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QUOTE: Originally posted by Lord_Beelzebub
But i guess that's the difference between me and others. I take things with a grain of salt in life...

[(-D][(-D][(-D] Please, stop!!! You're killin' me...[(-D][(-D][(-D]

[Soo Line fan]

Having multiple IDs is a violation of this forum, but then you already know that.

[dwRavenstar]

When entering a battlefield related game a user name would be chosen to describe oneself in a fashion that would depict warrior status that would be earned by actions and attitudes through the activity of the game. If you live up to that battlefield moniker you earn respect and a following of those who need a strong force in their unit as they approach a threatening entity or enemy.

Sadly or not that same user name would possibly create the same mind set in a less confrontational setting and possibly incite confrontation where there normally is none as the expected connotation of the name in a battlefield setting would be somewhat universal in any setting.

When that (perhaps) expected mindset is aroused and you respond to a confrontational "welcome" with attacks you have done nothing but verify the initial perceptions of the folks you are approaching. Reconsider this whole mess with the exception that when confronted about the chosen user name the response was "hey, it's just a name and I really need help with my proposed pike" the outcome may well have been far different.

Personally I don't care what someone calls himself if he's displaying an honest interest in the hobby that this forum is all about. Names aside, like so many others, I feel that interest in railroad modelling is the general thread here and there's little room for attacks and responses that serve no other purpose than to incite anger or to provide a platform for personal slams against someone else's opinion that disagrees with my own.

Post a question as a request for assistence, accepting that the hoped for response will be insightful and helpful instead of publically assuming that the responders will be idiots and fools. Treat others as you'd like to be treated. Chances are they're seeing things in the same way.

BTW welcome to the forum.

dwRavenstar

[andrechapelon]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Grubby

You guys are so far off the mark it is truly laughable. You almost make me want to register a smurf so I can keep laughing at your expense. Maybe if you read and comprehended his post about online gaming, or knew anything about online gaming you wouldn't be so presumptuous... Lord_B is a registered user on BF2 and nicks like this are so common amongst younger players... my nick is also a variation of my gaming nick, I see way more offensive combinations of letters online everyday without wetting myself. There are other uses for computers besides moaning about someone's name on a train forum after all.

It is fine if you want to hold tightly to your ultra conservative religious views of the world, but to do so at the expense of a young forumer who quite innocently registers here to ask some questions about MRing, without the preconceived idea that his nick is "offensive" or "controversial" is somewhat hypocritical. You presume he did it to be controversial, you would be presuming wrong IMO, he clearly has no idea of what you are all talking about, to him LB is a line from a Queen song or some other pop culture reference.

The first thread made mention of all kinds of religious overtones to his name, whilst they may well be accurate in your small view of the world, there is another whole side of life that has no regard for your POV, doesn't understand it and therefore doesn't even comprehend the wider implications of such a user name. My religious beliefs are irrelevant to this discussion BTW, I know what the name is, but that is also irrelevant.

Maybe if you weren't ultra conservative Americans with the thinnest skin I have ever seen you would have been prepared to accept his explanantion and move on, but now you are implying he is a smurf of one of our more infamous forumers... get a life you old farts, comprehend something outside your own bifocal vision. Stop looking for a fight every time someone who doesn't live in the buckle of the bible belt drops by.

You must be very fit physically.

You certainly jump to a lot of conclusions.

I don't particularly care one way or another what Lord_Beelzebub's screen name is. However, this website is owned by Kalmbach Publishing and they get to set the rules whether you or I or anybody else likes it or not. It's their house and they get to decide what goes on inside it.

Get over it.

Andre

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by andrechapelon
...I don't particularly care one way or another what Lord_Beelzebub's screen name is. However, this website is owned by Kalmbach Publishing and they get to set the rules whether you or I or anybody else likes it or not. It's their house and they get to decide what goes on inside it.

Get over it.

Andre

Well said!

Personally, I don't care about the name in the least, and think it's overblown. I also think enough people ARE bothered by it that the courteous and commonsensical thing might have been to change it instead of trying to make it some matter of principle.

Treating the name as a non-issue, I think there's some big ???'s about his behavior here, specifically that he has chosen to pass up every olive branch offered and instead continue to spit insults and venom.

Having said that, I'm willing to drop it and just see how he does in his other thread/other threads he joins. But I think he's put himself in a "two strikes" position and ought to tread very lightly for a while.

[loathar]

Wow! This ones going nowhere. Oh well, I offered to help. Later LB...

[timthechef]

Choose a name you like, I don't care if it's the one you have. If someone doesn't want to help you because of it that's their problem and they should keep it to themselves.

Their have gotten to be so many sour grapes on this forum lately, people have to remember that if they don't like a poll, subject, or the person posting, just pass it by and don't read it.

[jfugate]

QUOTE: Originally posted by kchronister
... I'm willing to drop it and just see how he does in his other thread/other threads he joins. But I think he's put himself in a "two strikes" position and ought to tread very lightly for a while.

I agree. You have to pick your battles and trying to make keeping a forum name that bothers some people isn't worth the lack of respect and subtle antagonism it garners. If you truly believe forum name doesn't matter, then what's the problem with changing it out of courtesy to people who may be bothered by it, petty as their viewpoint might seem to you?

Time will tell ...

[grayfox1119]

When you choose a username, as mentioned earlier, you are making a statement about yourself whether you believe that or not, it is true. Look at my username for instance, I happen to love nature, I photograph the outdoor scenes quite often, and I love the wild animals. So I chose Grayfox because "I" am gray haired, and I like foxes in the wild ( besides, my wife thinks I'm "foxy " too )

Now you chose Beelzebub. (SP)...this is the name given to the devil in the bible. Personally, you don't offend "me", but you "are" offending yourself because many if not all of us forum members are wondering, "what would make a person want to idolize Satan? What kind of person "is" this?

As Joe pointed out, there are so many other names that you could choose, especially those that deal in someway with trains or railroading. Please don't idolize the prince of evil, that is degrading, immature and foolish on your part son.

[vsmith]

Hoy Vey!

This is ridiculous...when I first came to this forum many moons ago I was going to register as Beeblebrox as in Zaphod Beeblebrox, ex-confidence-trickster and part time Galactic President from my favorite novel -The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy, but I was concerned that some religiousy person wouldn't get the reference and get all doubled over in a panty-twist thinking aBeeblebrox was something else[}:)]....guess I wasn't too far off. [;)]

Oh Well, its just screen name to me. I've seen far more clever and far more stupider ones here and there, so I'm not going to get my knickers in a twist..

I will suggest to you Lord B a small compremise that will statisfy most while irritating the heck out of an even smaller group...

may I suggest Beelzebubba dark lord of the hillbillies[}:)][:I][:o)][:0][:p][:D]

[Tracklayer]

Another pile up... You guys just can't resist getting your punches in can you. Oh well. I just gained another reply point - which is all I really care about anymore.

Tracklayer

[1shado1]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Soo Line fan

Parker is already back; he is using the name Atlas Forumite too
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/member-profile.asp?id=287273 Maybe you saw his post about raising his layout the other day. It has been deleted. Is Lord B and the infamous Parker one in the same? Time will tell.

Jim

Not Parker. His English and spelling are better.

Jeff

[Grubby]

QUOTE: Originally posted by andrechapelon


You must be very fit physically.

You certainly jump to a lot of conclusions.

I don't particularly care one way or another what Lord_Beelzebub's screen name is. However, this website is owned by Kalmbach Publishing and they get to set the rules whether you or I or anybody else likes it or not. It's their house and they get to decide what goes on inside it.

Get over it.

Andre

Jumping to conclusions, I think not. I have been here for almost a year, I read nearly every thread daily. My statements are based on posts made over a period of time by numerous forumers, but primarily in the now deleted thread... I particularly broke up over the "Jesus is our leader who died for us" sentiment that assumes we all believe in basic Christian ethos. It may come as a shock to many of you, but we all dont live in the US, subscribe to your world position or even want your input politically, socially or religiously into our lives.

This is a model train forum, not a rahrah US+Christianity promotional tool. Keep it in your pants where it belongs.

Where has Kalmbach posted anything to do with religion/anti-religion or any other restriction on their forum user names? It is assumed, of course, that you cant post profanity. His name is, at best , ill-considered for this forum, but how can he know that without reading between the lines as you have expected him to do? You register and post your first post asking for some advice and the first ten reponses are inflammatory because of your perfectly acceptable elsewhere username?

My response was not a jumping to conclusion at all. If you had read the now deleted thread you would have found the fundamentalist crap that has no place in these forums. I dont give a toss whether you are a left-wing *** satanist or pastor of the local church, your religious beliefs/prejudices have not place here. This is trains and train related topics. If not you take your chances.

If not for the inflammatory reaction of several forumers to his first post, he wouldn't have had to respond in any manner. You guys are making many people very unwelcome on these forums with your confrontational style. I am more than happy to return serve, I love confrontation, but you guys seem to be thriving on it, making ahuge issue where there needed to be none and then whining when someone takes a contrary view to yours. The arrogance of the replies to new forumers has got to be a major issue, some people have taken an ownership of these forums that well exceeds the norm.


If you want to fight, flame and generally carry on over someone's user name, feel free, but expect them to return serve. It seems slightly arrogant to give them a hard time then assume that because you think you are right that you can then act indignantly when he responds.

This is not the first, nor will I expect it to be, the last time someone takes the high ground after starting the issue in the first place.

BTW LB, I play Age series games, and do so despite the fact that I also am building a layout. GL HF

QUOTE: As Joe pointed out, there are so many other names that you could choose, especially those that deal in someway with trains or railroading. Please don't idolize the prince of evil, that is degrading, immature and foolish on your part son.

How patronising is that statement. You are again assuming that he even believes in the existence of God, let alone Satan. Keep your own religious beliefs to yourself. It may well be what you believe, but how dare you presume that it is what he does and or should... and I am questioned about jumping to conclusions.. you are kidding right?

[grayfox1119]

Grubby, you are overheated buddy, calm down. Most of us know and believe that religeon and politics have no right being on this forum. That is written right in the forum by-laws, so lets put that one to bed right now. Do some people dis-obey this rule? Of course they do. But what we are talking about here is a proper username. Grubby, you yourself stated to keep this forum aimed at Model Railroading, did you not? If so, then what we are telling this young lad is "consider" other names.

[Anonymous]

What the heck. I used to buy chewing gum that was trademarked Devil Gum. Good stuff.. And my Red Devil putty kinves come in real handy. Halloween is a MAJOR marketing holiday in this country. LIGHTEN UP, FOLKS.

[andrechapelon]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Grubby

QUOTE: Originally posted by andrechapelon


You must be very fit physically.

You certainly jump to a lot of conclusions.

I don't particularly care one way or another what Lord_Beelzebub's screen name is. However, this website is owned by Kalmbach Publishing and they get to set the rules whether you or I or anybody else likes it or not. It's their house and they get to decide what goes on inside it.

Get over it.

Andre

Jumping to conclusions, I think not. I have been here for almost a year, I read nearly every thread daily. My statements are based on posts made over a period of time by numerous forumers, but primarily in the now deleted thread... I particularly broke up over the "Jesus is our leader who died for us" sentiment that assumes we all believe in basic Christian ethos. It may come as a shock to many of you, but we all dont live in the US, subscribe to your world position or even want your input politically, socially or religiously into our lives.

This is a model train forum, not a rahrah US+Christianity promotional tool. Keep it in your pants where it belongs.

Where has Kalmbach posted anything to do with religion/anti-religion or any other restriction on their forum user names? It is assumed, of course, that you cant post profanity. His name is, at best , ill-considered for this forum, but how can he know that without reading between the lines as you have expected him to do? You register and post your first post asking for some advice and the first ten reponses are inflammatory because of your perfectly acceptable elsewhere username?

My response was not a jumping to conclusion at all. If you had read the now deleted thread you would have found the fundamentalist crap that has no place in these forums. I dont give a toss whether you are a left-wing *** satanist or pastor of the local church, your religious beliefs/prejudices have not place here. This is trains and train related topics. If not you take your chances.

If not for the inflammatory reaction of several forumers to his first post, he wouldn't have had to respond in any manner. You guys are making many people very unwelcome on these forums with your confrontational style. I am more than happy to return serve, I love confrontation, but you guys seem to be thriving on it, making ahuge issue where there needed to be none and then whining when someone takes a contrary view to yours. The arrogance of the replies to new forumers has got to be a major issue, some people have taken an ownership of these forums that well exceeds the norm.


If you want to fight, flame and generally carry on over someone's user name, feel free, but expect them to return serve. It seems slightly arrogant to give them a hard time then assume that because you think you are right that you can then act indignantly when he responds.

This is not the first, nor will I expect it to be, the last time someone takes the high ground after starting the issue in the first place.

BTW LB, I play Age series games, and do so despite the fact that I also am building a layout. GL HF

QUOTE: As Joe pointed out, there are so many other names that you could choose, especially those that deal in someway with trains or railroading. Please don't idolize the prince of evil, that is degrading, immature and foolish on your part son.

How patronising is that statement. You are again assuming that he even believes in the existence of God, let alone Satan. Keep your own religious beliefs to yourself. It may well be what you believe, but how dare you presume that it is what he does and or should... and I am questioned about jumping to conclusions.. you are kidding right?

Why you ragging on me, Sparky?

I was merely pointing out that Kalmbach owns the website and can do with it as they see fit. I was also just responding to your other rant.

Like I said, I have no problem with Lord_Beelzebub's screen name and had I seen the original thread, I would have come down on those overreacting to it. OTOH, Kalmbach is the final arbiter of everything that appears here. It doesn't have to be spelled out explicitly.

Incidentally, you seem to be going a long way to blow this thing out of proportion if the length of your reply to my short post is any indication.

Andre

[ChessieFan13]

this is a waste of time . Who cares what name someone chooses. I mean really. Who Cares ..............Thought this was to talk trains not **** and moan about someones handle.............that is petty as !@#$. If we cant all rejoice in the fact that there is a place to talk about our hobby then what in the hell are we doing here???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

J.W...........................................Pirate For Life.[oX)][oX)][oX)]

[AggroJones]

As long as he doesn't say "Hail Satan!", I guess he's fine.

[tstage]

Why is it that those who tout themselves as "broad-minded" and "tolerant" in their views always seem to rant and rave and be so "narrow-minded" and "intolerant" of those who hold opposing views to them?

[twcenterprises]

Welll.....

I gotta weigh in a little here. Does anyone find MY username offensive? I am religious, but LB's username doesn't offend me. Nobody's username here offends me. Is a name really a reflection on ones personality? Not always, I say. If my username offended anyone, would I change it? Only if requested (along with a logical explanation) from the moderators. Otherwise, no, I would not. Where did I come up with my username? Well, that's also my Yahoo! username, and my eBay username, so I simply carried it over. Makes it simpler when all my accounts have the same username, you see. I suspect LB did the same thing. Same username on all accounts is easier to remember.

So, anyway LB, Welcome to the forum, and sorry for all the flak you got over your name. I can't really blame you for being at least somewhat upset about what happened on that first thread, but I suggest you chalk that one up to "learning experience", grab a cold one, chill out, and get back to talking about trains.

Brad

[sundayniagara]

His name is ok with me.
Mark

[dwRavenstar]

"Halla is Dog" - Dyslexic Terrorists' Guide to the Bus Stop

[selector]

This forum has a history, and part of its history is the establishment of its culture. Were it not for the fixed entity that established the ground rules that set the cultural development in motion, this place could easily descend into the circuses from where many of our denizens have fled.

So, the preponderance of members who contribute regularly...this is important... who contribute regularly, have become the defacto monitors and gatekeepers in the absence of other input. Occasionally when we stray, the Great Bergermeister in the Sky puts his large thumb down, and we get back in line.

So, when persons heretofore unheard, or who are relatively new, behave in a way that suggests the rest of us regulars have it all wrong, would it take so much intelligence to assume that a few of us might take offence?

Long sentence follows:

Once again, if a person uses any handle that invites speculation about its intended purpose, and that person tells us that we don't know what we're talking about when we intimate that it is questionable, if not downright offensive and inflammatory, in the "culture" so painstaking cultivated in a systemic way between the moderator and the "regulars" (who's voices are the only ones that get weighed on a daily basis, and which, of necessity, are the only ones that can be used to set the tone), is it really so outrageous for those regulars to voice their dismay?

It appears that some think so.

[Grubby]

QUOTE: Originally posted by andrechapelon

Why you ragging on me, Sparky?

I was merely pointing out that Kalmbach owns the website and can do with it as they see fit. I was also just responding to your other rant.

Like I said, I have no problem with Lord_Beelzebub's screen name and had I seen the original thread, I would have come down on those overreacting to it. OTOH, Kalmbach is the final arbiter of everything that appears here. It doesn't have to be spelled out explicitly.

Incidentally, you seem to be going a long way to blow this thing out of proportion if the length of your reply to my short post is any indication.

Andre

You make a condescending remark about jumping to conclusions and once again in your arrogance you expect no response. Thanks for the "sparky" comment too... what does that mean where you come from? I presume it is another attempt to be clever by another older member who thinks he is better than me because he is closer to retirement than me. Nice try, wont wear it.

I didn't blow anything out of proportion, I merely responded to the patronising and childish nonsense that was started when fools like SLF started infering LB was a smurf of Al and I use the word fool in its most inclusive sense. The self appointed forum detective couldn't track an elephant through snow let alone have any idea about the identity of LB. I notice that he is still trying to flog that dead horse.

QUOTE: Grubby, you are overheated buddy, calm down.

Far from being overheated, I am merely passionate. I dont give a toss whether you like LB's name or not. If you cant see the arrogance and ignorance displayed on these forums almost daily and especially in this case, maybe you aren't as special as you would have yourself believe. I still can't believe that you would be so arrogant to even suggest he changes his name... surely that is a matter for himself, he doesn't want to (as indicated in another post) and your "suggestion" is clearly unwelcome and patronising.

It would be a sad day when a 33 year old man couldn't make a decision on his forum name all by himself with the Peanut Gallery having to pass it first by popular vote. As for your version of "religion" and the forums, many people seem to be exhibiting a base line religious value that is in conflict with the no religion concept. If religion has no part then how can you be offended by something as simple as a user name? I should realistically be able to be a gay activist with tattoos of 666 on my forehead and user name to match and as long as I talk about trains it should be fine and within the rules.

[andrechapelon]

You make a condescending remark about jumping to conclusions and once again in your arrogance you expect no response. Thanks for the "sparky" comment too... what does that mean where you come from? I presume it is another attempt to be clever by another older member who thinks he is better than me because he is closer to retirement than me. Nice try, wont wear it.

Nope. Not closer to retirement than you are. Retired.[:D][:D][:D][:D]

Andre

[FRITSCHSR]

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't a Lord more like a king or something of that
nature and not religious at all.

[Grubby]

It isn't the Lord part they are worried about [:D]

[edkowal]

Did you guys generate this so you'd know what a waste of bandwidth looked like?

Just wondering.

-Ed

[SpaceMouse]

QUOTE: Originally posted by edkowal

Did you guys generate this so you'd know what a waste of bandwidth looked like?

Just wondering.

-Ed

I dunno, at least their not throwing images at each other.

[JohnT14808]

It has taken me all of my free time this evening to read through this one thread. I can not believe this thread has gone on for five pages. I think the word train was mentioned only six or seven times in all those posts. Joe F, thanks for trying.

I'll use Lord_B when addressing our newest forum member, mainly cause I'm lazy and like to abbreviate when I can. I don't think I could consistantly spell Beelzebub and I hate mispellings in posts. Anyway....Ask away Lord_B! I missed your first post but welcome you to the forum. I understand you were asking about DCC and perhaps my limited experience can help, perhaps not. {Pssst....this forum is a treasure trove of information and helpful modelers. But watch out, some folks get really peeved over the slightest thing, as you have found out. Human nature, I guess. I learned to ignore most of that and post my responses to threads in as pleasing a manner as possible. The only flaming I like to see is in the videos of 4-4-0 fireboxes getting stoked. Welcome to the forum!!}