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Posted by edkowal on Monday, September 5, 2005 11:00 PM
I don't think that a useful reply to someone's thoughtful criticism of this forum, or any other, is to express concern over their apparent unhappiness, and then invite them to drop their membership.

For one thing, a forum is usually regarded as an appropriate place to express an opinion.

Secondly, it's just possible that the opinion being expressed may be a useful one to be mindful of. Not always, of course, but it's possible.

I've seen other groups where any opinion that was not a complete and utter compliment to the genius of the list owner was greeted with an icy chill at best, and sometimes with the offending member being dropped. The effect that this has on the members feeling free to make statements is quite inhibitory, as you might guess.

Every member that leaves the list is the loss of another potential source of information. We won't have any idea of what their contribution could be if they're not here. Who knows, they may possess the answer to a particularly vexing question which you have in the future.

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, September 5, 2005 8:32 PM
I joined the site but didn't notice the forums till much later
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Posted by jddav1 on Monday, September 5, 2005 8:28 PM
I use the forum more to learn than talk. I have little expertise, therefore have little to say. You guys(and gals) out there with the knowledge and experience keep up the talking.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, September 5, 2005 5:41 PM
I am not exactly a silent member but I would like to ask the silent members for some help. I can not ask all the dumb questions myself. The first question I remember asking was if there was a real world example of a helix. Turns out there is. I learned more from that question than the simple yes/no answer and I would guess a few others did to.

Ask some questions. I need to learn some new things.
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Posted by Tracklayer on Monday, September 5, 2005 5:40 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by selector

You guys are way smarter than I am. [:D][(-D]


Now be nice selector... ([;)])

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Posted by Tracklayer on Monday, September 5, 2005 5:30 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by alco_fan

Originally posted by Tracklayer

only a couple of hundred (if that) ever actually create topics or comment on topics. Why is that ?.../quote]

Well, I post little because so many threads are irrelevant. Lately, more and more threads fall inot a few categories that I find uninteresting:
- self-congratulatory ("I bought a $500 engine!"; "I sold my hand-painted train mug on eBay for $200") or self promotional ("come buy my dreck on eBay"). Or both simultaneously.
- "The hobby is dying because of _______ "(fill in the blank: UP; Horizon Hobbies; no Blue Box kits; eBay; MR mag; Wal-Mart) For pity's sake, give it a break
- Stupid polls / inane questions ("Who likes trains?"; "Did John Henry get a bad deal from management?"; "How often do you eat"). Often these are posted by people who create new IDs and then spend a few days littering the forum with these wastes of time.
- eBay anything
- Posts related to the forum itself, not model railroading ("Look, I just reached 75 posts!" Followed by a tedious round of congratulations from others boosting their own phony post counts. "Look, I posted _and_ made the first reply". "Look, my posts are at the top of all three forums at once".)

This last category, I think, are the kind of posts that kill a forum. Once the traffic becomes all inside jokes, sniping, and self-conscious post count inflation, the thing starts to whither away -- ike what's happened on the Atlas forum. At one point over there, a guy had two IDs and started a huge argument. With himself.

Anyway, I promised myself I wouldn't contribute to one of these "about the forum itself" threads but I couldn't resist the downward pull of the lowest common denominator, I guess.

Jon




Hi Jon. Sorry you're so unhappy with our forum. We're just a bunch of imperfect human beings around here that like to chat and joke around with each other, enjoy our hobby and try not to take life too seriously. Maybe you'd be happier some where else. You can always delete your membership, or contact Bergie and I'm sure he'd be glad to do it for you.

Regards,

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Posted by selector on Monday, September 5, 2005 5:29 PM
You guys are way smarter than I am. [:D][(-D]
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, September 5, 2005 5:13 PM
I come here to learn not to talk
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, September 5, 2005 1:08 PM
I am definately one of the silent members. Although I am In my late 60's, I am a newby to the hobby and I don't posess enough knowlege or expertise to contribute anything of much value. Also afraid any question I might have would seem foolish although I realize the only foolish question is the one not asked. However I visit the forum frequently, and am learning a bunch from all of you who do know what you are talking about and who post on a regular basis. I thank you all very much.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, September 5, 2005 11:18 AM
Originally posted by Tracklayer

only a couple of hundred (if that) ever actually create topics or comment on topics. Why is that ?.../quote]

Well, I post little because so many threads are irrelevant. Lately, more and more threads fall inot a few categories that I find uninteresting:
- self-congratulatory ("I bought a $500 engine!"; "I sold my hand-painted train mug on eBay for $200") or self promotional ("come buy my dreck on eBay"). Or both simultaneously.
- "The hobby is dying because of _______ "(fill in the blank: UP; Horizon Hobbies; no Blue Box kits; eBay; MR mag; Wal-Mart) For pity's sake, give it a break
- Stupid polls / inane questions ("Who likes trains?"; "Did John Henry get a bad deal from management?"; "How often do you eat"). Often these are posted by people who create new IDs and then spend a few days littering the forum with these wastes of time.
- eBay anything
- Posts related to the forum itself, not model railroading ("Look, I just reached 75 posts!" Followed by a tedious round of congratulations from others boosting their own phony post counts. "Look, I posted _and_ made the first reply". "Look, my posts are at the top of all three forums at once".)

This last category, I think, are the kind of posts that kill a forum. Once the traffic becomes all inside jokes, sniping, and self-conscious post count inflation, the thing starts to whither away -- ike what's happened on the Atlas forum. At one point over there, a guy had two IDs and started a huge argument. With himself.

Anyway, I promised myself I wouldn't contribute to one of these "about the forum itself" threads but I couldn't resist the downward pull of the lowest common denominator, I guess.

Jon

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, September 5, 2005 11:12 AM
I guess I'm one of the "middle of the road" members. I read the forum regularly, but post only occasionally. I generally don't post anything unless I feel I have something worthwhile to add to the discussion. I do sometimes just say hi to a new member, but otherwise I only add when I have something of value to contribute. More often than not, I am reading the wealth of information that others are donating to this forum. That way I have more time to read and less time to type. (My time is precious, you know).

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, September 5, 2005 10:16 AM
I'm glued to the forums of MRR, 24/7. I use it as a knowledgebase rather than a community center, not that I condemn that, to each his own. Though, for my needs I find the forums a requirement to solve questions with design and implementation, most always having already been discussed, as opposed to the thousand or so requests for "who to buy from online" or "best dcc system" which appears to be a beaten dog, some don't get the search functions.

my 2 cents

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Posted by Train 284 on Monday, September 5, 2005 9:52 AM
They might just become a member to see the exclusive videos and stuff, thats what I did at first until I found this forum!
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, September 5, 2005 9:41 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by uspscsx

I'm not quiet...I'm just a mime[:o)][:D]
uspscsx..


uspcsx,,,, let us not do anything brash as to cause the mimes to not contribute from time to time and/or go away. Haven't you heard? That a mime is a terrible thing to waste.
[(-D][swg][(-D][:o)][:D][(-D]
Sorry,,,I just couldn't stop myself!!
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, September 5, 2005 1:59 AM
Ive been around but lately real busy. first Im in school, second looking for work, third building a house and lastly taking care of my pregnant fiance. Yup, full load. I feel like a consist coming out of LA. No seriously, I had to put the rail on the ropes till the house gets done (ie...no office yet). Hopefully, we can get back in the swing of things sooner than later.
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Posted by Tracklayer on Monday, September 5, 2005 1:10 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by selector

Well, Tracklayer, you have done a great job of ...er...(cough) flushing out the lurkers and mimes. Well done!

To those of you, like jskerbaugh, with only two (count-'em!) posts, I appreciate your responses. Good to know your faces are illuminated by the campfire too...if we look over our shoulders.

There have been times I've had to eat words when I made a fool of myself, here and elsewhere. The good thing about the folks on this forum is that they are generally genteel and kind when they tell me I'm full of it.


Thank you selector. I knew they were out there, I just thought I'd ring the dinner bell and see who came to eat... [:p]

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Posted by dgwinup on Monday, September 5, 2005 1:01 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by uspscsx

No offense to the mimes out there.

uspscsx


Don't worry, uspscsx, they might hear you, but you won't hear them! ROFLMAO

And no, I'm not silent, I just try to be quiet most of the time. Since my small layout is about as done as it's going to get and I'm still trying to plan for a larger layout, I don't have immediate use of all the great suggestions made on this forum. But when I do, LOOK OUT!! I'll be posting so much, Bergie might shut me down for being a nuisance. LOL (Please, bergie, not that! No! Pleeeeease????)

(Plus I'm a smarta**![}:)])

Darrell, smartly quiet...for now
Darrell, quiet...for now
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Posted by selector on Monday, September 5, 2005 12:48 AM
Well, Tracklayer, you have done a great job of ...er...(cough) flushing out the lurkers and mimes. Well done!

To those of you, like jskerbaugh, with only two (count-'em!) posts, I appreciate your responses. Good to know your faces are illuminated by the campfire too...if we look over our shoulders.

There have been times I've had to eat words when I made a fool of myself, here and elsewhere. The good thing about the folks on this forum is that they are generally genteel and kind when they tell me I'm full of it.
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Posted by jskerbaugh on Monday, September 5, 2005 12:24 AM
Many of us who make up the "silent majority(?)" feel rather intimidated by the expertise found in this forum and follow the advice attributed to Mark Twain, "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt." (paraphased) We do, however, appreciate the generosity of those who share their experience with us. Often I am able to avoid time-consuming (and cash-consuming) errors by heeding the words of those more experienced than I. Thanks, Experts!
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, September 4, 2005 10:00 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by nsfantodd

QUOTE: Originally posted by uspscsx

No offense to the mimes out there.

uspscsx

Thats pretty funny!
It was over a year after I joined that I first posted. I used to visit every once in a while, just checking things out.

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, September 4, 2005 9:27 PM
You're up to 125 now! That's an extra 5 yards!

Hehe, ehehe, ehehe, heh, ohhh, okay, I'll shut up now. I've run it too far into the ground.

Back to the chamber[:)].


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Posted by Tracklayer on Sunday, September 4, 2005 9:25 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by uspscsx

QUOTE: Originally posted by Tracklayer

See guys, that wasn't so hard. It's good to hear from you. Stop by and speak your mind when ever you get time and have something to say. (That makes 124 for me TA462...)

Tracklayer

Tracklayer,

OH NO! You're STAR CHASING! 15 yard penalty, repeat 3rd down.


Just kidding, I had to make fun of the old "OH MY, YOU'RE STAR-CHASING! posts.


Hello uspscsx. Yeah. I was just having a little fun with what TA462 said in his reply about star chasers. Hope he didn't take it to heart.

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Posted by Billba on Sunday, September 4, 2005 9:10 PM
I was a guest for a couple of months, made a few post, then I went dormant for quite a while. I've recently started posting once in a while just to contribute a little something.

I read a lot on these forums, particularly MR, and enjoy a lot of the information and opinions. Some of the folks on here are very good at expressing ways of doing things that I have never thought about, or have forgotten.

There is some real talent on these forums. It is also great to see some of our younger neighbors contributing.
Bill. Quote: "Even if you are on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there." - Will Rogers. Motto: "It's never to late to have another happy childhood"
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, September 4, 2005 9:05 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Tracklayer

See guys, that wasn't so hard. It's good to hear from you. Stop by and speak your mind when ever you get time and have something to say. (That makes 124 for me TA462...)

Tracklayer

Tracklayer,

OH NO! You're STAR CHASING! 15 yard penalty, repeat 3rd down.


Just kidding, I had to make fun of the old "OH MY, YOU'RE STAR-CHASING! posts.
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Posted by novicerr on Sunday, September 4, 2005 6:58 PM
I have posted a couple of times, but feel I dont have enough expertise yet to add much. Will contribute when/if I think what I have to say will help. Only been modeling for a little over a year or so, but have moved to a new house, so havent had much time to work on layout. Besides, I have to redo it anyway LOL. But keep posting the info. I am learning many things. Thanks to all. And prayers to the hurricane victims/families
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Posted by Tracklayer on Sunday, September 4, 2005 6:51 PM
See guys, that wasn't so hard. It's good to hear from you. Stop by and speak your mind when ever you get time and have something to say. (That makes 124 for me TA462...)

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Posted by doctorwayne on Sunday, September 4, 2005 6:47 PM
I thought that it was Oscar Wilde who said "It is better to remain silent and appear a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt", but it has been pointed out that it was actually Mark Twain who said it. Which means I've amply illustrated the quotation. Even so, it's hard to resist pontificating on a subject if you feel that you have something to add, even if to someone more knowledgible that something is rubbish. Sometimes, that's all it takes to prod the more experienced among us to speak.
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Posted by Tracklayer on Sunday, September 4, 2005 6:46 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by TA462
On the other hand though there is a lot of members that have a lot of posts but don't really say anything. They just like watching their post count go up.[%-)]


I'm one of these TA462. What of it ?... ([}:)])

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Posted by Sunset Limited on Sunday, September 4, 2005 6:46 PM
I would love throwing in a few topics daily, but with other parts of life and work and other things in between it's a little difficult. I noticed I'm losing that extra time I had with my hobby, but I'm trying to make up for it. So balancing all this can be a challenge. I really enjoy viewing topics that fall right in on what I'm interested or what I have a question about. I even wrote to a few members here that were great in helping me out through their experience and advise. I THANK YOU! [^]
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Posted by TrainFreak409 on Sunday, September 4, 2005 6:36 PM
I don't know...With only a 1408 posts, I think I'm pretty quiet.[;)]

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