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KADEE COUPLER Academic Achievement Tests [S]

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Posted by tstage on Tuesday, November 29, 2022 9:36 AM

A1. They don't hold up as well as Kadee's.

A2. You have more placement options with lead or steel weighting.  Using axles specifically for weighting is pretty limiting.  And seel axles are perfectly acceptable - as long as one side of the axle is insolated.  Otherwise, you have a short.  

A3. I would guess because most modelers started out with #5 couplers (before semi-scale couplers became available) and converting would not be cost-effective for them.  I got into HO in 2004 and quickly adopted & embraced #58/#158 couplers as my standard.  They work great for me and they look better, too.  And, if somone prefers #5/#148s - that's their prerogative.

I don't base my modeling choices and preferences on "many" or "most modelers".  I look at the options and see what works best - for me.  A lot of times the tried-and-true is the best choice.  However, sometimes...there are different ways to accomplish the same thing.  And, sometimes...it turns out a little better. Big Smile

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Posted by wjstix on Tuesday, November 29, 2022 9:36 AM

3. As others have mentioned, I don't find the scale-head couplers to be quite as reliable as the regular No.5 coupler. I tend to use them only where they'll be seen more than used, like on cabooses or the rear coupler of an observation car, or the front coupler of an engine. So like say an F-unit will have a scale coupler on the pilot but a regular No.5 on the rear to connect to cars or another engine.

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Posted by John-NYBW on Tuesday, November 29, 2022 9:27 AM

F-1. KDs couple and uncouple more reliably than any other knuckle coupler I've tried. It's no more complicated than that.

F-2. I don't avoid steel axles so I have no answer for that. As long as the wheels are insulated on one side, that shouldn't be a problem. On steam locos that have tender pick-up, it can be a problem if one accidently reverses which side the insulated wheels are. I guess the same would be true of lighted passenger cars. 

F-3. Two reasons. The smaller couplers are less forgiving and prone to unwanted uncoupling. The other reason is that the smaller couplers look too small to me even though I know they are closer to the correct size. Couplers on real railroad cars are very bulky and the smaller headed couplers just don't convey that look. I prefer the look of the oversized couplers. They look right even though I know they aren't. To my eye, this is a case where perception and reality diverge. When I see a train role by with standard head couplers, I don't think to myself, they look too big. 

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Posted by Water Level Route on Tuesday, November 29, 2022 5:34 AM

I'll play.

1.  Simply, they don't work as well.  They tend to either not couple as well, uncouple as well, the knuckle "spring" wears out over time, or some combination of the above.

2. Steel axles can be pulled by uncoupling magnets, which creates problems.  Steel weights inside the car bodies are far enough away to not show the same effect.

3. I started converting to the standard head years ago and most of my fleet has them.  I have 6 cars that came with the scale head couplers and I will be changing them to the standard size soon.  My experience with the few that I have is that they are more finicky in terms of coupling and uncoupling.  That could just be me though. 

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Posted by "JaBear" on Tuesday, November 29, 2022 2:51 AM
"Konnichiwa".
Over the years the Bear has sat many work related examinations, but the required pass mark was only 70%; I still hate exams, though!
 
Q. F-1.  I have in my fleet a number of cars equipped with Bachmann E-Z® Mark ll couplers that replaced the X2F horn hook couplers. At the time not only were the Bachmann couplers cheaper but they were far more readily available locally. I will only replace them with Kadee #5s if they fail! That said, Kadee #5 couplers are now my go to coupler.
 
Q. F-2. My priority is that my freight cars roll freely on my 2% grade test track. So long as the cars past this test, I don’t care if I have plastic wheels with plastic or steel axles, or metal wheels or whatever! While I don’t begrudge those who do change out plastic wheels for metal, I don’t personally see the point, besides I’ve got better things to spend my modelling budget on.
If I need to add extra weight, I’ll use lead.
I also don’t have the need to use magnetic uncoupling devices.
 
Q. F-3. For me it is not a case of preference, again, it comes down to money, I have invested in the Kadee #5, and some #148s, and have no desire to swap them out for the Kadee “scale” couplers. Had “scale couplers been available when I started removing the X2F horn hooks I may have used them instead.
  
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Posted by wrench567 on Tuesday, November 29, 2022 2:35 AM

 OK I'll bite.

1 Most non KD are plastic with way too much flex and unreliable.

2 99.99 percent of my cars have metal wheels and steel axles. I prefer lead weight over steel.

3. I would need to replace hundreds of couplers to go with the scale size.

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KADEE COUPLER Academic Achievement Tests [S]
Posted by BN7150 on Tuesday, November 29, 2022 12:56 AM

It's okay to see other people's answers, but copy-and-paste is not allowed.

F grade test (full score 100 points, pass 90 points or more)

Q. F-1: List the reasons why non-Kadee magnetic knuckle couplers are disliked.

Q. F-2: State why steel weights are accepted while steel axles are discouraged.

Q. F-3: Explain why many modelers prefer the standard head #148 over the scale head #158.

This is also a test of my English writing ability. :-)



E grade (full score 100 points, passing score 80 points or more)677

Q. E-1: Enumerate uncoupling techniques while the rolling stocks remains on the track.

Q. E-2: List reasons why coupler pockets historically changed from metal to plastic.

Q. E-3: Describe why the swinging coupler pockets are adopted for the Walthers long cars.

Added on Nov. 30, 2022


D grade (full score 100 points, passing score 70 points or more) 1215

Q. D-1: State why truck mount couplers (Talgo trucks) can cause problems are dangerous. (fixed by JaBear's advice)

Q. D-2: Explain why Kadee recommends #231 Greas-em as a coupler lubricant.

Q. D-3: Consider why some modelers install #118 SF shelf couplers on Walthers swinging pockets.

Added on Dec. 01, 2022


C grade (full score 100 points, passing score 60 points or more) 1585

Q. C-1: Explain the argument that coupling short shank couplers together may cause problems is dangerous. (fixed by JaBear's advice)

Q. C-2: State the points to keep in mind when using non-Kadee knuckle couplers.

Q. C-3: Guess why the narrow pocket #262 was made of polyacetal (POM).

Added on Dec. 02, 2022


B grade (full score 100 points, passing score 50 points or more) 2233

Q. B-1: Surmise why the Athearn stopped using the swinging coupler pockets on the Genesis long cars.

Q. B-2: Anticipate Kadee's intentions of releasing the #148 (#242) with different mounting dimensions than the #5 (#232).

Q. B-3: Explain why truck-mount couplers (Talgo Talco trucks) are frequently used in N scale.

Added on Dec. 05, 2022


A grade (full score 100 points, passing score 40 points or more) 3187

Q. A-1: Explain the phenomenon that the coupler head sometimes hangs down even if the mounting height of the pocket is correct.

Q. A-2: Explain the claim that the coupling of underset and overset shank couplers can cause trouble.

Q. A-3: Explain the points to keep in mind when installing Kadee couplers in non-Kadee pockets, with specific examples.

Added on Dec. 13, 2022


S grade (full score 100 points, passing score 30 points or more) 3472

Q. S-1: Think about the reason why #5 (including #6, 7, 8, 16) made the left and right coupler's reversion forces different.

Q. S-2: Guess why Athearn BB lowered it's center height by 0.040 in. while Horn-hook (developed in 1952-1954) and Kadee both have the height of 25/64 (0.391) in.

Q. S-3: Anticipate the phenomenon of concern for #804 for O scale, which has a structure in which the centering spring contracts when a pulling force is applied. (including #K4, #K15 in HO, also MTL #1025)

Added on Dec. 19, 2022

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