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The "Little" Justifications we make in modeling - how has history changed to fit your layout?

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Posted by York1 on Sunday, October 15, 2023 3:14 PM

My entire layout is modern day except for a UP City of Los Angeles passenger train pulled by an E9 A&B.

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Posted by IRONROOSTER on Sunday, October 15, 2023 1:40 PM

I used to fret over historic accuracy.

Now,if it all looks good together, it's fine.

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Posted by hon30critter on Sunday, October 15, 2023 1:19 PM

Most of my locomotives are 1950-60s Canadian Pacific units in the maroon and grey livery, but I have a couple of earlier steamers too.

I will justify the steamers by modeling a museum/tourist railroad. That allows me to paint with a pretty broad brush. In addition to my rotary snow plow train, I will occassionally run Thomas The Train and Hogwarts Express (both with sound by the way). Thomas and Hogwarts will mostly be for younger guests.

I am modeling for my own pleasure so yes, I will run what I want

Cheers!!

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Posted by NorthBrit on Sunday, October 15, 2023 10:09 AM

What I model, when I run steam engines, is ficticious. I have the three small railways running under the umbrella of a real one. The rail yard is a real one as is one  of the stations.

Having real mixed with fiction has some people  believing it is all real.

When I run diesels the layout is the same, but the timeframe jumps 50 or so years ahead.   Trains still serve the same places.

Once again bringing the real to the unreal.

 

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Posted by Little Timmy on Sunday, October 15, 2023 9:06 AM

I don't know how this applies to me but, ...

Somehow 1923 Mack trucks are still operational in my 1970s towns...

 

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Posted by caldreamer on Sunday, October 15, 2023 8:45 AM

I model the BNSF Pikes Peak sub which runs from Denver south to Pueblo Colorado. In my world the BNSF owns all of the 120 miles of track. UP was forced to sell their track to the BNSF. Amtrak runs the Northwest Limited from Houston to Seattle which is the only passenger train to directly connect the gulf coast to the pacific northwest.

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Posted by "JaBear" on Sunday, October 15, 2023 4:24 AM
Ah, a topic reminiscent of the past “Philosophy Friday” threads. Thank you!Thumbs UpThumbs Up
 
The “it’s your railroad, you can do what you like,” has always sat a little uneasily with me. That said, if one wishes to run double heading locomotives consisting of a DBR Class 52, and a Union Pacific E-9 hauling a set of wooden clerestory roof passenger cars because you want to, just do it, but please don’t ask the Forum for prototypical validation. Just Have Fun!!
 
 52 4867 by Hugh Llewelyn, on Flickr
 E Unit by Robert Patterson, on Flickr
 
As a foreigner, I thought that modelling a US prototype was not for me, yes there is the internet but I reckon being able to actually visit the prototype is important.
 
So, after a fair amount of dithering, I decided that because coal and cement were going to be the “big” commodities on my free-lanced railroad that it would be loosely based on an amalgam of the Clinchfield and to a lesser degree, the Delaware & Hudson.
However, I was driven to scratch build a car ferry based on the Wabash RR Detroit River car ferry, Windsor, so my biggest dilemma is how can I justify the extra 450 mile, or thereabouts, trackage from the Appalachians to Detroit.  
 
Secondly my freelanced railroad, with a mid 1950s cutoff date, (yes, the 58 Chevy Belaire is another minor issue) has also still too many steam locomotives in service!
 
All in all though, I can happily live with my decisions.
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Posted by FRRYKid on Sunday, October 15, 2023 2:26 AM

I protolance. (The logo for one of the roads is my avatar.) A few things I've bent to fit my modeling:

  1. Eastern Montana never had any place for car ferry service.
  2. The BN leased the ex-NP main line off during the 70s as my protolance does rather than kept operating them as in real life.
  3. One of the other protolanced lines involves the Milwaukee embargoing PCE operations in 1970 rather than 1980.
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Posted by Southgate 2 on Sunday, October 15, 2023 12:47 AM

I originally was trying to proto-lance, but I lightened up and decided to call it a fictitious (no more issues with being prototype) ISL in an area sorta resembling an area IN the area I grew up in on the Oregon coast, mid to late 60s. I use mainly SP diesels, probably 1/3 SP cars, true to locality. It has 2 very recognisable prototype scratchbuilt structures that are accurate renditions, BUT were actually in Bend OR, and a 3rd is planned. Another structure planned is from Myrtle Point OR, our home in the late 60s.

To make it even less prototypical, the roundhouse is home to some 1870s and later steam, reasoning that when real steam ceased, the roundhouse and shop was acquired by private owners, who have the means to preserve the steamers. My SP engines are not serviced locally other than fuel and sand, maybe light repairs. The shop repairs and refurbishes small diesels for home use and to sell. 

No visitors ever ask about the timeline or locale, but they definately recognise those structures if they saw them before their demolition. Dan

 

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Posted by drgwcs on Saturday, October 14, 2023 10:30 PM

History sometimes if you are modeling a specific prototype is a bit hard to pin down. Photos of towns are not all taken on the same date. I have a couple of buildings in my Black Hawk Colorado scene for example that were demolished a little bit before my chosen year. It would have perhaps helped had that info surfaced before I built them but they are staying. I also have a bit of a time warp as my narrow gauge scenes are set about 1930 and my standard gauge is set about 1945 to 1946. 

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Posted by MisterBeasley on Saturday, October 14, 2023 8:44 PM

I have allowed the electrification from the end of the Pennsylvania to the end of the Milwaukee, just to let me run my GG1 to "somewhere" to drop off the GG1 and connect Milwaukee diesel power.  The passenger cars and express reefers continue west, while the GG1 picks up its waiting passenger train and heads back east.

And, the prohibition against "billboard" advertising on boxcars never happened, so my string of ice-bunker reefers with beer and meat advertising on them are still allowed in interchange service.

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Posted by mvlandsw on Saturday, October 14, 2023 8:16 PM

I have considered modeling passenger operations as if the US government decided to pay railroads to continue to operate their own passenger trains rather than forming Amtrak.

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Posted by kasskaboose on Saturday, October 14, 2023 5:55 PM

What a great topic! Bow 

I focused more on home reporting mark (N&W) after reading about what percentage is home compared to away reporting marks.  Additionally, I focus on getting away reporting marks of ones prototyplically seen on a southern VA N&W-used layout. 

Some could care less about reporting marks but others wnat to make things more realistic. Whatever works.  No right way. Fave fun!

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The "Little" Justifications we make in modeling - how has history changed to fit your layout?
Posted by allegedlynerdy on Saturday, October 14, 2023 4:38 PM

As model railroaders, be us prototype modellers, proto-lancers, or free lancers, we all make compromises from reality. Some are matters of convenience or practicality imposed by the real world - curve radii far smaller than the prototype, coupler heads that are far bigger than the prototype, short trains, and small distances between industries are all common compromises. 

But, what of compromises made to history? I've heard many a modeller explain what minor changes happened to history for the freelanced, or proto-lanced layout, to exist. More minor still are changes to enable other options of rolling stock and the like. Of course, the only justification we ever truly need is that it is our railroad - but I am sure some of the more retentive of us still worm in justifications - I definitely do.

For my version of the Copper Range Railroad, the post-WW1 copper crash never happened - at least, it didn't cause the mass closures of mines that it did in our real world. This means that I have a wide variety of prototype copper mines to choose from, fewer locomotives have been scrapped, and some more modern power can show up in the 1930s where I prefer to model - I always wanted a Doodlebug, so the more prosperous mines allow me to "justify" having one. 

Does anyone else have any similar justifications for why their layouts, prototype, protolanced, or freelanced, are they way they are? Anyone have any general thoughts on this topic?

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