like this take on a whole new perspective.
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Posted by beegle55 on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 8:10 AM
I haven't seen silver streak in a while, and I don't have any passenger trains yet. But thats all right!
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Posted by Tracklayer on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 8:46 AM
I also found that I paid closer attention to details on trains in movies and so forth after I got into the hobby.
I first saw Silver Streak at the old local theater when it first came out in the late 70s and a couple of times on TV since then. I like the part at the very end when the loco comes crashing through the station...

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 9:30 AM
Silver Streak has always been one of my favorite movies. Years ago, I read somewhere that it had to be filmed in Canada because Amtrak refused to cooperate with the film because of the obvious negative images of the run-a-way train etc. Course that could just an excuse since it seems to cheaper to film there than in the US for some reason i.e. Toronto is often used in films to represent a large US city.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 9:47 AM
This is a remake of a movie of the same name. It came out in either the 30s or 40s. It doesnt seem to be around, but can probably be found on the net if it was ever released on DVD or VHS. Should be interesting to watch
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Posted by nfmisso on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 12:28 PM
The locomotives are FP9.

Movies and TV series are shot in Canada because the Canadian goverment believes that it is advantagous to thier economy, thus the film companies get breaks that are not offered in the USA.
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Posted by NZRMac on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 1:07 PM
Has anyone seen the original Silver Streak movie with the Pioneer Zephyr in it 1934 I think?
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Posted by wjstix on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 1:32 PM
I have the original movie on DVD. It's actually a pretty good movie.

BTW it has nothing to do with the 1970's movie except the title, completely different stories. The 30's movie is about an engineer who designs a new diesel train for a railroad, and his problems getting everything to work correctly. The RR is about to cancel the diesel program when the RR president's son is taken ill while working on building Hoover Dam and has to be rushed east for treatment. It turns out only the diesel train can make the run in time. The train saves the day, the engineer is a hero and gets the girl etc. etc.
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Posted by NZRMac on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 4:43 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by wjstix

I have the original movie on DVD. It's actually a pretty good movie.

BTW it has nothing to do with the 1970's movie except the title, completely different stories. The 30's movie is about an engineer who designs a new diesel train for a railroad, and his problems getting everything to work correctly. The RR is about to cancel the diesel program when the RR president's son is taken ill while working on building Hoover Dam and has to be rushed east for treatment. It turns out only the diesel train can make the run in time. The train saves the day, the engineer is a hero and gets the girl etc. etc.


Thanks very much, I can picture the action!!

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Posted by CP5415 on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 4:49 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by nfmisso

The locomotives are FP9.

Movies and TV series are shot in Canada because the Canadian goverment believes that it is advantagous to thier economy, thus the film companies get breaks that are not offered in the USA.


Nigel, are you sure about that? I don't think CP had FP9's only 7's.
I'll have to get the movie to double check!!!

& actually, the movie making business is advantagous to the economy because of the decent paying jobs the industry creates as a result of them filming in Canada! Major plus for any local economy

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Posted by BR60103 on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 9:24 PM
CPR had both FP7 and FP9. The 9s were numbered in the 1400s, the 7s in the 4000s to 4100s, but many renumbered into gaps in th 1400s. 1405-1415 were FP9.
The train in SS was the Canadian re-lettered. A friend of mine has a slide of the Silver Streak consist tacked on behind the regular Canadian.
For people around Toronto, the final runaway sequence was amusing. The train seems to run down all the lines coming into Toronto; just imagine a run into New York which starts along the Pennsy, floows the Hudson south along the NYC and finally crosses the Hell's Gate bridge into Grand Central.

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Posted by twhite on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 10:19 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Jerry Leeds

This is a remake of a movie of the same name. It came out in either the 30s or 40s. It doesnt seem to be around, but can probably be found on the net if it was ever released on DVD or VHS. Should be interesting to watch


Actually, though both films share the same title, the Gene Wilder comedy is not a remake of the 1930's movie of the same name. The 'thirties action-adventure film 'starred' the Burlington "Pioneer Zephyr" and had to do with a transcontinental race from the West to the East coast to transport a seriously ill person to the only hospital in America that could treat the disease (Johns Hopkins, or something like that, on the East Coast). The original film had some wonderful shots of the Burlington 'streamliner', but the plot was straight out of the Hollywood B-film vaults.
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Posted by Southwest Chief on Thursday, March 23, 2006 12:20 AM
While it is true Amtrak did not want any part of the movie (mainly because of the crash scene)...they do appear in it.

If you look closely in the background when the dispatcher (Fred Willard) is talking to the cop about the Silver Streak being a runaway, you'll see a black Alco switcher pulling a few Amtrak baggage cars. This background shot was clearly taken in Chicago. The baggage cars were in phase I paint. So Amtrak does appear in Silver Streak. Wonder if they ever noticed it?

Silver Streak (1976) is my favorite movie. Fantastic actors and a somewhat interesting story loaded with action and trains makes this a winner. Gene Wilder and Richard Prior were fantastic in this movie. And Mr. Devereau (Patrick McGoohan) was perfect. I've contemplated a new cast for a modern day version of the movie, but just can't seem to find anyone up to McGoohan’s talent to fill the role. Recasting for Gene Wilder is also challenging as no one has his range of seriousness and comedic timing.

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Posted by Basinger1 on Sunday, October 27, 2013 11:57 AM
Great movie. Liked it since I was 4.
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Posted by Steven S on Sunday, October 27, 2013 7:11 PM

BR60103
The train seems to run down all the lines coming into Toronto;

The Wiki page on the movie says the station scenes (both Chicago and K.C. were filmed at Toronto's Union Station.  The biplane scenes were filmed in Alberta.

My favorite scene in that movie is when Gene Wilder is in the sheriff's office.

"Tell them I have the Rembrandt letters."

"Is he with the Feds?"

"Who?"

"This guy Rembrandt."

"Rembrandt is dead."

"Dead?! That makes four."

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Posted by zstripe on Sunday, October 27, 2013 7:23 PM

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The train seems to run down all the lines coming into Toronto;

The Wiki page on the movie says the station scenes (both Chicago and K.C. were filmed at Toronto's Union Station.  The biplane scenes were filmed in Alberta.

My favorite scene in that movie is when Gene Wilder is in the sheriff's office.

"Tell them I have the Rembrandt letters."

"Is he with the Feds?"

"Who?"

"This guy Rembrandt."

"Rembrandt is dead."

"Dead?! That makes four."

Steven S,

Even though,this is a seven year old thread,,that was funny.  Laugh

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Posted by Steven S on Sunday, October 27, 2013 7:42 PM

I hadn't noticed.  But Basinger1 resurrected it so might as well keep it going.

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Posted by zstripe on Sunday, October 27, 2013 7:50 PM

Steven S,

Yeah I know he started it,but I still think,a lot in that movie,was funny. Smile, Wink & Grin

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Posted by HO-Velo on Sunday, October 27, 2013 7:56 PM

 

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It's funny how after getting immersed in the hobby for a while movies like this take on a whole new perspective.

I know what you mean, now my favorite Hitchcock movie is "North by Northwest", still can't decide which is more elegant, Eva Marie Saint or the "20th Century Limited".

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Posted by leighant on Sunday, October 27, 2013 8:26 PM

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Just watched Silver Streak again last night on Fox movie channel. For passenger train freaks this movie has a lot of good interior shots that would be useful for gathering interior detail information.

I would wonder whether an entertainment movie would be a good place to get passenger train interior information.  I understand most extended interior train scenes are filmed on mockup sets, where walls can be moved out of the way to allow camera angels, with background action out the windows matted in through the green screen process.  Since "Silver Streak" was not duplicating any exact specific prototype, the set designer would be under little incentive to copy any train interior verbatim.  Just get the general appearance, "suggest" the dimensions of a typical railcar and design the details to fit the story needs.

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Sunday, October 27, 2013 9:01 PM

I've seen both "Silver Streak"'s, The 1976 one with Gene Wilder and the 1934 one with Sally Blane and Charles Starrett and I have to say I prefer the 1934 one.

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Posted by wjstix on Monday, October 28, 2013 7:59 AM

The 1934 movie has Arthur Lake - best known as Dagwood in the "Blondie" radio show and movie series - as a supporting actor, the assistant to the chief engineer trying to get the diesel train accepted.

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Posted by gmpullman on Monday, October 28, 2013 8:31 AM

Here's a photo of CP's Kokanee Park in revenue service with the Silver Streak applique still showing.

http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=556681

Sure looks like the emblem hints at Amtrak's "Pointless Arrow!" It was a fun movie. As I recall the engineer's control stand alternated from right to left throughout the movie, plus dozens of other technical misgivingsWink

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Posted by ACY Tom on Monday, October 28, 2013 3:20 PM

All:

Who cares about Wilder, Pryor, or McGoohan, or even the bogus stage-set interiors?  I was looking at Jill Clayburg.

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Posted by GP-9_Man11786 on Monday, October 28, 2013 7:23 PM

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While it is true Amtrak did not want any part of the movie (mainly because of the crash scene)...they do appear in it.

If you look closely in the background when the dispatcher (Fred Willard) is talking to the cop about the Silver Streak being a runaway, you'll see a black Alco switcher pulling a few Amtrak baggage cars. This background shot was clearly taken in Chicago. The baggage cars were in phase I paint. So Amtrak does appear in Silver Streak. Wonder if they ever noticed it?

Silver Streak (1976) is my favorite movie. Fantastic actors and a somewhat interesting story loaded with action and trains makes this a winner. Gene Wilder and Richard Prior were fantastic in this movie. And Mr. Devereau (Patrick McGoohan) was perfect. I've contemplated a new cast for a modern day version of the movie, but just can't seem to find anyone up to McGoohan’s talent to fill the role. Recasting for Gene Wilder is also challenging as no one has his range of seriousness and comedic timing.

Silver Streak is one of my all time favorites too. The above post got me thinking about who I would cast I a a remake. Here goes:

George: Jeff Daniels, he's done both drama and comedy quite well.

Hilly: Emily Perkins

Devereau: Daniel Craig

Grover: Edie Murphy

Whiney: Matt Damon

Reece: Any suggestions?

Porter: Samuel L Jackson

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Posted by Southwest Chief on Thursday, October 31, 2013 1:20 AM

GP-9_Man11786

Silver Streak is one of my all time favorites too. The above post got me thinking about who I would cast I a a remake. Here goes:

George: Jeff Daniels, he's done both drama and comedy quite well.

Hilly: Emily Perkins

Devereau: Daniel Craig

Grover: Edie Murphy

Whiney: Matt Damon

Reece: Any suggestions?

Porter: Samuel L Jackson

Not bad.  Maybe too many "big" names to be economically feasible though.

These are some I've been thinking within a normal movie budget:

George: Will Ferrell

Grover: Will Smith

Bob Sweet: Tom Arnold

Devereau: Pierce Brosnan (interesting we both picked Bonds)

Porter: Was thinking of changing to a female role, but can't come up with the right actress.  Maybe Wanda Sykes?  Not the biggest Wanda fan though.

Hilly: Doesn't have to be a big name.  Any newcomer could fill the role.

Jerry Jarvis:  Fred Willard of course.  He still has the same job after all these years Big Smile

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Posted by Positive on Sunday, November 10, 2013 5:18 AM
Part of this was filmed by my childhood house in Calgary, by fish creek, watched them drive train forward and back it up over the same spot for several days.
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Posted by hdtvnut on Tuesday, November 12, 2013 4:10 PM

I find the story of the script of the first Silver Streak interesting, something I realized after reading Pioneer's history and seeing the film.

CBQ and UP were in an intense rivalry to get the first lightweight petroleum-power streamlined passenger train on the track.  They both wanted the Winton 201a diesel, which was unreliable at first and delayed CBQ for many months; UP chose to use a distillate engine instead and beat them into service.  But tho CBQ was second, they worked harder at publicity, doing stunts like the speed run from Denver to Chicago with all switches pinned and all crossings manned, and later, the Twins parallel run with many sets of twins.  The film was part of that publicity.

The 9900 was only a few months old when the movie was shot.  The liberties taken in the script changed the run to a roughly 2000 mile trip to save the son of the railroad's owner, as said.  The spy/killer who threatened the train by pulling breakers so he could escape arrest came from an actual incident during the speed run when a reporter leaving the cab slammed a door on a temporary cable. killing the engine.  While the Zephyr was drifting downgrade, the assistant engineer tried to reconnect the severed cable, but finally picked up the ends and pushed them together, yelling to re-start, and sustaining severe burns to his hands.

The irony is that UP was first, but lost its aluminum M10000 series as scrap in WWII, while the Zephyr, built with new stainless steel welding techniques, survived for years longer.

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Posted by wjstix on Tuesday, November 12, 2013 4:16 PM

I think the M-10000's problem was the distillate motors, not the body. Had they used diesel engines, it might have been economical to keep them longer. As it was, it made more sense to buy passenger diesels to replace them.

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Posted by hdtvnut on Tuesday, November 12, 2013 11:58 PM

There was also pressure from the government to turn in aluminum for aircraft production.

Hal

 

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