I laughed so hard I fell off my chair

[Curmudgeon]

August 05 MR.
One of the articles mentions a guy who is going to model EBT in 0n2-1/2.
Right.
So, this is to make folks feel better than 0n30?
Is this some new invention at MR?
Check the nmra spec pages.
There isn't an 0n2-1/2 I can find.

Let's see.
Two and a half feet is.......thirty inches!

[orsonroy]

MR measues narrow gauge in increments of feet, so On30 (to them) is actually On2-1/2, just like three foot gauge is On3. Unfortunately, the scale nomenclature is actually a NAME, not a unit of measure, and everyone else on the planet calls O scale on HO tracks On30. MR is actually the curmudgeon!

(and frankly, if Bachmann ever comes out with an EBT 2-8-2, I'll be modeling it On30 too!)

[Anonymous]

On21/2 is what everybody used to call On30. I know. It's stupid, but that's how it used to be.

[Curmudgeon]

I know, having read MR back a long ways, but I haven't bought any since 75 or 76, and only read them when someone gives me some.
It's always amazing what they do.

Like calling it HO when it's really H0.

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[andrechapelon]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Curmudgeon

I know, having read MR back a long ways, but I haven't bought any since 75 or 76, and only read them when someone gives me some.
It's always amazing what they do.

Like calling it HO when it's really H0.

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Curmudgeon's still miffed over the fact that radios and heaters, which were once optional equipment on automobiles (way back when he and I were both young) are now standard equipment.

Along with electric starters. [(-D]

Andre

[tatans]

H zero, can this be true, all these years I've been using the wrong vernacular??? actually it sounds better.

[Curmudgeon]

tatns.
Yes. half zero.
Want a link?

Electric starters were a problem.
Doing away with vacuum tube radios and vauum operated wipers was the last straw.

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[1shado1]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Curmudgeon

tatns.
Yes. half zero.
Want a link?

Electric starters were a problem.
Doing away with vacuum tube radios and vauum operated wipers was the last straw.

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Look on the bright side. We still have VACUUM CLEANERS![:D]
And they REALLY suck!

Jeff

[modelmaker51]

I still like my horse and buggy, you just feed it some oats and it goes. What's a vacume tube?

[Curmudgeon]

For sound amplification, the only way to go......

The Brits call the "valves".

[selector]

And kerosene lights with silk mantles in them. Like, what's with these furnaggled halogen bulb thingies? And "spark plugs"? Whatever happened to the fool-proof magneto? I hear they're even planning to digitize ignition systems in cars!! Sheeesh!

[dgwinup]

That's NOTHING!

Have you seen one of those crazy new boxes? The ones with glass on the front? Just push a button and BINGO!, you get to see little people running around and doing things, RIGHT BEHIND THE GLASS! Pu***he button again and there's a whole DIFFERENT group of people doing stuff! It's absolutely the most AMAZING thing I've ever seen!

Maybe one of these days I'll get one of those things. Wonder what you feed all those little people?

Darrell, quiet...for now

[selector]

Yeah, and how do they get the rooms to move around like that....and the ground, too?!!!

[Anonymous]

tartans, isn't it Half O, since it is exactly 1/2 of O gauge? not half zero......... [#offtopic][#offtopic][#offtopic][#dots]
[#dots][#dots][#dots][#wstupid]
Selector, those little people have a very special food that comes in plastic coated metal wires, called electors!
my turn to go crazy, opps I[#oops] already AM!!!!!!!

[Anonymous]

Ah, Vacuum wipers, nothing like pulling out to pass a semi in the rain.....blind. What is all this vacuum cleaner stuff, some brit is claiming they all loose suction... thus no "vacuum".
Will

[fec153]

Hey! I used to sell vacuum wipers and Hadees heaters. 9926 was a dual action fuel pump for Chrysler 6 cyl. flatheads with vacuum wipers. 588 was the single action f.p. when they ran the vacuum right off the manifold.
Flip

[CNJ831]

QUOTE: Originally posted by dannydd

tartans, isn't it Half O, since it is exactly 1/2 of O gauge? not half zero.........

In point of fact, it is half zero. "O" is a corruption of the original modeling scale terminology. Originally, the European manufacturers classified their toy train "models" into numerical track size classes...0 (zero),#1, #2, #3. It appears to have been American toy train manufacturers that altered 0 (zero) to O (Oh) in their advertising early in the last century. Anyway, it stuck and from at least the 1930's it's been referred to as O (Oh), which was then a gauge not a scale (and a usage that can create yet another set of arguments!). One can also get embroiled in the debate as to what is true O (Oh) scale. Any way, the original terminology was properly HO is half zero gauge (or gage as it was often termed in really old MRs!).

CNJ831

[andrechapelon]

QUOTE: Originally posted by dannydd

tartans, isn't it Half O, since it is exactly 1/2 of O gauge? not half zero......... [#offtopic][#offtopic][#offtopic][#dots]
[#dots][#dots][#dots][#wstupid]
Selector, those little people have a very special food that comes in plastic coated metal wires, called electors!
my turn to go crazy, opps I[#oops] already AM!!!!!!!

Technically it's zero (0) gauge as the gauges were originally 0, 1, 2.

We just say Oh instead of zero (as in one oh five).

Andre - pedant to the stars, the movers and shakers and the cognoscenti [:D]

[Curmudgeon]

You want more?

The "S" guys were smart enough to figure they'd been had, as originally is was "H1", or half of 1 gauge.
The nmra and Kalmbach "convinced" the really smart one it was "eigch oh" and not "half zero", and they swallowed it.

Those of us in bigger scales have laughed about it for as long as I can remember, and that's well over half a century.

Half Zero.

hahahehehe.

[Curmudgeon]

1935
With the "halving" of 0 Scale to H0 (half of zero), Märklin expands the world of model railroading: The compact dimensions allow complete layouts as table top railroads. In addition, the three-rail track system makes for trouble-free setup and reliable operation.

http://www.marklin.com/about/timeline.html

[KenMattern]

QUOTE: Originally posted by modelmaker51

I still like my horse and buggy, you just feed it some oats and it goes. What's a vacume tube?

What goes? The horse or the buggy? And what kind of buggy is it, a piano box, a spring wagon or a surrey?

www.buggymuseum.org

Forgive me, I used to work for the Mifflinburg Buggy Museum in Mifflinburg PA. That town, at one time, made more buggys, per capata, than any other town in the USA. Do you know that there were companies that actually rented steam to buggy makers for bending wood?

If you want to see something really neat, find your way to Mifflinburg. Unfortunately they don't have a steam engine at the museum. But the old New Holland hit or miss gasoline engine that still runs after over one hundred years.

KJ

[dknelson]

Well nobody calls it On36 do they? or On24?
Dave Nelson

[Curmudgeon]

Like I said, check the nmra site and find me 0n2-1/2.

[DavidGSmith]

I just parked my club and got one of those newfangled spear thingys. HO or H0 who cares its still the same scale guage or what ever. Everybody knows what you are talking about. On30 is what one can find equipment in.

[waltersrails]

I don't get it. [#dots]

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by modelmaker51
I still like my horse and buggy, you just feed it some oats and it goes.

Of course it "goes" - but who has to clean up after it?[:o)]

[edkowal]

Both On30 and HOn30, as well as On2 1/2 and HOn 2 1/2 are understood in context to mean the same gauge in scale. As mentioned, the different designations are historical in nature, one arose before the other. Whereas On 2 1/2 would be consistent with the other designators for narrow gauges of different spacing, it just isn't used as much as it used to be.

It's not necessary to be totally logical, as long as the meaning is understood by the community. I forget which designation is used in the NMRA standards.

-Ed

P.S. Ken Mattern, I enjoyed the website for the Mifflinburg Buggy Museum. It seems to be worth a trip. And since it's relatively close to the East Broad Top RR, both places can be combined in the same trip. Fairly close to Buffalo NY, as these things go.