See the latest UP Heritage locomotive...

[Anonymous]

I like all three of them.

[UNIONPACIFIC4018]

I actually was hoping for the John Deere green and yellow but the red is nice.

[CraigN]

I like the looks of this one.

[jeffshultz]

From what I'm able to gather, the "purists" don't like them because they don't really resemble whatever the last scheme was that the predecessor railroad ran. Instead, there seem to be large hints of previous schemes.

So with the SP unit I expect that you'll see something inspired (but not duplicating) either a Daylight scheme (as mentioned above) or a Black Widow Scheme (also mentioned).

Now... how would you combine the two?

[TrainFreak409]

QUOTE: Originally posted by jeffshultz

So with the SP unit I expect that you'll see something inspired (but not duplicating) either a Daylight scheme (as mentioned above) or a Black Widow Scheme (also mentioned).

Now... how would you combine the two?

A Daylight Widow perhaps? Whoever paints that ought to be given a bloody nose.[:p]

Okay, okay, I know, a bad Espee pun, so sue me. NO WAIT! I take that back! UP just might![:0]

Okay, I'm sorry, I couldn't resist.[:I][:o)]

[trolleyboy]

QUOTE: Originally posted by jeffshultz

Since they say that they are numbering them in the years that the railroads were "brought underneath the UP shield" how are they going to do the D&RGW and SP? Weren't they both brought in in '96?

Maybe 1996.1 and 1996.2 just a thought. I have to say though that the traditional green and yellow would have been much better. Rob

[DavidJ611]

QUOTE: Originally posted by TrainFreak409
PENNSYLVANIA FOR ME! I would love to see a modern day PENNSY!

Scott, shall I swing over to 3 Commercial Place in Dowtown Norfolk for ya? [;)]
Would you like Brunswick Green or Tuscan Red? How about one of each?

I would like to see the following schemes reincarnated for thier golden anniversary:
1) The N&W "redbird" scheme, but with the old traditional steam era round herald, not the rare modern "NW" logo version.
2) The Virginian Railway blue and gold scheme.

I'd also like to see the old SRR green scheme.

Ooh! [:0] ...and lest I forget: The OLD "Norfolk Southern Railroad" scheme. [:D]

-Dave

[Anonymous]

One of the guys in my train club works at the san antonio engine servicing facility. At the last meeting he brought pictures of the new MKTs, WPs, hmmm there was another one I cant remember... Anyway, its too bad theyre only doing that to get royalties off it.

[Anonymous]

One of the guys in my train club works at the san antonio engine servicing facility. At the last meeting he brought pictures of the new MKTs, WPs, hmmm there was another one I cant remember... Anyway, its too bad theyre only doing that to get royalties off it.

[Train 284]

That is one really cool loco!

[Morpar]

QUOTE: Originally posted by DavidJ611

QUOTE: Originally posted by TrainFreak409
PENNSYLVANIA FOR ME! I would love to see a modern day PENNSY!

Scott, shall I swing over to 3 Commercial Place in Dowtown Norfolk for ya? [;)]
Would you like Brunswick Green or Tuscan Red? How about one of each?

I would like to see the following schemes reincarnated for thier golden anniversary:
1) The N&W "redbird" scheme, but with the old traditional steam era round herald, not the rare modern "NW" logo version.
2) The Virginian Railway blue and gold scheme.

I'd also like to see the old SRR green scheme.

Ooh! [:0] ...and lest I forget: The OLD "Norfolk Southern Railroad" scheme. [:D]

-Dave

I'm all for any of the above, but hey, if we are going to start asking for NS "fallen flags", we can't leave out Wabash or Nickel Plate units. I would love to see the classic multi-striped NKP scheme on a C40-9W. Or maybe the Wabash blue, gray, and white on a flared radiator SD70M.

And I agree whole-heartedly on the classic Southern green as used on the E-units. That would look good on most anything too!

I don't really care for what the UP has done so far. These new units just don't really seem to evoke the older roads to me. I too was hoping for the Katy in green and yellow. I hope they do the SP in the Daylight scheme myself, and the Rio Grande in the classic yellow.

[Big_Boy_4005]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Lotus098

QUOTE: Originally posted by Big_Boy_4005

It's a very pretty engine, but it is being used to justify a very ugly practice. Does anyone honestly think that UP would do this if there wasn't money in it?

UP does spend a lot of money to restore depots, run old steam, and donates to a lot things. I saw on Great Layouts on RFD TV, where a whole section of the layout (done by kids) was paid for by UP. So, yes, UP would do something that doesn't generate a profit. Why shouldn't UP be allowed to charge for licensing of railroads now part of them? I think other companies can charge for the licensing of companies they bought out. For those that make the claims about public domain, public domain is for things like Charles Dickens, things that have dropped out of protection, where after a long long time none have the rights anymore. Doesn't CSX charge for the licensing of Conrail? Do you consider football teams, nascar teams, baseball teams, fast-food changes, auto manufactures, a great number of railroads, music manufactures, and a vast host of others, to be taking part in an ugly practice?
This is from Trains News wire, tell me how UP made money on this:

Union Pacific sends kids to the circus

OMAHA - As the "Greatest Show on Earth" rolls into cities across the country, it is tracks, the Union Pacific says, not roads that pave the way. For more than 100 years, Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey has traveled the western United States over the UP, and this year, the circus and the railroad have teamed up to provide hundreds of circus tickets for children in states where UP operates. The circus operates two trainsets across the U.S. on various railroads.

Union Pacific designated Boys & Girls Clubs and Big Brothers Big Sisters organizations in Phoenix, Las Vegas, San Antonio, Houston, and Omaha as the recipients of 50 tickets each to the opening-night event.

By the way UP only charges pennies for this ugly practice, most companies charge far more.
James[C):-)]

UP only doing this to keep the fallen flags from going into the public domain.

Don't kid yourself kid, every large corporation gives to charity. UP ain't doing this out of the goodness of their heart, any more than the oil companies are raising the price of gas as a public service.

If you like higher prices so much, try supporting yourself in the real world. I have a feeling you'll change your tune.

Are you sure you aren't with UP's PR department?

Say what you want, but I ain't buyin it.

[twhite]

When I saw the 'Katy" unit, I immediately thought of the "Texas Special", as I saw it once as a young man in San Antonio and was quite impressed by the color scheme. However, I'm like a lot of you, I was assuming that UP would use the green and yellow Katy scheme that most of us remember.
As to SP and Rio Grande--frankly I'm hoping for Black Widow on the SP and the later black and orange scheme of the Rio Grande. Not that I don't like the SP Daylight or the older Grande Gold and Silver--I think they're incredibly attractive schemes, but I can't see them on a boxy modern diesel--to my mind, both of those paint schemes were designed for the rounded body lines of E's, F's and PA's.
Tom

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Big_Boy_4005

QUOTE: Originally posted by Lotus098

QUOTE: Originally posted by Big_Boy_4005

It's a very pretty engine, but it is being used to justify a very ugly practice. Does anyone honestly think that UP would do this if there wasn't money in it?

UP does spend a lot of money to restore depots, run old steam, and donates to a lot things. I saw on Great Layouts on RFD TV, where a whole section of the layout (done by kids) was paid for by UP. So, yes, UP would do something that doesn't generate a profit. Why shouldn't UP be allowed to charge for licensing of railroads now part of them? I think other companies can charge for the licensing of companies they bought out. For those that make the claims about public domain, public domain is for things like Charles Dickens, things that have dropped out of protection, where after a long long time none have the rights anymore. Doesn't CSX charge for the licensing of Conrail? Do you consider football teams, nascar teams, baseball teams, fast-food changes, auto manufactures, a great number of railroads, music manufactures, and a vast host of others, to be taking part in an ugly practice?
This is from Trains News wire, tell me how UP made money on this:

Union Pacific sends kids to the circus

OMAHA - As the "Greatest Show on Earth" rolls into cities across the country, it is tracks, the Union Pacific says, not roads that pave the way. For more than 100 years, Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey has traveled the western United States over the UP, and this year, the circus and the railroad have teamed up to provide hundreds of circus tickets for children in states where UP operates. The circus operates two trainsets across the U.S. on various railroads.

Union Pacific designated Boys & Girls Clubs and Big Brothers Big Sisters organizations in Phoenix, Las Vegas, San Antonio, Houston, and Omaha as the recipients of 50 tickets each to the opening-night event.

By the way UP only charges pennies for this ugly practice, most companies charge far more.
James[C):-)]

UP only doing this to keep the fallen flags from going into the public domain.

Don't kid yourself kid, every large corporation gives to charity. UP ain't doing this out of the goodness of their heart, any more than the oil companies are raising the price of gas as a public service.

If you like higher prices so much, try supporting yourself in the real world. I have a feeling you'll change your tune.

Are you sure you aren't with UP's PR department?

Say what you want, but I ain't buyin it.

[#ditto]If anyone believes UP is doing this for the benefit of the railfans...well, I have some ocean-front property in Colorado you might be interested in buying.

[Virginian]

NS locos are already painted in "Heritage" colors.

[Trainnut484]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Stuckarmchairing

Swing and a miss.

Actually it's three strikes and YER OUT!!

(Also referring to the other heritage schemes)

Russell

[Anonymous]

I always liked and appreciated the power and presence of locomotives, however I never thought they looked particularly attractive. Having said that, I think this one looks real purdy.

Trevor[:)]

[RMax1]

I for one am glad that it is not Green and Yellow. The Katy of my memories is red with the shield logo. I like it. UP didn't have to go to as much trouble to retains rights. The publicity has been great.

RMax1

[loathar]

I wonder if they'll want $10 dollars extra for the model of it.

[IRONROOSTER]

Personally, I like it. Now if we could just get one in Pennsy green with pinstripes...
Enjoy
Paul

[ShaunCN]

CSX still has a C&O loco goign around, NS painted up a southern engine, BNSF well they have tons of Santa Fe units and BN units left. UP was the only railroad to no have a mopac or a WP engine or a katy engine still goign but the do now!

[Big_Boy_4005]

QUOTE: Originally posted by ShaunCN

CSX still has a C&O loco goign around, NS painted up a southern engine, BNSF well they have tons of Santa Fe units and BN units left. UP was the only railroad to no have a mopac or a WP engine or a katy engine still goign but the do now!

Yes Shaun, but I haven't seen the BNSF painting units for any of the fallen flags that have come under their umbrella. No NP, no GN, no Frisco, no CB&Q, etc. Oh yeah, and no licensing fees. (yet)

Some bean counter at BNSF is probably kicking himself, because nobody thought of this back in 1970.

[mpcaboose]

Agree that the red Katy is a great choice ... I think this is the best one yet. The MP version sucks eggs, unfortunately.

As for the SP, Daylight makes a lot of sense. But Black Widow fans shouldn't despair ... it's the Cotton Belt to the rescue! That should provide the opening that we need. Or at least I hope...

[dgwinup]

For what it's worth, my opinion is that UP is doing this ONLY to protect their royalty copyrights.
That in itself is not bad. As pointed out above, many groups charge fees for the use of their logos (NFL, MLB, NCAA, you name it). You can't use those logos without permission and you can't profit from the use without paying the royalties.
In the case of UP, however, they did nothing to protect their copyrights until some obscure bean counting lawyer decided that UP could squeeze some more money out of someone by charging for the use of their logos. In the case of the UP logo, I have to agree with UP. It's their name and they can determine how it's being used and who can profit from its use.
When it comes to 'fallen flags', UP is just being greedy. When UP took over these fallen flag lines, they made NO effort whatsoever to preserve the marque. Locomotives (and rolling stock) were repainted just as fast as the airbrushes could move. UP wasn't interested in the old logos, they were interested in the revenues associated with the acquisition. Only now, at a much later date, did the UP decide that the old logos needed "protection" from mis-use by those greedy, self-absorbed model railroading companies (and others).
This is poor judgment on the part of UP, and a dismal public relations nightmare. How much better it would have been if the UP (and others) had decided to charge a nominal fee for the use of their logos, past and present. A one-time or annual fee charged to a manufacturer is a minimal expense and the UP could have touted their 'benevolence' in banner headlines, honoring the 'fallen flags' logos and at the same time promoting good will. Imagine the favorable publicity if UP had promoted their actions as preserving the heritage of American railroads AND giving the kiddies of the world something recognizable to play with!
Question: Do the railroads charge fees for the use of their logos in any other areas, such as clothing, ashtrays, etc.? I don't know, but I imagine that they would. And if they hadn't thought about it, they soon will. More money!

Darrell, going back to being quiet......for now

Quote: "More pies, more pies!" Jack Lemmon, The Great Race

[jeffshultz]

QUOTE: Originally posted by JPM335

One of the guys in my train club works at the san antonio engine servicing facility. At the last meeting he brought pictures of the new MKTs, WPs, hmmm there was another one I cant remember... Anyway, its too bad theyre only doing that to get royalties off it.

You really think the royalties they are going to get off of models and t-shirts are going to compensate them for what it costs to paint these one-off wonders?

[Big_Boy_4005]

QUOTE: Originally posted by jeffshultz

QUOTE: Originally posted by JPM335

One of the guys in my train club works at the san antonio engine servicing facility. At the last meeting he brought pictures of the new MKTs, WPs, hmmm there was another one I cant remember... Anyway, its too bad theyre only doing that to get royalties off it.

You really think the royalties they are going to get off of models and t-shirts are going to compensate them for what it costs to paint these one-off wonders?

Very much so. The annual revenue from licensing is at least enough to buy a couple of those locomotives, painted of course. Locomotive price tag is a little over a million, I think. A paint job is cheap by comparison. Probably under $10,000.

Remember, this is not about pleasing railfans. This is about keeping dead railroads alive, to get money out of railfans. Without these one off beauties, the law says anyone can use the name for free. Use it, or lose it.

[Anonymous]

BNSF does charge extra for their Logo, You just don't know it.
Allan.

[gvdobler]

QUOTE: Remember, this is not about pleasing railfans. This is about keeping dead railroads alive, to get money out of railfans. Without these one off beauties, the law says anyone can use the name for free. Use it, or lose it.

Then why don't they just paint KATY on the side of any old paint job.
I know it's the UP trying to control our lives-Yikes.
Get a grip.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by gvdobler
Then why don't they just paint KATY on the side of any old paint job.
I know it's the UP trying to control our lives-Yikes.
Get a grip.

Because maybe that thought it'd be nice to do a rendition of an older scheme! I can't believe how cold-hearted some people are about all this.

[gvdobler]

Jonathon

My point is that if all UP wanted to do was preserve the names so they could soak the rich model train guys as has been suggested by some that continually bash UP, they could do it a lot cheaper than by painting a whole engine in a very nice paintjob.

I think the paint jobs are very goodlooking and UP is not Satan.