Originally posted by On30Shay He can run what he want's on his stuff. If he gets a wild hair and wants to motorize a bunch of turds and run them, he can do that, too. I wonder what couplers that would take?? Kadee #2's?? Cambridge Springs- Halfway from New York to Chicago on the Erie Lackawanna! Reply grandeman Member sinceApril 2005 1,054 posts Posted by grandeman on Monday, September 12, 2005 1:29 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by tommyr If they do the sound would probably be crappy[xx(] Most likely. We won't get into naming the proposed downloadable wav files of various prototypes. [;)] Gee, this thread really went down the toilet. Reply tommyr Member sinceMay 2002 From: Oliver B.C. Wine Capitol of Canada 415 posts Posted by tommyr on Monday, September 12, 2005 1:15 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by grande man QUOTE: Originally posted by On30Shay If he gets a wild hair and wants to motorize a bunch of turds and run them, he can do that, too. I wonder if Digitrax will do a sound decoder...[:D] If they do the sound would probably be crappy[xx(] Tom Tom Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, September 12, 2005 1:11 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by davekelly Have I hit all the hot threads yet? NO, you left out that because of the spectacular Garden Railroad shots by Marty, we are all now second guessing our investments. I would think UB will see the brute force of SD45's moving ton's/ounces of snow and start buying up all the Hustle Muscle he can find. Reply Edit grandeman Member sinceApril 2005 1,054 posts Posted by grandeman on Monday, September 12, 2005 1:08 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by On30Shay If he gets a wild hair and wants to motorize a bunch of turds and run them, he can do that, too. I wonder if Digitrax will do a sound decoder...[:D] Reply davekelly Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Rhode Island 2,216 posts Posted by davekelly on Monday, September 12, 2005 1:07 PM Hmmmm. Maybe GE bought a controlling interest in the Utah Belt and strong armed management into the purchase thus putting the financial interests of corporations ahead of the railfan. Or maybe they would have purchased new EMD units but those darn dishonest lawyers threatened to sue. Or perhaps the Utah Belt is protesting Walther's purchase of Life-Like and the impending collapse of the model railroad hobby and of course the related reason that Bachmann is junk. Oh I know. The Utah Belt did purchase EMD units, but Eric used Photoshop to make us think they are GE units. Have I hit all the hot threads yet? [:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D] In any event - Eric Brooman continues to do a fine job with his layout. If you ain't having fun, you're not doing it right and if you are having fun, don't let anyone tell you you're doing it wrong. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, September 12, 2005 1:06 PM He can run what he want's on his stuff. If he gets a wild hair and wants to motorize a bunch of turds and run them, he can do that, too. QUOTE: Originally posted by trainboyH16-44 I have always admired Eric Brooman's Utah Belt railway, with it's all EMD stronghold. But now he's bought GE AC4400CWs, and I consider him a bit of a sell-out. Granted, it's his free-lance railroad, and he can do what he wants with it, but what do you guys think about it? trainboy Again-No offence to Eric Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, September 12, 2005 1:05 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by bwilcox Good grief. This is a hobby. Some of you folks are taking this wayyyyyy too seriously. Isn't that what Eric is doing? Taking his engine power requirements as a company, that to me is more serious then a bunch of us guys/girls half heartedly raking him over the coals. Many of what I see posted is more a poke in fun then a serious demand. Let's have fun, joke and stop derailments and dead frog power loss. Reply Edit AntonioFP45 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Good ol' USA 9,642 posts Posted by AntonioFP45 on Monday, September 12, 2005 1:03 PM BWilcox, Agreed. It is a hobby, but these types of threads can be fun because so many different viewpoints can be expressed and debated without anyone being totally right or wrong. "I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!" Reply rrinker Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Reading, PA 30,002 posts Posted by rrinker on Monday, September 12, 2005 12:59 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by grande man I like them all and don't understand the GE hatred. Would someone please explain it to me. Because we REALLY like ALCOs, and GE hosed them by getting intot he business themselves. Alco used GE electrical components. And GE's prime mover isn't just a little bit similar to later Alcos. Actually I think the 70ACe is pretty darn ugly. All that exposed piping and wiring might make for easy servicing, which is certainly a critical selling point, but it does nothing for the looks. On the other hand, railroads seem to be reluctant to invest in new things - which makes me wonder why they are going for the new GEs, that's a totally different new prime mover in there to meet the new EPA requirements, whereas EMD managed to accomplish it using what is basically the same diesel engne as previous models. Or maybe that's why I see GE ads on all the news channels - maybe they AREN'T selling as well as previous GE models, for that same reason. I just avoid the problem - I model the 50's [:D][:D][:D] --Randy Modeling the Reading Railroad in the 1950's Visit my web site at www.readingeastpenn.com for construction updates, DCC Info, and more. Reply BRAKIE Member sinceOctober 2001 From: OH 17,574 posts Posted by BRAKIE on Monday, September 12, 2005 12:50 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by trainboyH16-44 I guess that you are all right. I apologise for criticizing. I am just very ani-GE. I think that the AC4400 and Dash 8 and 9 are some of the ugliest locomotives around. my freelance railroad is still all EMD, with another 100 SD70ACe on order (With modofied cabs to make 'em less ugly) Trainboy Well you can rest assured that the C&HV will remain a EMD strong hold as will the other short lines/terminal roads owned and operated by CDB Industries..The reasoning is simple..The upper management was not impress with the GE test results.[:D] Larry Conductor. Summerset Ry. "Stay Alert, Don't get hurt Safety First!" Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, September 12, 2005 12:48 PM He should have gone GE years ago, as the real railroads did. Reply Edit GRAMRR Member sinceApril 2001 From: Northeast Ohio Snow Belt, USA 247 posts Posted by GRAMRR on Monday, September 12, 2005 12:20 PM The Utah Belt is modeled as a living, breathing real railroad as are many of the model railroads that we greatly admire. As time marches on, motive power is upgraded, railroad structures get torn down and new ones built, rolling stock evolves into new designs, just as the real world. I love it!! My railroad will probably always be stuck in the time warp of the 1950's but I was a train loving teenager then and have fond memories of the time. But - I do love the model railroads that change with the times. Chuck Grand River & Monongah Railroad and subsidiary Monongah Railway Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, September 12, 2005 12:09 PM Good grief. This is a hobby. Some of you folks are taking this wayyyyyy too seriously. Reply Edit davekelly Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Rhode Island 2,216 posts Posted by davekelly on Monday, September 12, 2005 12:06 PM I really am impressed by Eric Brooman. He has carefully thought out the equipment on his railroad and when I read about it it is like I'm reading about a real life entity. I do wish however, he could come up with a way to justify replacing his locomotives with rebuilt Alco's. Now that would be cool!! If you ain't having fun, you're not doing it right and if you are having fun, don't let anyone tell you you're doing it wrong. Reply grandeman Member sinceApril 2005 1,054 posts Posted by grandeman on Monday, September 12, 2005 12:05 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by trainboyH16-44 Maybe we are all so used to EMD, and GE is intruding? Or maybe we think of GE as replacing our favorite locomotives? (Dash8-40CMs replaced M630s on BC Rail) I don't like the sound, compared to EMD. trainboy Sounds like a Ford vs Chevy thing... Well, we all have our favs. Nothing wrong with that. Reply trainboyH16-44 Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Mile 7.5 Laggan Sub., Great White North 4,201 posts Posted by trainboyH16-44 on Monday, September 12, 2005 11:58 AM Maybe we are all so used to EMD, and GE is intruding? Or maybe we think of GE as replacing our favorite locomotives? (Dash8-40CMs replaced M630s on BC Rail) I don't like the sound, compared to EMD. trainboy Go here for my rail shots! http://www.railpictures.net/showphotos.php?userid=9296 Building the CPR Kootenay division in N scale, blog here: http://kootenaymodelrailway.wordpress.com/ Reply grandeman Member sinceApril 2005 1,054 posts Posted by grandeman on Monday, September 12, 2005 11:44 AM I like them all and don't understand the GE hatred. Would someone please explain it to me. Reply trainboyH16-44 Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Mile 7.5 Laggan Sub., Great White North 4,201 posts Posted by trainboyH16-44 on Monday, September 12, 2005 11:22 AM I guess that you are all right. I apologise for criticizing. I am just very ani-GE. I think that the AC4400 and Dash 8 and 9 are some of the ugliest locomotives around. my freelance railroad is still all EMD, with another 100 SD70ACe on order (With modofied cabs to make 'em less ugly) Trainboy Go here for my rail shots! http://www.railpictures.net/showphotos.php?userid=9296 Building the CPR Kootenay division in N scale, blog here: http://kootenaymodelrailway.wordpress.com/ Reply selector Member sinceFebruary 2005 From: Vancouver Island, BC 23,330 posts Posted by selector on Monday, September 12, 2005 11:16 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45 Why in the world would this make him a sellout?! (Sorry, but I've always hated that term!) If Eric is imitating the real world (which seems to be the case) then he's doing what most of the Class 1s are doing.........leaning heavily towards GE! Railroads look at locomotives as investment capital. Reliability, duty availabilty, cost-to-operate ratios, maintenance cycle costs, component life expectency, reliability, etc. EMD is viewed as having the higher quality, however, GE's seem to be more readily available, parts are much easier to obtain, and of course the units are cheaper. EMD being sold by GM after being part of it for 80 years sure didn't do much for its image either. Eric may be thinking along these lines, just like the prototype railroads. Years back, Amtrak's diesel fleet was over 90% EMD. The F40PH was king. EMD was receiving accolades for the reliability of that tough warhorse. Well............it's no longer the case is it?? That warhorse that we grew accustomed to has been put out to pasture and those GE Boxcab "P somethings" now command the varnish. In essence, that's business. Eric's got the idea. [:D][;)] [#ditto], and Antonio gets 10/10. If the company were a reality, and running with the benefit of invested dollars, the shareholders would/should darned well expect the CEO and Board to buy the most cost effective tractors for the type of work they will do. I that is resurrecting old 0-6-0's, then that's what the company does. We all have our pet locos and manufacturers, but others may disagree with your criteria for selecting them in the first place. There-in lies the rub. Reply AntonioFP45 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Good ol' USA 9,642 posts Posted by AntonioFP45 on Monday, September 12, 2005 10:26 AM Why in the world would this make him a sellout?! (Sorry, but I've always hated that term!) If Eric is imitating the real world (which seems to be the case) then he's doing what most of the Class 1s are doing.........leaning heavily towards GE! Railroads look at locomotives as investment capital. Reliability, duty availabilty, cost-to-operate ratios, maintenance cycle costs, component life expectency, reliability, etc. EMD is viewed as having the higher quality, however, GE's seem to be more readily available, parts are much easier to obtain, and of course the units are cheaper. EMD being sold by GM after being part of it for 80 years sure didn't do much for its image either. Eric may be thinking along these lines, just like the prototype railroads. Years back, Amtrak's diesel fleet was over 90% EMD. The F40PH was king. EMD was receiving accolades for the reliability of that tough warhorse. Well............it's no longer the case is it?? That warhorse that we grew accustomed to has been put out to pasture and those GE Boxcab "P somethings" now command the varnish. In essence, that's business. Eric's got the idea. [:D][;)] "I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!" Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, September 12, 2005 10:15 AM His explanation for the purchase in the current MR is concise and logical. I think Eric is a top notch modeler who uses a "thinking man's" approach to the hobby. I also think the Utah Belt is Eric's railroad and if he wants to start running horse drawn carriages on it he can! Reply Edit grandeman Member sinceApril 2005 1,054 posts Posted by grandeman on Monday, September 12, 2005 10:01 AM I think it's his RR, he can do what he wants with it. Reply trainboyH16-44 Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Mile 7.5 Laggan Sub., Great White North 4,201 posts Eric Brooman-EMD Sellout? (No offence intended) Posted by trainboyH16-44 on Monday, September 12, 2005 9:55 AM I have always admired Eric Brooman's Utah Belt railway, with it's all EMD stronghold. But now he's bought GE AC4400CWs, and I consider him a bit of a sell-out. Granted, it's his free-lance railroad, and he can do what he wants with it, but what do you guys think about it? trainboy Again-No offence to Eric Go here for my rail shots! http://www.railpictures.net/showphotos.php?userid=9296 Building the CPR Kootenay division in N scale, blog here: http://kootenaymodelrailway.wordpress.com/ Reply 123 Subscriber & Member Login Login, or register today to interact in our online community, comment on articles, receive our newsletter, manage your account online and more! Login Register Users Online There are no community member online Search the Community ADVERTISEMENT ADVERTISEMENT ADVERTISEMENT Model Railroader Newsletter See all Sign up for our FREE e-newsletter and get model railroad news in your inbox! Sign up
I wonder what couplers that would take?? Kadee #2's?? Cambridge Springs- Halfway from New York to Chicago on the Erie Lackawanna! Reply grandeman Member sinceApril 2005 1,054 posts Posted by grandeman on Monday, September 12, 2005 1:29 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by tommyr If they do the sound would probably be crappy[xx(] Most likely. We won't get into naming the proposed downloadable wav files of various prototypes. [;)] Gee, this thread really went down the toilet. Reply tommyr Member sinceMay 2002 From: Oliver B.C. Wine Capitol of Canada 415 posts Posted by tommyr on Monday, September 12, 2005 1:15 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by grande man QUOTE: Originally posted by On30Shay If he gets a wild hair and wants to motorize a bunch of turds and run them, he can do that, too. I wonder if Digitrax will do a sound decoder...[:D] If they do the sound would probably be crappy[xx(] Tom Tom Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, September 12, 2005 1:11 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by davekelly Have I hit all the hot threads yet? NO, you left out that because of the spectacular Garden Railroad shots by Marty, we are all now second guessing our investments. I would think UB will see the brute force of SD45's moving ton's/ounces of snow and start buying up all the Hustle Muscle he can find. Reply Edit grandeman Member sinceApril 2005 1,054 posts Posted by grandeman on Monday, September 12, 2005 1:08 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by On30Shay If he gets a wild hair and wants to motorize a bunch of turds and run them, he can do that, too. I wonder if Digitrax will do a sound decoder...[:D] Reply davekelly Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Rhode Island 2,216 posts Posted by davekelly on Monday, September 12, 2005 1:07 PM Hmmmm. Maybe GE bought a controlling interest in the Utah Belt and strong armed management into the purchase thus putting the financial interests of corporations ahead of the railfan. Or maybe they would have purchased new EMD units but those darn dishonest lawyers threatened to sue. Or perhaps the Utah Belt is protesting Walther's purchase of Life-Like and the impending collapse of the model railroad hobby and of course the related reason that Bachmann is junk. Oh I know. The Utah Belt did purchase EMD units, but Eric used Photoshop to make us think they are GE units. Have I hit all the hot threads yet? [:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D] In any event - Eric Brooman continues to do a fine job with his layout. If you ain't having fun, you're not doing it right and if you are having fun, don't let anyone tell you you're doing it wrong. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, September 12, 2005 1:06 PM He can run what he want's on his stuff. If he gets a wild hair and wants to motorize a bunch of turds and run them, he can do that, too. QUOTE: Originally posted by trainboyH16-44 I have always admired Eric Brooman's Utah Belt railway, with it's all EMD stronghold. But now he's bought GE AC4400CWs, and I consider him a bit of a sell-out. Granted, it's his free-lance railroad, and he can do what he wants with it, but what do you guys think about it? trainboy Again-No offence to Eric Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, September 12, 2005 1:05 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by bwilcox Good grief. This is a hobby. Some of you folks are taking this wayyyyyy too seriously. Isn't that what Eric is doing? Taking his engine power requirements as a company, that to me is more serious then a bunch of us guys/girls half heartedly raking him over the coals. Many of what I see posted is more a poke in fun then a serious demand. Let's have fun, joke and stop derailments and dead frog power loss. Reply Edit AntonioFP45 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Good ol' USA 9,642 posts Posted by AntonioFP45 on Monday, September 12, 2005 1:03 PM BWilcox, Agreed. It is a hobby, but these types of threads can be fun because so many different viewpoints can be expressed and debated without anyone being totally right or wrong. "I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!" Reply rrinker Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Reading, PA 30,002 posts Posted by rrinker on Monday, September 12, 2005 12:59 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by grande man I like them all and don't understand the GE hatred. Would someone please explain it to me. Because we REALLY like ALCOs, and GE hosed them by getting intot he business themselves. Alco used GE electrical components. And GE's prime mover isn't just a little bit similar to later Alcos. Actually I think the 70ACe is pretty darn ugly. All that exposed piping and wiring might make for easy servicing, which is certainly a critical selling point, but it does nothing for the looks. On the other hand, railroads seem to be reluctant to invest in new things - which makes me wonder why they are going for the new GEs, that's a totally different new prime mover in there to meet the new EPA requirements, whereas EMD managed to accomplish it using what is basically the same diesel engne as previous models. Or maybe that's why I see GE ads on all the news channels - maybe they AREN'T selling as well as previous GE models, for that same reason. I just avoid the problem - I model the 50's [:D][:D][:D] --Randy Modeling the Reading Railroad in the 1950's Visit my web site at www.readingeastpenn.com for construction updates, DCC Info, and more. Reply BRAKIE Member sinceOctober 2001 From: OH 17,574 posts Posted by BRAKIE on Monday, September 12, 2005 12:50 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by trainboyH16-44 I guess that you are all right. I apologise for criticizing. I am just very ani-GE. I think that the AC4400 and Dash 8 and 9 are some of the ugliest locomotives around. my freelance railroad is still all EMD, with another 100 SD70ACe on order (With modofied cabs to make 'em less ugly) Trainboy Well you can rest assured that the C&HV will remain a EMD strong hold as will the other short lines/terminal roads owned and operated by CDB Industries..The reasoning is simple..The upper management was not impress with the GE test results.[:D] Larry Conductor. Summerset Ry. "Stay Alert, Don't get hurt Safety First!" Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, September 12, 2005 12:48 PM He should have gone GE years ago, as the real railroads did. Reply Edit GRAMRR Member sinceApril 2001 From: Northeast Ohio Snow Belt, USA 247 posts Posted by GRAMRR on Monday, September 12, 2005 12:20 PM The Utah Belt is modeled as a living, breathing real railroad as are many of the model railroads that we greatly admire. As time marches on, motive power is upgraded, railroad structures get torn down and new ones built, rolling stock evolves into new designs, just as the real world. I love it!! My railroad will probably always be stuck in the time warp of the 1950's but I was a train loving teenager then and have fond memories of the time. But - I do love the model railroads that change with the times. Chuck Grand River & Monongah Railroad and subsidiary Monongah Railway Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, September 12, 2005 12:09 PM Good grief. This is a hobby. Some of you folks are taking this wayyyyyy too seriously. Reply Edit davekelly Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Rhode Island 2,216 posts Posted by davekelly on Monday, September 12, 2005 12:06 PM I really am impressed by Eric Brooman. He has carefully thought out the equipment on his railroad and when I read about it it is like I'm reading about a real life entity. I do wish however, he could come up with a way to justify replacing his locomotives with rebuilt Alco's. Now that would be cool!! If you ain't having fun, you're not doing it right and if you are having fun, don't let anyone tell you you're doing it wrong. Reply grandeman Member sinceApril 2005 1,054 posts Posted by grandeman on Monday, September 12, 2005 12:05 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by trainboyH16-44 Maybe we are all so used to EMD, and GE is intruding? Or maybe we think of GE as replacing our favorite locomotives? (Dash8-40CMs replaced M630s on BC Rail) I don't like the sound, compared to EMD. trainboy Sounds like a Ford vs Chevy thing... Well, we all have our favs. Nothing wrong with that. Reply trainboyH16-44 Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Mile 7.5 Laggan Sub., Great White North 4,201 posts Posted by trainboyH16-44 on Monday, September 12, 2005 11:58 AM Maybe we are all so used to EMD, and GE is intruding? Or maybe we think of GE as replacing our favorite locomotives? (Dash8-40CMs replaced M630s on BC Rail) I don't like the sound, compared to EMD. trainboy Go here for my rail shots! http://www.railpictures.net/showphotos.php?userid=9296 Building the CPR Kootenay division in N scale, blog here: http://kootenaymodelrailway.wordpress.com/ Reply grandeman Member sinceApril 2005 1,054 posts Posted by grandeman on Monday, September 12, 2005 11:44 AM I like them all and don't understand the GE hatred. Would someone please explain it to me. Reply trainboyH16-44 Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Mile 7.5 Laggan Sub., Great White North 4,201 posts Posted by trainboyH16-44 on Monday, September 12, 2005 11:22 AM I guess that you are all right. I apologise for criticizing. I am just very ani-GE. I think that the AC4400 and Dash 8 and 9 are some of the ugliest locomotives around. my freelance railroad is still all EMD, with another 100 SD70ACe on order (With modofied cabs to make 'em less ugly) Trainboy Go here for my rail shots! http://www.railpictures.net/showphotos.php?userid=9296 Building the CPR Kootenay division in N scale, blog here: http://kootenaymodelrailway.wordpress.com/ Reply selector Member sinceFebruary 2005 From: Vancouver Island, BC 23,330 posts Posted by selector on Monday, September 12, 2005 11:16 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45 Why in the world would this make him a sellout?! (Sorry, but I've always hated that term!) If Eric is imitating the real world (which seems to be the case) then he's doing what most of the Class 1s are doing.........leaning heavily towards GE! Railroads look at locomotives as investment capital. Reliability, duty availabilty, cost-to-operate ratios, maintenance cycle costs, component life expectency, reliability, etc. EMD is viewed as having the higher quality, however, GE's seem to be more readily available, parts are much easier to obtain, and of course the units are cheaper. EMD being sold by GM after being part of it for 80 years sure didn't do much for its image either. Eric may be thinking along these lines, just like the prototype railroads. Years back, Amtrak's diesel fleet was over 90% EMD. The F40PH was king. EMD was receiving accolades for the reliability of that tough warhorse. Well............it's no longer the case is it?? That warhorse that we grew accustomed to has been put out to pasture and those GE Boxcab "P somethings" now command the varnish. In essence, that's business. Eric's got the idea. [:D][;)] [#ditto], and Antonio gets 10/10. If the company were a reality, and running with the benefit of invested dollars, the shareholders would/should darned well expect the CEO and Board to buy the most cost effective tractors for the type of work they will do. I that is resurrecting old 0-6-0's, then that's what the company does. We all have our pet locos and manufacturers, but others may disagree with your criteria for selecting them in the first place. There-in lies the rub. Reply AntonioFP45 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Good ol' USA 9,642 posts Posted by AntonioFP45 on Monday, September 12, 2005 10:26 AM Why in the world would this make him a sellout?! (Sorry, but I've always hated that term!) If Eric is imitating the real world (which seems to be the case) then he's doing what most of the Class 1s are doing.........leaning heavily towards GE! Railroads look at locomotives as investment capital. Reliability, duty availabilty, cost-to-operate ratios, maintenance cycle costs, component life expectency, reliability, etc. EMD is viewed as having the higher quality, however, GE's seem to be more readily available, parts are much easier to obtain, and of course the units are cheaper. EMD being sold by GM after being part of it for 80 years sure didn't do much for its image either. Eric may be thinking along these lines, just like the prototype railroads. Years back, Amtrak's diesel fleet was over 90% EMD. The F40PH was king. EMD was receiving accolades for the reliability of that tough warhorse. Well............it's no longer the case is it?? That warhorse that we grew accustomed to has been put out to pasture and those GE Boxcab "P somethings" now command the varnish. In essence, that's business. Eric's got the idea. [:D][;)] "I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!" Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, September 12, 2005 10:15 AM His explanation for the purchase in the current MR is concise and logical. I think Eric is a top notch modeler who uses a "thinking man's" approach to the hobby. I also think the Utah Belt is Eric's railroad and if he wants to start running horse drawn carriages on it he can! Reply Edit grandeman Member sinceApril 2005 1,054 posts Posted by grandeman on Monday, September 12, 2005 10:01 AM I think it's his RR, he can do what he wants with it. Reply trainboyH16-44 Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Mile 7.5 Laggan Sub., Great White North 4,201 posts Eric Brooman-EMD Sellout? (No offence intended) Posted by trainboyH16-44 on Monday, September 12, 2005 9:55 AM I have always admired Eric Brooman's Utah Belt railway, with it's all EMD stronghold. But now he's bought GE AC4400CWs, and I consider him a bit of a sell-out. Granted, it's his free-lance railroad, and he can do what he wants with it, but what do you guys think about it? trainboy Again-No offence to Eric Go here for my rail shots! http://www.railpictures.net/showphotos.php?userid=9296 Building the CPR Kootenay division in N scale, blog here: http://kootenaymodelrailway.wordpress.com/ Reply 123 Subscriber & Member Login Login, or register today to interact in our online community, comment on articles, receive our newsletter, manage your account online and more! Login Register Users Online There are no community member online Search the Community ADVERTISEMENT ADVERTISEMENT ADVERTISEMENT Model Railroader Newsletter See all Sign up for our FREE e-newsletter and get model railroad news in your inbox! Sign up
QUOTE: Originally posted by tommyr If they do the sound would probably be crappy[xx(]
QUOTE: Originally posted by grande man QUOTE: Originally posted by On30Shay If he gets a wild hair and wants to motorize a bunch of turds and run them, he can do that, too. I wonder if Digitrax will do a sound decoder...[:D]
QUOTE: Originally posted by On30Shay If he gets a wild hair and wants to motorize a bunch of turds and run them, he can do that, too.
Tom
QUOTE: Originally posted by davekelly Have I hit all the hot threads yet?
QUOTE: Originally posted by trainboyH16-44 I have always admired Eric Brooman's Utah Belt railway, with it's all EMD stronghold. But now he's bought GE AC4400CWs, and I consider him a bit of a sell-out. Granted, it's his free-lance railroad, and he can do what he wants with it, but what do you guys think about it? trainboy Again-No offence to Eric
QUOTE: Originally posted by bwilcox Good grief. This is a hobby. Some of you folks are taking this wayyyyyy too seriously.
"I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!"
QUOTE: Originally posted by grande man I like them all and don't understand the GE hatred. Would someone please explain it to me.
Modeling the Reading Railroad in the 1950's
Visit my web site at www.readingeastpenn.com for construction updates, DCC Info, and more.
QUOTE: Originally posted by trainboyH16-44 I guess that you are all right. I apologise for criticizing. I am just very ani-GE. I think that the AC4400 and Dash 8 and 9 are some of the ugliest locomotives around. my freelance railroad is still all EMD, with another 100 SD70ACe on order (With modofied cabs to make 'em less ugly) Trainboy
Larry
Conductor.
Summerset Ry.
"Stay Alert, Don't get hurt Safety First!"
Chuck
Grand River & Monongah Railroad and subsidiary Monongah Railway
QUOTE: Originally posted by trainboyH16-44 Maybe we are all so used to EMD, and GE is intruding? Or maybe we think of GE as replacing our favorite locomotives? (Dash8-40CMs replaced M630s on BC Rail) I don't like the sound, compared to EMD. trainboy
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Building the CPR Kootenay division in N scale, blog here: http://kootenaymodelrailway.wordpress.com/
QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45 Why in the world would this make him a sellout?! (Sorry, but I've always hated that term!) If Eric is imitating the real world (which seems to be the case) then he's doing what most of the Class 1s are doing.........leaning heavily towards GE! Railroads look at locomotives as investment capital. Reliability, duty availabilty, cost-to-operate ratios, maintenance cycle costs, component life expectency, reliability, etc. EMD is viewed as having the higher quality, however, GE's seem to be more readily available, parts are much easier to obtain, and of course the units are cheaper. EMD being sold by GM after being part of it for 80 years sure didn't do much for its image either. Eric may be thinking along these lines, just like the prototype railroads. Years back, Amtrak's diesel fleet was over 90% EMD. The F40PH was king. EMD was receiving accolades for the reliability of that tough warhorse. Well............it's no longer the case is it?? That warhorse that we grew accustomed to has been put out to pasture and those GE Boxcab "P somethings" now command the varnish. In essence, that's business. Eric's got the idea. [:D][;)]