Steven Otte I'm dubious, for two reasons. First, our former executive editor, Andy Sperandeo, always referred to the G&D locomotive in his office (which now resides in Model Railroader's historical display case) as the last surviving G&D locomotive. The Japanese website says that these three were "excavated from the burned-out G&D," which doesn't directly contradict Andy's story, but since Andy is no longer with us, we can't ask him for clarification. Second, the site says "Mr. Matsumoto has three locomotives ... that Mr. John Allen excavated from the burned-out G & D railroad." As we all know, the fire that destroyed the G&D happened after John Allen died. This timeline contradiction could be due to poor translation from the Japanese, or a mistake on the part of Mr. Matsumoto or the blogger. So again, it's not a definitive error. But it does make me doubtful.
I'm dubious, for two reasons. First, our former executive editor, Andy Sperandeo, always referred to the G&D locomotive in his office (which now resides in Model Railroader's historical display case) as the last surviving G&D locomotive. The Japanese website says that these three were "excavated from the burned-out G&D," which doesn't directly contradict Andy's story, but since Andy is no longer with us, we can't ask him for clarification.
Second, the site says "Mr. Matsumoto has three locomotives ... that Mr. John Allen excavated from the burned-out G & D railroad." As we all know, the fire that destroyed the G&D happened after John Allen died. This timeline contradiction could be due to poor translation from the Japanese, or a mistake on the part of Mr. Matsumoto or the blogger. So again, it's not a definitive error. But it does make me doubtful.
Could it be that since the locomotives in the satchel surfaced later in 2009 and weren't highly publicized? The ones on Mr Matsumotos site look like exact matches to the the ones found in the satchel. (allowing for a little damage in shipping. Looking at the other locomotives in the "satchel gallery" they look like like matches for the other G&D locos- there is even "ghost lettering" where you can see the remains of the heralds. The poor things have obviously been through a fire and had it not been for their heritage would have been long ago thrown in the trash. Here is a direct link to the gallery- http://gdlines.org/GDLines/Satchel/album/index.html the ones that appear to be a match to Mr Matsumoto's are on the first and second page.I attached a couple of examples
From Mr Matsumoto's page
From the Satchel gallery
Even though the step is missing - the paint matches- bubbled up areas that are bare even match- there is an indent on the headlight where the hole is even. The others look like good matches.
Wasn't John's brother still alive? Could that be the Mr. Allen referred to? Still, I share your skepticism.
Interesting find all the way around. I'm surprised they look that good after surviving a house fire. Damage almost seems purely cosmetic to the paint.
--Steven Otte, Model Railroader senior associate editorsotte@kalmbach.com
dehusman How does he know if they are actually G&D engines? There does not appear to be any lettering on them and the G&D engines were lettered. Plus the G&D engines had steps added under the cab doors, which these models lack. The couplers don't have trip pins and there are the curious holes in the headlights.
How does he know if they are actually G&D engines? There does not appear to be any lettering on them and the G&D engines were lettered. Plus the G&D engines had steps added under the cab doors, which these models lack. The couplers don't have trip pins and there are the curious holes in the headlights.
Here is a link to the story on these engines- they are a match to the photos here. Not sure about the missing steps on the one but the bare metal damaged spots are an exact match. (maybe the steps came off in shipping- these poor engines have been through a lot) Even the paint that looks loose has peeled off exactly as it would have naturally. There is an indent in the headlight in one of the older photos. My suspicion is that they got a slight amount of shipping damage- probably wouldn't have affected most locos but these have been through a fire. They were removed from the layout after the fire- all were heavily damaged with most worse than these. There is a link on this page to a gallery of the engines. The http://gdlines.org/GDLines/The_Satchel2.html
Oh! Horyuji-Temple!
The mural painting in National Treasure painted in the 7th century were destroyed by fire in 1949 and the debris was preserved safely.
In Japan, it is thought that the GD line is the subject of respect for not only the West but also the world railroad modelers. The photographs were frequently posted on large images in a Japanese magazine named "Railroad Model Hobby (abbreviated as TMS)." It is said that John Allen was pleased because the color image quality surpassed the MR and RMC.
Dave H. Painted side goes up. My website : wnbranch.com
A "#8 American sewing machine" is:
As you already know, 4-4-0 (Mantua) for No.8 locomotive, 0-4-0T (Varney-diecast) for No.9, 0-4-0T (PFM / Sakura) for No.10 is there. This author wrote that the No.8 is "number 8 engine, which is American (4-4-0)," on the premise that the readers know the GD line well. Engine in Japanese is also expressed as machine. And generally speaking, machine means sewing machine only. It was just a dreadful Google translation.
Wow, they compared the GORRE AND DAPHETID to the Horyuji Temple!
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Do they think that we westerners worshipped the G&D?
Did we?
-Kevin
Living the dream.
BigDaddy The translate box is a Chrome thing, but using any browser, you can copy the real link into the left box at; https://translate.google.com Then click on the right box translation
The translate box is a Chrome thing, but using any browser, you can copy the real link into the left box at;
https://translate.google.com
Then click on the right box translation
Okay. Thank you. Now I only have to figure out what a "#8 American sewing machine" is.
Henry
COB Potomac & Northern
Shenandoah Valley
maxmanMaybe if someone tells us how to translate the page.
I'm using Chrome, and when I open his link, there is a box in the upper right corner that lets you translate. I'm thinking it's a Chrome thing? I haven't tried it Fire Fox or IE. I switched to Chrome a couple of weeks ago, and this site, Photo Bucket, and all others work great!
Mike.
My You Tube
mbinsewiI'm sure others in here will be interested in this.
Maybe if someone tells us how to translate the page....................
Great picture. The condition of the locomotives is something. I love the narrative under the picture, especially describing "With model fans over a certain age,-----"
I'm sure others in here will be interested in this.
Thank you,
Do you know that 3 John Allen's locomotives have come to Japan? It is said that Kenichi Matsumoto was entrusted with repair. Look at about a quarter from the top of this homepage.