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Posted by elogger on Thursday, July 23, 2009 6:13 PM

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 Wheels...

Again, you list all of the things you think are wrong or could be done better on this model without explaining HOW. We don't need a novel length explanation, but gee how about a few tips or hints on the processes involved. Like I mentioned using a specific brand of paint and HOW I used it. The posters here shouldn't have to join MTW just to gain a few tips or hints on the exact methodology of weathering.

 

 

no, they don't have to but there are many more people over there than can critique and offer tips than just jerry and until a couple days ago, myself... 

 

as far as your wheels, they don't look too bad but i think they would either be clean on the edges or dirty, not in between... the trucks have decent coloration but they look like the paint or whatever is a little caked on...  if i had to guess i'd take a stab and say that you used powder over some wet paint maybe... the highlights are nice...

 as far as the car, are those supposed to be streaks or spots coming from your stake pockets? i can't tell... they seem to be a mixture of both... the coloration of the car itself is okay... i guess it could have been faded a bit but people tend to go overboard and go way to heavy on fading sometimes and the car ends up looking like it just came from a freezer but the look you have there is believable... 

 

 

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Posted by ProtoWeathering on Thursday, July 23, 2009 6:16 PM

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 am i supposed to critique yours now too jerry? lol

 

 

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Darn straight! Lemme have it.

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Posted by Driline on Thursday, July 23, 2009 6:19 PM

 The wheels were weathered with "Sophisticated Finishes" using their rust solution purchased from Michaels Craft Stores.

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Posted by elogger on Thursday, July 23, 2009 6:25 PM

 

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 Rubbing the deck with whatever it is you used still doesn't keep it from screaming "Gray Plastic!" The deck could have been removed and manipulated a bit to show a lack of uniformity. The molded edges really stick out in the first photo.Wooden decks can be made to look like wood, I think the technique can be found in MR. These wooden decks were bolted down to the cast frames on these cars. The bolt heads should be darkened to show that they aren't just plastic pimples. The exposed cast deck on the ends of the top should also show some wear or discoloration. A replacement wood deck is available for this car, but it takes more than real wood to make it look good and that would be another lesson. H Minkie (sp?) had an on-line series of how to make plastic look like wood, but I don't have the reference at the moment.

You dare me to find fault and then you point out the second most obvious thing that you missed, no fade or color tone variance at all on the part of the side we can see. The patch of 'rust' you show really has no reason to be there. The side pockets don't look too bad. If you would have used the same care on the rest of the car it might be much better looking.

The couplers probably need to be painted, but with the minimal amount of pictures, this is about all I can see.

I can't see the trucks or wheels either, maybe more pictures are in order?

All this is really subjective. What works for some won't work for others.

I'm not taking you to task for calling me a hack either, opinions are like elbows, most everybody has at least one.

I haven't done a flat car in a while, but here's part of a gon I recently finished for a customer.

  

 

 

ok jerry, your turn... 

 

im assuming you took this pic before you finished the trucks and wheels because they just look spray painted... the top ledge of the gon looks nice... it looks like real metal... i assume that was the look you were going for when you applied the white up the side of the car from the bottom... either that or just to add a little highlight... i think you stopped too soon there and probably could have added more color like you did on the top edge to get a little better effect there...  if you were going for a faded look you could have added a little raw umber or maybe a darker gray color instead of white... inside, the rust looks nice though i'm not a fan of the hugely bubbled rust spots like in the corner... in a gon, i can't imagine that that rust would be left there to bubble and boil like that... it would probably be knocked off by something being loaded in or taken out... it's nice rust, i just think it's out of place...

 

 

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Posted by Driline on Thursday, July 23, 2009 6:36 PM

Neutrino

 Rubbing the deck with whatever it is you used still doesn't keep it from screaming "Gray Plastic!" The deck could have been removed and manipulated a bit to show a lack of uniformity. The molded edges really stick out in the first photo.Wooden decks can be made to look like wood, I think the technique can be found in MR. These wooden decks were bolted down to the cast frames on these cars. The bolt heads should be darkened to show that they aren't just plastic pimples. The exposed cast deck on the ends of the top should also show some wear or discoloration. A replacement wood deck is available for this car, but it takes more than real wood to make it look good and that would be another lesson. H Minkie (sp?) had an on-line series of how to make plastic look like wood, but I don't have the reference at the moment.

You dare me to find fault and then you point out the second most obvious thing that you missed, no fade or color tone variance at all on the part of the side we can see. The patch of 'rust' you show really has no reason to be there. The side pockets don't look too bad. If you would have used the same care on the rest of the car it might be much better looking.

The couplers probably need to be painted, but with the minimal amount of pictures, this is about all I can see.

I can't see the trucks or wheels either, maybe more pictures are in order?

All this is really subjective. What works for some won't work for others.

I'm not taking you to task for calling me a hack either, opinions are like elbows, most everybody has at least one.

I haven't done a flat car in a while, but here's part of a gon I recently finished for a customer.

  

 

While on a whole the model is quite believable, IMHO I think the trucks are much too bland. It looks like you used a single medium without the proper color variation or noticeable highlights. The interior of the Gondola while striking looks a bit too much , but if you're going for that "acne" stippled look its spot on. But I digress. I would prefer Aggrojones  to give you a proper critique. As the previous poster eluded to, its better to learn from master modelers then us mere mortals.

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Posted by Driline on Thursday, July 23, 2009 6:38 PM

elogger

ok jerry, your turn... 

 

im assuming you took this pic before you finished the trucks and wheels because they just look spray painted... the top ledge of the gon looks nice... it looks like real metal... i assume that was the look you were going for when you applied the white up the side of the car from the bottom... either that or just to add a little highlight... i think you stopped too soon there and probably could have added more color like you did on the top edge to get a little better effect there...  if you were going for a faded look you could have added a little raw umber or maybe a darker gray color instead of white... inside, the rust looks nice though i'm not a fan of the hugely bubbled rust spots like in the corner... in a gon, i can't imagine that that rust would be left there to bubble and boil like that... it would probably be knocked off by something being loaded in or taken out... it's nice rust, i just think it's out of place...

 

Now thats scary. I didn't read your critique before I posted mine. They are eerily similar don't you think? And I'm just a know nothing grunt Smile

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Posted by elogger on Thursday, July 23, 2009 6:39 PM

 wow... aggro is a master?

 

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Posted by Driline on Thursday, July 23, 2009 6:40 PM

elogger

 wow... aggro is a master?

 

jeremy

 

Yes...And?

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Posted by elogger on Thursday, July 23, 2009 6:42 PM

Driline

elogger

ok jerry, your turn... 

 

im assuming you took this pic before you finished the trucks and wheels because they just look spray painted... the top ledge of the gon looks nice... it looks like real metal... i assume that was the look you were going for when you applied the white up the side of the car from the bottom... either that or just to add a little highlight... i think you stopped too soon there and probably could have added more color like you did on the top edge to get a little better effect there...  if you were going for a faded look you could have added a little raw umber or maybe a darker gray color instead of white... inside, the rust looks nice though i'm not a fan of the hugely bubbled rust spots like in the corner... in a gon, i can't imagine that that rust would be left there to bubble and boil like that... it would probably be knocked off by something being loaded in or taken out... it's nice rust, i just think it's out of place...

 

Now thats scary. I didn't read your critique before I posted mine. They are eerily similar don't you think? And I'm just a know nothing grunt Smile

 

 

they are... you should come on over to MTW... 

 

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Posted by elogger on Thursday, July 23, 2009 6:43 PM

Driline

elogger

 wow... aggro is a master?

 

jeremy

 

Yes...And?

 

 

i respectfully and strenuously disagree... 

 

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Posted by DingySP on Thursday, July 23, 2009 7:06 PM

This is all very inspiring. But hey, where is that kid with the fish now? Huh?

Thought so...

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Posted by ProtoWeathering on Thursday, July 23, 2009 7:50 PM

 Fish?

Anyway, you're both right about the trucks and they were toned a bit after these shots, but I couldn't find the pictures to post. The rust inside the gon is Sophisticated finishes and we know how that can be overdone. As for the colors on the car, black can be overdone too so I stopped until my customer was happy. If I were doing it for myself I probably still wouldn't be done with it yet.

Here's the full car with load.

More trucks:

 

Another gon.

Any more pictures and I'd take up more bandwidth than "you know who".

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Posted by elogger on Thursday, July 23, 2009 8:41 PM

now that pic of the gon makes the white seem to flow...

 

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Posted by AggroJones on Thursday, July 23, 2009 10:36 PM

elogger

Driline

elogger

 wow... aggro is a master?

 

jeremy

 

Yes...And?

 

 

i respectfully and strenuously disagree... 

 

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Posted by blownout cylinder on Thursday, July 23, 2009 10:51 PM

AggroJones

elogger

Driline

elogger

 wow... aggro is a master?

 

jeremy

 

Yes...And?

 

 

i respectfully and strenuously disagree... 

 

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Posted by AggroJones on Thursday, July 23, 2009 10:54 PM

 

 

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Posted by elogger on Thursday, July 23, 2009 11:11 PM

AggroJones

elogger

Driline

elogger

 wow... aggro is a master?

 

jeremy

 

Yes...And?

 

 

i respectfully and strenuously disagree... 

 

jeremy

 
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nope, you do what you do well... though you tend to do that over and over and over and over... though you supposedly abhor assembly line weathering, apparently that is not when speaking of yourself... Banged Head

 and i think it's interesting that you choose this forum instead of MTW to all of a sudden become much more loquacious... i guess it's easy to be thought so highly of when the bar is set so low and hence you don't hesitate to speak your mind....

very interesting indeed... 

and just remember, i only said i disagreed with your BFF... nothing else... im sure you're sitting there awaiting the 'atta boys' that you're so accustomed to hearing in here...

 

ZzzZzzZzz 

 

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Posted by AggroJones on Thursday, July 23, 2009 11:14 PM

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Posted by TMarsh on Thursday, July 23, 2009 11:25 PM

elogger
 and i think it's interesting that you choose this forum instead of MTW to all of a sudden become much more loquacious... i guess it's easy to be thought so highly of when the bar is set so low and hence you don't hesitate to speak your mind....

??????? Could so many be so wrongShock? Oh my, I watch this forum all the time and marvel at the weathering done here and hope to improve my ranking from that of blind 3rd grader. So are you saying what I think you are saying? If you are, you have successfully insulted everyone on this forum in one fell swoop. Congratulations. Or is that the constructive criticism of which you speak.

 

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Posted by elogger on Thursday, July 23, 2009 11:32 PM

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elogger
 and i think it's interesting that you choose this forum instead of MTW to all of a sudden become much more loquacious... i guess it's easy to be thought so highly of when the bar is set so low and hence you don't hesitate to speak your mind....

??????? Could so many be so wrongShock? Oh my, I watch this forum all the time and marvel at the weathering done here and hope to improve my ranking from that of blind 3rd grader. So are you saying what I think you are saying? If you are, you have successfully insulted everyone on this forum in one fell swoop. Congratulations. Or is that the constructive criticism of which you speak.

 

 

 

to put it in context, if mr. aggro is known here as a master, then yeah, i guess i just insulted everyone here... and i guess having an opinion unto myself here is not allowed? 

 

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Posted by selector on Thursday, July 23, 2009 11:42 PM

I don't like the tone I see developing here.  Please put a rest to it. 

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Posted by TMarsh on Thursday, July 23, 2009 11:55 PM

As far as I know, everyone is allowed thier opinion. It is how you choose to express it that ....

Sorry. You're right Crandell.

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Posted by elogger on Friday, July 24, 2009 12:19 AM

 

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Posted by AggroJones on Friday, July 24, 2009 1:15 AM

No prob crandell. No pleasing certain people. But who cares anyway? Downing me doesn't effect my actual modeling. No matter how its stated. Big Smile

 

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Posted by myowngod on Friday, July 24, 2009 3:52 AM

I have always love the weathering pix posted here, from everyone.  Occasionally in my email I got a notice someone put up something new. I popped on, checked it out, smiled and moved on.  Unfortunately in the last day I have recieved over 60 notices, most of them condescending towards others.Sad  I have chosen to unsubscribe from this great thread.  I am sad about this, but I cannot have my email flooded with all the notices.  I will occasionally pop in to check out anything new.

To those who have posted all the pix... thank you.

To those who have ruined a good thing...(left blank)

 

PS the title of the thread is "show your weathered models!!!"  Let's keep it that way.

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Posted by Driline on Friday, July 24, 2009 6:54 AM

 They laughed at Rembrandt too. But there can only be one. And his name.....Aggrojones

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Posted by blownout cylinder on Friday, July 24, 2009 7:08 AM

I'm learning a lot from you guys on this thread. One thing I just learned---little brush strokes---little brush strokes.

 Aggro: your rust spots are neat!! I'm starting to see why these pieces of rolling stock take so long to build up-----

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Friday, July 24, 2009 10:25 AM

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 My first attempt at weathering a caboose ended up in a total loss of the car - Sigh

This is my second attempt - not yet completely finished, but, IMHO, already presentable:

 

  

 That looks pretty good to me. I'm not a master at weathering and don't claim to be. I just do what looks good to me. I'm not out to impress the masters and the self-appointed 'experts'. Here's the RBOX I did using just a few very simple techniques.

 

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Posted by ProtoWeathering on Friday, July 24, 2009 10:35 AM

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No prob crandell. No pleasing certain people. But who cares anyway? Downing me doesn't effect my actual modeling. No matter how its stated. Big Smile

 

 

 

I'll second that.

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