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The MAY, 2021 Diner: Touring the US Anthracite Region

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Posted by gmpullman on Tuesday, May 11, 2021 4:48 PM

SeeYou190
Wow. Those were interesting to watch. Quite an expensive mishap.

I agree. I'd like to know, as modern as the ship was, why did they leave port with a) improper ballasting and or b) the vehicles not sufficiently anchored to prevent shifting at sea? I'm wondering if they kept the ballast tanks light in order to get out of the St. Simons Sound then planned to flood the tanks when at sea?

I've heard stories of ore boats leaving or arriving ports with hatch cover clamps removed in anticipation of unloading only to have a last-minute storm come by and catch the crew with their "battens" bunched up.

I look at some of these modern cruise ships and they look like jiant sky scrapers turned on their sides yet they hardly have any draft. (Yes, I'm talking about you, Costa Concordia)

I'd like to see the official NTSB report on the Golden Ray. Hyundai is being pretty tight lipped about it.

I tried to get a little done outside today but it is still only 48°! Brrr.


 

Mance, Pennsylvania, 1988

 Rain and color at Mance by Mike Danneman, on Flickr

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ah yes Jasmine. We have one here in Paducah. 

    ¿¿ Is that a restaurant ??

Cheers, Ed

 

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Posted by Lazers on Tuesday, May 11, 2021 4:23 PM

Hi everyone and could I have Large Beer and Plate-full of whatever tonights Special is, please Ladies. I know 22:15 UK time is a bit late - but I don't care.

I know we don't usually like to mention wrk, but the reason I am being reasonably optimistic and cheerful (for once) is that after 6 months of hard slog, an email came thru (unexpected) with our Certificates confirming our successful Acreditation to ISO 9001:2015 and BS EN 1090 Excecution Class.2 (EXC.2)

This latter allows us to mark Steelwork 'UKCA' (equivalent to 'CE' marking used previously) Now we can Fabricate Structural Steel for Buildings etc. It all represents us taking the Co. to higher status than just a local 'Jobbing-Shop', repairing anything from broken Baby-buggies to Industrial machinery.

I'm looking forward to a better standard of Engineering wrk to complement the hard wrk involved in us recently gaining a good H&S Audit.

This post is like one of those TV quiz-shows, where you must not say, 'Yes' or 'No' - trying to write wrk in place of wrk.

Anyway food's here, thank you. Also thanks for all the vids & photos. Keep 'em coming. Paul.

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Posted by NorthBrit on Tuesday, May 11, 2021 11:12 AM

Good afternoon Diners.    A cup of Highgrove Tea,  please, Chloe.

John.  Thanks for your comments.  Dawn was told  on Tuesday she would not get better.   In fact things would deteriorate.  Off course it has knocked us   (sideways,  never backwards).   Then we remembered she was told she would never walk again.   Okay, so she can walk 15 to 18 steps;  it is 15 to 18 more than the Specialists said.

John,  you must visit Scotland.  Big Smile

Kevin.   That is some journey.   I like it. Smile

TF.   Looking forward to some decent weather.

 

Rules are being relaxed over Covid (at last).   We shall be able to hug  our grandchildren again.    I can be relegated to Signalman  when the grandchildren run the trains.   It has been over a year since they were last in the train room.

 

Dinner  Selection of different Mushrooms and Pasta in a Creamy Sauce.

 

Stay Safe.

 

David

 

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Tuesday, May 11, 2021 10:45 AM

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There is one other place in Michigan's Upper Penesula I should have mentioned/ It is Porcupine Mountains and Lake of the clouds.

My plans for the day from the Upper Penninsula to Minnesota have not been staked out just yet.

My wife is researching places to go, and she also mentioned Porcupine Mountain as a possibility for that day.

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Posted by moelarrycurly4 on Tuesday, May 11, 2021 10:26 AM

ah yes Jasmine. We have one here in Paducah. 

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Posted by Heartland Division CB&Q on Tuesday, May 11, 2021 10:09 AM

Good morning .... 

Kevin ..... I know your trip is firmed up, but there is one other place in Michigan's Upper Penesula I should have mentioned/ It is Porcupine Mountains and Lake of the clouds. It is in the northwest corner of the U. P. .... Absolutely beautiful scenry. 

My trip to Yellowstone was many years ago. I recall we got an exceptionally nice cabin in a group of cabins located just east of the Eastern entrnce to Yellowstone. The company that rented it was lcoated in Cody if I recall correctly. Every morning while we were staying there, a big bull moose walked through the parking lot. 

Also, Kevin .... Thanks for helping out in the coal thread. 

Ed ... Thanks for the videos. 

MLC ... The Asian Restarant was Jasmines

Everybody .... Have a nice day. 

 

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Tuesday, May 11, 2021 9:40 AM

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Kevin, I know some people like to travel without reservations, but right now, so many people are traveling again that most hotels along major routes are booked.  Last year I made reservations and was checking in about 5:00 p.m., and there was a group of people in the lobby wondering where they would stay.  Every hotel and motel in the area was filled.

I never travel without reservations. That is how you end up staying in a Knight's Inn because it is all that has vacancy!

The travel plans are all done now. 27 days of adventure await.

I was shocked at how many areas had no vacancy. I am not spending multiple nights in a hotel in Colorado as intended because two-night vacancies are nearly impossible. I also need to spend one night in Denver because it has reasonable prices on that night.

Some comproimises were made, but I made it work, and on budget. New Orleans did not work out. That is OK, it is close by, and I can make it there for a long weekend anytime I want to. I got all the Western places that I need to see.

Travelling back through the South, hotels are plentiful and inexpensive.

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Posted by York1 on Tuesday, May 11, 2021 9:34 AM

Good morning.  Flo, bring black coffee to the table and leave the pot.

I have nothing to do today -- I'm kind of hobbled by my knee and will spend most of the day in my chair.  Another exciting appt. with the physical therapist on Friday.  Going to the physical therapist is about as exciting as going to the dentist.

JR, I don't envy you with the moving.  I've moved only several times in my life, and it was not easy.  On our last move, I regret not putting my foot down and making my wife get rid of some of the stuff.

Mike, I also don't eny you.  Moving dirt with a shovel and wheelbarrow is not enjoyable.  When I've had to do that, I kept dreaming of getting a Bobcat for Christmas, and driving that thing around the yard.

Ed, thanks for the photos and videos.  Very interesting.

TF, ammunition is like the pandemic toilet paper.  The store shelves are empty.  Whenever some is available, it is gone within minutes.  I'm not sure if you've heard of Hornady ammunition.  Their factory is about 45 miles away.  If you ever travel through Nebraska on I-80, Hornady manufacturing is just a couple miles off the Interstate, and they give a great tour of the factory.  They have an amazing 200 yard underground testing range.

Kevin, I know some people like to travel without reservations, but right now, so many people are traveling again that most hotels along major routes are booked.  Last year I made reservations and was checking in about 5:00 p.m., and there was a group of people in the lobby wondering where they would stay.  Every hotel and motel in the area was filled.

MLC, that sounds like interesting work.  I didn't know that you did film editing, too.  I imagine it takes some creativity to be able to judge what should and should not be included, and weave it all into a coherent video.  You must be good at it.

David, sorry to hear of your and Dawn's difficulties.  I know your wife faces huge physical issues, and we are thinking of you.

Everyone else in the diner whom I haven't mentioned, I hope you all have a good spring day ahead of you today.

I have a bunch of old Roger Moore "The Saint" TV shows recorded to watch from my rocking chair today.  One benefit of a hurt knee is that I'm not expected to do any household chores.  This isn't really too bad.

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Tuesday, May 11, 2021 9:32 AM

gmpullman
I stumbled upon while "surfing" YouTube was the cutting up and salvage of the MV Golden Ray that capsized near the Port of Brunswick, in Georgia back in September of 2019.

Wow. Those were interesting to watch. Quite an expensive mishap.

Water Level Route
Anybody want to help? 

Actually, if I lived close-by, I would.

GMTRacing
We went to both the Grand Canyon and Yosemite off season

Unfortunately, I am hitting Yosemite right smack-dab in the middle of the On-Season. 

Circumstances made any other schedule impossible. If only we could have had the vaccine six weeks earlier.

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Posted by GMTRacing on Tuesday, May 11, 2021 6:27 AM

Good Morning All,

    Trucks all loaded for Summit Point and starting to load for Birmingham next week. Lime Rock last weekend went well though with only four cars there you would hope so. 

     Starting to move some of the more delicate furniture and stuff ourselves to spare the agita with having the moving company bop glass front cabinets and china around. The new digs are only about 15 miles away from the present house so no big deal. 

    Hope you are all doing well. I have been hanging in there and the vertigo I had seems to have gone for now though the bad knee and hip seem to cause the occasional stumble. Maybe I will get the knee done at the end of this seasons racing.

    We went to both the Grand Canyon and Yosemite off season staying in Williams so we could take the train to the Canyon and in Yosemite we lucked out and got a place right at the base of the big falls the name of which I can't remember just now. I like the idea of everyone parking on the perimeter and using a shuttle system for several reasons. It keeps the emissions in the parks to a minimum, frees the roads of rented campers and motorhomes, and probably creates much less trash in the parks as people then have to carry everything in and won't have as much detrius to leave behind. A side benefit also has to be interaction with the other people on the bus. I wonder how many go now and never speak to anyone not in their party. As to crowding, my youngest son would agree. He is in Long Beach these days and often goes to Joshua Tree to hike when he has a couple of days off. When we lived in Ca. growing up, I liked the Pinnacles for the same reason. Plenty of hiking trails and not too many people. 

    Lots to do again today and it's time to pick up tools.   Ciao,      J.R.

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Posted by Water Level Route on Tuesday, May 11, 2021 6:04 AM

Good morning Fellas.  Chloe, a large coffee and a couple asprin please.  Had several large trees removed from our yard last fall.  Their equipment put quite the number of ruts/holes/dents in our yard.  Walking was treacherous all over the place.  So, I had 5 yards of topsoil delivered yesterday.  I spent several hours shoveling this stuff last night after work to spread it out across the lawn.  Got about 2/3 of it moved before I had to move on to other chores last night.  Feeling a little sore this morning, but honestly better than I expected.  Hoping to get the rest done tonight.  Anybody want to help? Laugh

Have a great day guys!

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Posted by gmpullman on Tuesday, May 11, 2021 5:12 AM

       

        Hello Tuesday!

We're still in for more colder days but not as bad as last week and at least NO S**W in the forecast!

Many of the Anthracite roads called Philadelphia home or at least one of the larger cities on their map. Here's a look at what the Baldwin headquarters building looks like:

Ine other neat thing I stumbled upon while "surfing" YouTube was the cutting up and salvage of the MV Golden Ray that capsized near the Port of Brunswick, in Georgia back in September of 2019.

They are using anchor chain to cut the ship into seven sections in order to float away the hull for scrapping. Now that's an operation I'd like to get a good look at.

Here's a look at one of the "slices" showing the decks jammed with new autos that were destined for the Middle East:

       

 

Here's another look from the local TV station:

There were 4,300 Kia, GMC, Chevrolets and Dodge Rams plus a handful of Mercedes-Benz vehicles on board. All 23 crew and one pilot were rescued and unhurt. Loss is expexted to be about $80M for the ship and $80M for the cargo.

Interesting. I've seen limb cutters using a length of saw chain links tied to a rope or cable but cutting a whole ship in pieces with an anchor chain after a little trimming with torches? Amazing

I hope you and Dawn have a better week ahead, David Angel

Cheers, Ed

 

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Posted by Track fiddler on Tuesday, May 11, 2021 5:00 AM

Good morning

Glad you got the gutter thing figured out Kevin.  Yeah those things can be a bear to remove sometimes.  I remember one time Scott and I were removing some and they also had some type of gutter apron installed.  It took a better part of a day to remove those things and I had some slices in my fingers from the sharp edges of that makeshift gutter apron. 

If I had that job to do all over again I think I would have drilled holes with some ropes through and pulled them off the house with my truckHuh?PirateLaugh

You like Cabela's too JohnYes  I love that place!  I don't know why but I get some kind of adrenaline rush when I first see the store pulling up into the parking lot.  I suppose it's similar to the way a Kid feels arriving to the candy store I guess.

The lack of ammo everywhere subject I don't even dare get intoSad  I don't think conspiracy theory chat is allowed hereWhistling

I hope the weather straightens out for you David.  We've been hovering around the 50 degree marker lately, a bit chilly in the morning though.  I'll try to send the warmer afternoons your wayWink

I got my truck so dialed yesterday it's like a fine-toothed comb organization wise.  I know where everything is now sure feels goodCool

 

Enjoy your Taco Tuesday everyoneDinner

 

 

 

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Posted by NorthBrit on Tuesday, May 11, 2021 4:10 AM

Good morning Diners.  Toast and tea please,  Flo.

The sun is shining.  A Wintry chill is in the air.   Showers later.  We  need some warm weather.

It has been a tough week for both Dawn and I.   With not feeling anywhere  near 100%  okay.  

I have some jobs to do around  the house,  then hopefully run some trains. Smile

 

Thoughts & Peace to All who Require.

 

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Monday, May 10, 2021 10:23 PM

Track fiddler
Usually nails are hiding on those Kevin.  If gutters are included in the roof job, most of the time the guys nail the gutters up before the flashing (drip edge) is installed because it's so much easier.  So nine times out of ten there's Nails hidden under the drip edge Illustrated in my rough drawing here.

Sir, you are 100% correct. I am not going to fight with those darned things anymore. I found the hidden nails, and there is adhesive up there too. I guess I will put the big alluminum nails back in and spray paint the gutters.

Thanks for the drawing. That helped a lot.

Track fiddler
I don't think I'd want all kinds of water soaking the ground around the edge of my foundation slab unless there's deep perimeter footings under the edge of the slab.  I would certainly think there would be trench footings but I don't know how they enforce foundation slabs to code in Florida having no frost issue.

Rain water will never hurt my slab foundation. There are no footers at all, we do not need them.

My slab is installed on a tall built-up hill of mixed baserock. All the surroundings slope away from my house. I just need gutters over the garage and front door, as well as the roof corner with the deep valley.

York1
I made Red Beans & Rice for them to eat.  Our daughter loves that dish; she is still a New Orleanian at heart.

That sounds good. I have not made my signature Red Beans And Rice in ages. I have been eating the boxed Zattarain's stuff for a while now. It is better than what they serve at Popeye's.

I need to make a batch from scratch again.

York1
The crowds are always bad.  I really liked the way some of the parks are now handling the crowds.

When I visited Grand Canyon National Park, the crowds were too much for me. The guides told us we were there on a slow day!

Joshua Tree National Park was much less crowded, and I enjoyed it a lot more.

Some of the State Parks have been excellent. The Valley Of Fire State Park in Nevada was an especially good one to visit.

York1
Those Joey D hotdogs look good! I've never had one.

I love authentic Chicago Style Hot Dogs! Once I even enjoyed them in Chicago!

The World Is A Beautiful Place.

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Posted by moelarrycurly4 on Monday, May 10, 2021 8:36 PM

Greetings All,

Got back yestrday from a few days to see some friends up near Chicago.

I only saw one train while up that way, a BNSF double stack headed West.

 

Went on call this week. 

I am headed back to the hospital in Elizabethtown next week to help them some more. 

I am starting to help the NRHS edit some of their heritage films into a nice "story" instead of a bunch of jumbled up footage. They have taken in a lot of donated railroad footage and are converting it from film to digital. 

I got my first drive with footage to edit this past weekend. Very nice footage from the early days of Amtrak and some visits to some Steam tourist railroads in the early 1970's . Who ever they had transfer the footage from film did an excellent job. 

 

Garry: i slept through those storms the other night, most went South of me and into your neck of the woods. I bet you ate at August Moon.

 

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Posted by hon30critter on Monday, May 10, 2021 1:39 PM

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if you want the ultimate pie (my opinion), get an authentic Kentucky Derby Pie made by Kern's.

The best Shoo Fly Pie that I have ever had was in an Italian restaurant in Quebec City many years ago. The top was crusty, the filling was just on the verge of being runny and the pastry melted in your mouth. I had to fight myself from having a second piece!DinnerThumbs UpBow

Last week we had six butter tarts delivered all the way from Perth, Ontario. The tarts were good but the best part was that they were accompanied by a bottle of Top Shelf Distilleries Butter Tart Moonshine! Sweet doesn't begin to describe the stuff, but was it ever good in coffee! It came with a recipe for making Old Fashioned cocktails which we will try once the proper Bitters (two different Bitters in the recipe) arrive from the same distillery. Ya have to support the local businesses ya know!

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Posted by hon30critter on Monday, May 10, 2021 1:32 PM

York1
Dave, I read your comment about buying a small butane torch to use on some gondolas.  Did you try it before you bought the heat gun? 

Hi John,

No, I haven't tried the butane torch. I have to find my fuel bottle before I can do that.

I bought the heat gun because it just sounded easier to use. Although I thought that using an open flame would be okay, it can be pretty tricky. There isn't a lot of margin for error. The heat gun will be more forgiving.

Dave

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Posted by York1 on Monday, May 10, 2021 12:32 PM

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Well, so much for my intention to spend three days in Yellowstone during June. Available hotel rooms are way outside of my budget. It looks like it will be extremely crowded. Oh well, I will spend a couple of days kind-of nearby and do some visiting in the park. At least I will see it.

 

Kevin, we'll be staying three days at Old Faithful Inn in July.  My daughter made those reservations last July, exactly one year before we are going.  She said that one year in advance is needed for several of the in-the-park hotels.  I'm glad she takes care of it.  I wouldn't know anything about it, and I know I wouldn't want to pay the bill if I made the reservations.  When someone else does, it seems easier to swallow.

She also got us two days at a cabin in Grand Teton Nat. Park.  I'm looking forward to it.

The crowds are always bad.  I really liked the way some of the parks are now handling the crowds.  Zion makes everyone park at the entrance, and you have to ride shuttles through the park.  I know some of the other parks are doing the same thing.

Those Joey D hotdogs look good!  I've never had one.  I love hot dogs, especially with chili, cheese, and onions.  Skip the ketchup.

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Posted by howmus on Monday, May 10, 2021 11:41 AM

Good early afternoon....

Sun is trying to peak out around the clouds a bit today before the rain and cold return (well, cold is still with us. Mid 40's is a bit chilly for May.).  Hope to get a mile and a half run in this afternoon around some stuff I HAVE to get done today.

York1
Ray, when the museum opens, will you be operating under all the restrictions, or has your state relaxed things a little?

Oh, we will be following all current guidlines for masking and distancing.  NYS has modified some of the advice and requirements as cases have gone down recently, but all CDC and state guidelines will be strictly enforced!  They better be or I sure will not be out there again and would drop my membership!  I believe in following exactly all the current rules for getting the pandemic in control.  Have lost a few too many old friends from it and have no use for people who think they don't have to follow the "rules"....  We are no longer needing to be masked around small groups of people who have also been vaccinated (family, friends, ect.), but in stores and large groups, venues, etc, yep, masks are still the safest way to go and for the most part people follow the guidelines.

At least we are able to be open using the prescribed limits this year.  I haven't seen exactly how things will be marked off, but we will have to limit total capacity on trains and keep families physically distanced to some degree.  Hopefully even that will be relaxed by the end of the year.  My county is saying that we have over 60% of eligible people that have had at least one dose right now with 46% fully vaccinated, and our numbers are steady going down for infections! Cool

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Monday, May 10, 2021 10:53 AM

Well, so much for my intention to spend three days in Yellowstone during June.

Available hotel rooms are way outside of my budget. It looks like it will be extremely crowded.

Oh well, I will spend a couple of days kind-of nearby and do some visiting in the park. At least I will see it.

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Posted by York1 on Monday, May 10, 2021 9:52 AM

Good morning, everyone.  Sausage, eggs, and coffee, please.

Granddaughters and son-in-law loved the layout.  They enjoyed holding their hands over the track to watch the crossing signals begin to flash.  Then, after about two minutes, they were off to the playroom to get 2,000 toys spread around the floor.

I made Red Beans & Rice for them to eat.  Our daughter loves that dish; she is still a New Orleanian at heart.

Today I'm back out to the shed to work on the lights.  When I built the shed, I put in a sub panel out there.  It makes this work a lot easier.

Garry, my sister-in-law lives in Bowling Green.  She keeps us informed about the weather there.  You guys get some interesting storms there.

TF, Cabelas is also my choice of a clothing store.  Cabela's is the kind of store in which I can spend a lot of time looking at everything -- guns, tents, clothes, survival gear -- I love it all.  The only thing you can't look at is ammunition.  They, like all the other stores, are out of it.

It's nice now to be able to buy clothes that I like.  For 45 years, I had to buy clothes that involved dress shirts, ties, and dress slacks.  Since retirement, I got rid of all but a couple of ties, most of the dress shirts and slacks.  The only suit I kept is for attending funerals.

Ed, thanks for the video.  That is some rugged country for the trains to run through.

Dave, I read your comment about buying a small butane torch to use on some gondolas.  Did you try it before you bought the heat gun?  You're braver than I am.

David, I'm glad you've been able to see your grandchildren again.  There's light at the end of this stupid virus tunnel we've been in.

Ray, when the museum opens, will you be operating under all the restrictions, or has your state relaxed things a little?  Out here, outside of Lincoln and Omaha, we are about as normal as we were before the virus.  The only place still requiring masks is the health clinic - hospital.

Bear, I know you're entering winter there.  Does it get snowy and icy in your part of NZ?

Everyone else, I hope you have a good day.  I hope everyone can check into the diner and let us know how you're doing.

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Posted by Heartland Division CB&Q on Monday, May 10, 2021 9:25 AM

Good morning everybody ...... 

I'll have coffee and a pecan roll (sticky bun) please. 

I am done claening up tree branches from the storms of recent days. I should have time for the model railroad today. 

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Posted by Track fiddler on Monday, May 10, 2021 8:19 AM

Good morning

I just dropped Judy off at work and it's cold and rainy outside.  The sun is supposed to come out early this afternoon.  I hope so because I need to get my pigsty of a truck organized.  One is known to just throw stuff when it's cold out in the winter so the winterkill is a bit overwhelming.

I went to Cabela's and Fleet Farm yesterday to see what flannels they had on clearance.  I'm picky about my flannels because I do not like all the patterns.  I managed to get two nice Carhartts that were normally $55 a piece for $25 each.  That's my game as I buy flannels in the spring and T-shirts in the fall for a huge bang for the buck.

I couldn't help breaking my thrifty rule buying two Carhartt T-Shirts though.  They were really cool and I like Manly T-shirtsPirateLaugh

Well another coffee is in order and I think I'll get out my modeling mat until the sun comes out.

 

Make it a great Monday gentlemanWink

 

 

 

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Posted by gmpullman on Monday, May 10, 2021 5:59 AM

 

Track fiddler
This 'Usually' is the case most of the time but not all the time.

 

My drip edge nails from the top and the heads are then under the first row of shingles. Plus the pitch of the gutter, by the time it runs 30 or 40 feet is far away from the drip edge, probably 3 or 4 inches.

"Old" drip edge used to be pretty skinny. I like to get the widest stuff I can to give me a good nailing flange.

I like the internal brackets for the gutters. No holes in the front, no nailing, just zip the screws in with a hex drive.

https://www.lowes.com/pd/Amerimax-Aluminum-Gutter-Hidden-Hanger/3032886

I still hate gutters!

          


 

 My wonder bar is nice and flat. I probably have five or six different ones.

 

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Posted by Track fiddler on Monday, May 10, 2021 5:43 AM

Good morning

Haven't decided what to do with the day yet but I'm enjoying my coffee.

Gutters, yes.  Usually nails are hiding on those Kevin.  If gutters are included in the roof job, most of the time the guys nail the gutters up before the flashing (drip edge) is installed because it's so much easier.  So nine times out of ten there's Nails hidden under the drip edge Illustrated in my rough drawing here.

So when you remove the screws from the gutter brackets you think the gutter should be free but they're not.  You got to sneak behind the gutter with a Wonder Bar to feel where the nails are.  Then remove them behind the drip edge once you locate them and it's kind of a pain in the butt.  It's all done by feel because you cannot see them. 

This is 'Usually' the case most of the time but not all the time.

If you're trashing the gutters it's just easier to pry the gutter away from the fascia from behind and just let the nails suck through the aluminum.  Sometimes they pull out with the gutter anyway.

Some of the seamless guys will come and roll you out a 60-foot gutter and charge you accordingly even if you're not having them do the work.  You don't want seams in your gutters if you don't have to.

But maybe you're doing away with the gutters all together because you have landscape rock where the water drips and don't need them anymore.  People with basements still want to get the water away from the house but you don't have that problem.

I don't think I'd want all kinds of water soaking the ground around the edge of my foundation slab unless there's deep perimeter footings under the edge of the slab.  I would certainly think there would be trench footings but I don't know how they enforce foundation slabs to code in Florida having no frost issue.

 

 

 

TF

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Posted by NorthBrit on Monday, May 10, 2021 3:37 AM

Good morning Diners.   The usual Tea and toast,  please, Chloe.

It was Dawn's and our Son's birthdays yesterday,   so had the family visiting.   Our daughter brought me a blueberry muffin.  Big Smile.  I shall have that with coffee this morning.

Guttering.   We had ours renewed when we had the new rooves on our property  last November.

Spending a little time on the layout today  and building a few small items.

 

Thoughts & Peace to All who Require.

 

David

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Monday, May 10, 2021 12:15 AM

gmpullman
That's probably why your installer caulked behind your gutters, Kevin.

I guess I will continue to fight with them on Tuesday. Tomorrow I am going to work on cleaning some gravel and getting ready to put in some pavers.

The World Is A Beautiful Place.

-Kevin

Living the dream.

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Posted by gmpullman on Sunday, May 9, 2021 10:10 PM

I hate gutters!

We had all new seamless gutters put on after a little reno in 2012. The old gutters had a leak at two of the inside corners right where I have a walkway. Wouldn't you know, those same exact two corners leak again today even though everything nearby, the drip edge, fascia and gutters have been replaced Bang Head

I've had dripping between the back of the gutter and face of the fascia even though the drip edge is perfectly placed. The water just follows the fascia and runs behind the gutter.

That's probably why your installer caulked behind your gutters, Kevin.

     

Regards, Ed

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Sunday, May 9, 2021 10:00 PM

York1
Did the roofers put some kind of caulk near the top of the back of the gutter?  

That is what I am thinking. These gutters have been there for the 20+ years I have owned the house, and we have had the roof replaced twice.

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I don't think any of that should be do-it-yourself projects.

I only have 60 feet of gutter along the front of the house. It is a very simple system. This is definitely in my "can-do" ability, if I can get the old ones off of the house with no damage.

Heartland Division CB&Q
We bought a few items discounted 75% or better. Sad to see the store closing permanently. 

We lost our Sears a few years ago, but J.C.Penney's is still holding on, but I doubt for much longer. I think the countdown clock is ticking for all these old stores.

-Kevin

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