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Posted by Track fiddler on Thursday, March 11, 2021 12:38 PM

NorthBrit

Thanks TF for looking re steam ships on the Great Lakes.   I came to the same conclusion.  I just wondered if one maybe was 'lurking'  there. 

Not at all David.  It was my pleasure reading over all the history and information on the Great Lakes Steamships this morning over coffee.  I found it quite interesting.  It's a tough act to follow trying to pinpoint things you want to know though.

Mike, I tried posting Gordon Lightfoots Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald and it wouldn't let me do it.  I don't know how Brent did it, maybe they have less restrictions in Canada or something.  The ones I was going through must have been copyrighted or something.

Charlie, Thank youSmile  Same thing my wife and some of my friends keep telling me.  I know?  At least I've been thinking about it latly.

 

 

 

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Posted by CNCharlie on Thursday, March 11, 2021 12:27 PM

Good Afternoon,

Colder today with snow flurries but supposed to hit 45F over the weekend. 

Seems the flock of crossbills has largely left. I guess they felt it was getting too warm, so headed back to the boreal forest.

My wife was looking up photos of antelope type animals we took in Africa and realized she had photos of a female and fawn Sitatunga. They are only found in the Okavango Delta. They are rarely seen and when we did see a male on a previous trip our guide was really excited as he had only seen them twice in 10 years. She was wandering about the camp at siesta time so no one was around. I was asleep. Got some amazing photos. The walkways at this camp are all raised about 6 feet off the ground and the 'tents' are on stilts.

TF, yes your body will tell you when something is wrong but by then you might be seeing a Doc to find out how long you've got. I had prostate cancer that was only found by annual tests. I had zero symptoms. Once it starts to affect you with symptom it likey has metastized to bone cancer. A good friend of mine died of prostate cancer at  age 64. He wasn't getting annual tests and when he went to see why he felt poorly it was too late. He was a master model railroader. When they were wheeling me into the operating theatre I felt perfectly fine. Sorry if this was a bit of a rant.

Wife is doung a roast chicken for supper wih sour cream and sweet paprika sauce. It is really good. 

A flock of house finches just arrived on the feeders I can see from my window.

CN Charlie

 

 

 

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Posted by GMTRacing on Thursday, March 11, 2021 12:21 PM

Good Afternoon All,

    Just stopping by for an early afternoon coffee. Good to hear more on Ulrichs' progress. He and Petra have had quite the tussle with life and i hope this starts a new better chapter when it finally comes together.

    Hope Garry is getting better along with the rest of you in need of healing. And a belated Happy Birthday David.

    Closing on the new digs is off for Monday as they are still waiting for the title search to finish. Shouldn't have been a big deal as the house is fairly new and only had one other owner before this one. Just need patience.

  New doc for the stuff they found with the last contrast MRI. Didn't seem overly concerned but did order about 2 dozen blood tests. Hope I have enough blood left to get home after.

   We have had a couple of RDC's at the museum. Powered by a pair of the same 318 Detroit Diesel that was in the Ford 900 cabover I used to row cross country in. The motors are laid over on their side and are two stroke so a bit noisy but to answer the question, the heat was good. If done today as a 4 stroke with turbo and electronic injection so they make way less emissions, they might make a viable commuter rail solution. Problems on the New Haven were the crossings where they were often too light for the sensors to trip the crossing lights which is not good. Also they were prone to going to ground in heavy snow so they often had an RS2 or 3 attached up our way to cut through the buildup on the tracks. Probably all solvable with modern technology.

    The Acela on the HellGate bridge brings back memories. It sort of fits as Philly is on the northeast corridor and the train will at least pass through there. No bridge over the Hudson on the southern end of the river so you go through the tunnels built some time before the middle ages after you leave Penn Station going west. I was awed and amazed they didn't get wrecked during the last big hurricane as they did flood. 

    The B&O I think was first but the New Haven electrified early on and used overhead catenary. The Pennsylvania borrowed one of the early box cabs and used it to copy for their own electrics culminating in the GG-1 probably the most successful electric for its' time. 

     All for now - time to get back to the shop.    Ciao, J.R.

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Posted by gmpullman on Thursday, March 11, 2021 11:45 AM

It has been mentioned in the Diner once or twice:

 NY_Connecting-HellGate by Edmund, on Flickr

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell_Gate_Bridge

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Posted by Water Level Route on Thursday, March 11, 2021 11:42 AM

NorthBrit

Anyone know?

On my local Ships & Shipping Forum a member has asked  "How many steam ships are still on the Great Lakes?"

 

David

 

Not many.  I know of one that was formerly a railroad carferry, now focusing mostly on passenger traffic.  Ask me how I know about her.  Whistling

https://www.ssbadger.com/

I found reference to a 2008 book talking about freighters that said at the time there were fewer than 20 steam powered ones left sailing.  Sounds like at least one, the Arthur M. Anderson is sailing.  Had been laid up for a while, but retrofitted in 2014 (?) and pressed back into service.  That one is famous for being the last ship to have visual contact with the Edmund Fitzgerald, as the Anderson was following the Fitzgerald that fateful night.

Cue Track Fiddler posting the Gordon Lightfoot song now. Laugh

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Thursday, March 11, 2021 11:20 AM

pav
Kevin, good catch. That is the Hell Gate Bridge between the Bronx and Queens NY. I guess this picture got mixed in with the Philly pictures.

Really?

I had no idea there really was a Hellgate Bridge, I thought it was just a Lionel marketing name.

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Posted by mbinsewi on Thursday, March 11, 2021 8:24 AM

The track coming out of the tunnel crosses the river, which is right behind the photographer, and into Dubuque.

Going into the tunnel, it ends at about 1,000', and joins the BNSF main line.  CN has track/haulage rights on this line with the BNSF, south, to about Galena, where the line branches off, back on CN home rails.

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Posted by NorthBrit on Thursday, March 11, 2021 8:22 AM

Thanks TF for looking re steam ships on the Great Lakes.   I came to the same conclusion.  I just wondered if one maybe was 'lurking'  there. 

 

David

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Posted by Track fiddler on Thursday, March 11, 2021 8:13 AM

gmpullman

Another real scene that looks like a model. Why is that utility pole there? Usually the wires go over the mountain.

 Illinois tunnel by Mike Danneman, on Flickr

You would never see a tunnel so close to a crossing, right Whistling

Cheers, Ed

 

Don't look right to me Ed!

Hopefully the train in the tunnel, engineer's mom told him to stop look and listen before you cross the streetLaugh

Perhaps the utility pole by the tunnel powers the red light, green light a hundred feet within the light at the end of the tunnelIndifferentWhistling

Maybe it would have just been easier to put a big red stop sign out thereLaugh

Can't you just imagine the engineer pulling up the stop sign, looking both ways and then putting the pedal to the metalLaugh

 

 

 

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Posted by mbinsewi on Thursday, March 11, 2021 7:41 AM

SeeYou190
I had no idea being retired would mean we go to medical appointments so much more frequently. There isn't anything even wrong with me!

Just wait till you hit Medicare  Laugh  you'll get bounced from doctor to doctor, as they love that medicare payment.

Nice RDC pics Dave.  The RDC-A (with the cab) would make an interesting kit bash.

With 50 and 60 degree weather lately:

Of course, in WI., this is like a fake spring.  Laugh

Ed, you are right, that does look like a model scene.  I have to go to Google satellite and find that.  I think that track coming out of the tunnel is CN.

Have a great day !

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Posted by Track fiddler on Thursday, March 11, 2021 6:12 AM

Good morning

Just coffee for me please, black.

Yep,  40% off coupons swiped from your phone days at Hobby Lobby are over I found out as you said Maxman.  They had 30-50% off throughout the store is how thier doing things now but nothing I was buying.

I researched your question on steam ships David but all I found was a lot of interesting information from early this morning to occupy my time over coffee.  Some company is manufacturing a steamship replica that will be completed in 2022.  It will be equipped with a diesel engine though.

For me Kevin,  I don't want to go for random visits to the doctor.  The mind is a powerful thing and I don't need to be told something's wrong and start believing it.  I believe we all have things wrong with us at times through life and your body naturally fights it off itself as long as your eating good.  There's those times something is missing,  I keep running to the kitchen for a healthy snack and I'm not content until I finally get what my body was craving.  I know when something is wrong and then I'll go in if I have toSmile, Wink & Grin

Looks like you found a couple more nice box car kits.  I know how you love customizing those to the Stratton & Gillette rolling stock that turnout way coolYes

Thanks for the info and images on the budd stainless passenger car manufacturing and the RDC's Dave.  Interesting stuff.

Well,  Haven't decided what I'm going to work on today but it'll be something.  I'm taking Judy to work this morning and will have to find something to occupy my time.

 

Have a great day gentlemanWink

 

 

 

TF

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Posted by pav on Thursday, March 11, 2021 5:10 AM

Kevin, good catch. That is the Hell Gate Bridge between the Bronx and Queens NY. I guess this picture got mixed in with the Philly pictures.

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Posted by NorthBrit on Thursday, March 11, 2021 5:04 AM

This weekend.   A Virtual Railways Exhibition   U. K. style.  

 

https://www.world-of-railways.co.uk/information/world-of-railways-virtual-exhibition

 

David

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Posted by NorthBrit on Thursday, March 11, 2021 4:42 AM

Anyone know?

On my local Ships & Shipping Forum a member has asked  "How many steam ships are still on the Great Lakes?"

 

David

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Posted by NorthBrit on Thursday, March 11, 2021 4:29 AM

Good morning all.   Raining, sunshine and strong winds all day.

Thanks for the birthday wishes  guys.    

Garry.  I hope your health is improving.

 

Revamping and freshening up the layout today.   Adding a few items I received  from my grandchildren  for the layout.

 

Before that  Coffee  Coffee time  and a piece of cake.   

 

Thoughts & Peace to All who Require.

 

David

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Posted by hon30critter on Thursday, March 11, 2021 2:36 AM

KitbashOn30
While talking RDC, if you don't have it already, this is a good book on the RDC well worth acquiring,

Hi KitbashOn30,

Thanks for the recommendation.

Here is the (Canadian) listing on Amazon:

https://www.amazon.ca/Rdc-Budd-Rail-Diesel-Car/dp/0870951033

Dave

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Posted by KitbashOn30 on Thursday, March 11, 2021 2:14 AM

hon30critter
Let's not forget the RDCs:

While talking RDC, if you don't have it already, this is a good book on the RDC well worth acquiring,

RDC book

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Posted by hon30critter on Thursday, March 11, 2021 12:54 AM

Here are some pictures of Budd passenger cars under construction:

Metroliners:

A few of Budd's interesting projects.

The Zephyr was the first stainless steel lightweight train:

Michelin rubber tired train. This was the first experiment at producing the RDCs:

The Crusader(?):

This must have been very noisey:

Let's not forget the RDCs:

Here is the Wikipedia version:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budd_Rail_Diesel_Car

Of course I had to start with a Canadian paint scheme:

They got around! This one is in Brazil:

Puffing a little smoke:

I wonder how well the heaters worked?

Repurposed:

Via Rail:

Amtrack:

BCR:

In production:

Diesels eh!

An interesting variation:

Interesting consist:

More to come.

Dave

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Wednesday, March 10, 2021 10:34 PM

My wife had another dentist appointment today. I have one next Wednesday, and a lab appointment for blood drawing on Thursday. Then we both have doctor appointments the week after that.

I had no idea being retired would mean we go to medical appointments so much more frequently. There isn't anything even wrong with me!

Oh well.

These two beauties arrived today. The old IMWX kits with the special edition Des Plaines Hobbies Viking Roofs! Both are complete and in mint condition. This was a good find.

The World Is A Beautiful Place.

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Posted by gmpullman on Wednesday, March 10, 2021 9:53 PM

Another real scene that looks like a model. Why is that utility pole there? Usually the wires go over the mountain.

 Illinois tunnel by Mike Danneman, on Flickr

You would never see a tunnel so close to a crossing, right Whistling

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Posted by BigDaddy on Wednesday, March 10, 2021 8:21 PM

I am happy to hear about Ulrich.  His travails have been heart breaking. 

Daffodils are coming and it has been 60+ the last two days but we still have a small pile of snow

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Posted by hon30critter on Wednesday, March 10, 2021 7:29 PM

SeeYou190
Is he staying in Germany, or did he manage the relocation to Denmark?

Hi again Kevin,

Here is some info from Ulrich:


The property is located near the town of Pasewalk in northeastern Germany, not far from the Polish border and the Oder river delta. It´s an area of outstanding natural beauty and a paradise for bird lovers.

This is road which his property is on:

 

Looks like a nice place. He says he plans on moving this year, but he has been slow making progress on the house design.

Dave

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Posted by howmus on Wednesday, March 10, 2021 5:54 PM

Evenin'folks!

As long as we are taking a great look at passenger cars  I would present the Original Empire State Express (or at least what is left of her) now owned by the Rochester and Genessee Valley RR Museum where I volunteer.  I can't put individual photos of the remaining cars up but the link will take you to the Muesum site which has some fairly detailed information about the cars we have.

http://www.rgvrrm.org/about/railroad/ese/

I have served as a car host several times when we have had them out on the mainline of the Livonia, Avon & Lakeville Railroad.  We have been restoring the cars and keeping them operable for a good many years now.  Last year due to the pandemic we did not use them, but hoping this summer we might be able to have a trip with them again.  Time will tell!

Alonzo, the baggage car has a small diesel prime mover in it.  That is used to provide electric power to the rest of the cars for light and (when it works) air conditioning.  When we are using them two of our volunteers ride in Governor Alonzo to keep the old diesel running.......  Oh...  All the cars were named after NYS Governors.  Most of the cars we have been able to find out which governor it was.  Sooner or later the plan is to make copies of the name plates that were originally on them and reinstall them on the proper cars.

73

Ray Seneca Lake, Ontario, and Western R.R. (S.L.O.&W.) in HO

We'll get there sooner or later! 

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Posted by gmpullman on Wednesday, March 10, 2021 2:42 PM

Budd-built cars were always sought after due to their ALL stainless steel construction, even the center sill. Pullman used Cor-Ten and clipped stainless sheathing on to it which actually trapped moisture and caused the corrosion to get worse.

 

 Zephyr by Edmund, on Flickr

 

 Zephyr_0006 by Edmund, on Flickr

 

 Zephyr_0003 by Edmund, on Flickr

 

I don't recall some of the finer points of the Pullman Company anti-trust lawsuit but one of the sticking points was the fact that in the beginning Pullman refused to staff Budd-built sleeping cars.

It must have really irked Budd management that some of their cars were lettered P U L L M A N on the letterboard!

 

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Wednesday, March 10, 2021 2:40 PM

maxman
Starting looking around on the net and came up with some info that they had discontinued those general 40% off coupons.

I did not get my usual "50% off next purchase" coupon the last time I bought something at Michael's.

I did not think anything about it at the time.

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Posted by maxman on Wednesday, March 10, 2021 2:34 PM

Track fiddler
I need some stuff for the layout and they have 40% off coupons on my phone they swipe.

NOT ANY MORE!!!

I looked for one this past week and couldn't find one.  Starting looking around on the net and came up with some info that they had discontinued those general 40% off coupons.

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Posted by Track fiddler on Wednesday, March 10, 2021 1:53 PM

Good afternoon

It quit raining for a while and wifey wants to go to Hobby Lobby.  I guess I won't argue, I'll just put my Hefty two ply mask on.  I need some stuff for the layout and they have 40% off coupons on my phone they swipe.

 

 

 

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Posted by "JaBear" on Wednesday, March 10, 2021 12:50 PM

hon30critter
He would not hire black workers

Hmm I think you need to read the comments on that article , Dave. Smile

Happy B-Day David.

"One difference between pessimists and optimists is that while pessimists are more often right, optimists have far more fun."

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Posted by Track fiddler on Wednesday, March 10, 2021 12:32 PM

Thanks Charlie

I have never been good at coming up with common sense solutions but your idea sounds great.  Funny I didn't think of that while I had my magnification visor on and could see through the tiny holes but I didn't.  Your idea can't missYes

 

Thanks again Charlie

 

 

 

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Posted by CNCharlie on Wednesday, March 10, 2021 12:00 PM

Good Morning,

Happy Birthday Dave in Britain!

TF, It shouldn't be hard to glue that railing back on. I would remove the shell and put a very small dab on the back of the holes to minimize the chance of getting glue on the paint assuming the holes go right through. I've taken the shells off N scale locos many times to install decoders. I have a set of very small jewellers screwdrivers. I then slowly pry off the shell using a tiny screwdriver to hold the shell apart. I use glue on the end of a straight pin as an applicator. Or perhaps the shop would do it for you.

Time for another coffee. Robbie is stretched out sleeping on the sofa beside me. 

CN Charlie

 

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