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Filosophy Phriday- Just how Anal Are You, Or Do You Prefer The Word Meticulous?

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Filosophy Phriday- Just how Anal Are You, Or Do You Prefer The Word Meticulous?
Posted by BATMAN on Friday, February 15, 2019 2:41 PM

Ok, I admit it I am somewhat anal when it comes to a few things but mostly a really laid back guy about most things in my day to day life. However, when I am playing with my trains and my Bachmann 4-4-0 grinds to a halt or all of a sudden a track problem raises its ugly head or a coupler fails, THAT"S IT! All playing stops until such problem is identified and rectified unless parts need to be ordered. Being my only company in the trainroom, I don't tick anyone else off by halting operations to tackle the problem.

I don't like clutter, things do get a little messy on a project but the trainroom office/desk is clean before the next project begins. I am mostly a one project at a time kind of guy but always seem to have more than one thing on the go. Usually, because I am waiting for parts.

Do you need to resolve layout issues right away to the point of stopping all traffic/play on the layout?

Do you hate clutter?

Does the layout bench need to be free of tools or any object that doesn't belong in the scene, even if it only a sea of pink?

Do you have a place for everything and everything in its place?

Does your yard have all the boxcars on one track, tank cars on another, flat cars on yet another? Yes, I have seen this.

 I am sure there are many other MRR obsessions out there, so let's hear about them. How about it what kind of modeler are you? Let's see that dirty laundry.Laugh

 

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Posted by BNSF UP and others modeler on Friday, February 15, 2019 2:50 PM

I will pass somethig down real fast if it doesn't have something to scale, e.g. handrails. Unless I got it for free or don't have enough information to make an educated choice... Call me picky, but I like to put the "model" in model railraiding. Maybe to an extreme...Big Smile

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Posted by PRR8259 on Friday, February 15, 2019 2:54 PM

I've learned that nothing on this earth is perfect, and although I try to make minor repairs to engines and rolling stock when necessary, there is a point of diminishing returns where I have to stop or else I may do more harm than good.

I try to keep my favorite engines looking as best as possible, and I keep them on high shelves away from visiting children and our kitten.

The other stuff, I assume, will eventually get broken, though I am careful to inspect and repair minor issues on freight cars, too.

If I get a nos engine off Ebay, and it's missing a few pieces, I contact the manufacturer for parts, or most recently, in the case of a Kodachrome SD45T-2, already made my own wire repair using a Precision Scale brass EMD stanchion and piano wire.  Now I have to find a close shade of yellow paint.  The stanchion I used is not exactly the right one, because the SD45T-2 has a couple special stanchions unique to it, and this is one of those, but I got the closest one I could find available and went with it.  Once painted, most will never notice the difference, but I know and that will bother me. 

However, this will be my favorite engine, too, because I fixed it up and it'll look good enough for me.  I have a very nearly perfect Kodachrome SD45T-2 on hand, and am picking up another road number of the same thing on Sunday, but I'm prouder of the one I repaired, which won't look bad either.

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Friday, February 15, 2019 2:59 PM

Well, I am insane.

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Some things I am as anal as can be.

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On other things, I have a devil-may-care attitude.

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For example... I will never have an anchronism on my layout. If it did not exist in August, 1954, it will not be there.

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However, My layout is in a world of nonsense, so things that NEVER existed are OK.

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I am full of internal contradictions.

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I still manage to smile and enjoy every day.

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Posted by IRONROOSTER on Friday, February 15, 2019 3:09 PM

BATMAN
Do you need to resolve layout issues right away to the point of stopping all traffic/play on the layout?

No.  I fix somethings, usually if the track is involved, but others I'll put car, locomotive, etc aside until later.

BATMAN
Do you hate clutter? Does the layout bench need to be free of tools or any object that doesn't belong in the scene, even if it only a sea of pink?

I try to keep everything somewhat cleaned up.  But I do keep a bunch of tools on the work desk in tool holders, cups, etc.

BATMAN
Do you have a place for everything and everything in its place?

No.  Many things have a drawer or shelf to reside on, but others are just hanging out on a shelf or table until I find a better place for them.

BATMAN
Does your yard have all the boxcars on one track, tank cars on another, flat cars on yet another?

I have never done this.  It sounds more like a display than a layout.

BATMAN
I am sure there are many other MRR obsessions out there, so let's hear about them. How about it what kind of modeler are you?

I guess I have a more casual approach to the hobby.  My answer to not keeping everything in it's place is to have more than one.  That way I can find one them when I need it.

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Posted by wvg_ca on Friday, February 15, 2019 3:11 PM

i get by with a great deal of things ...

but i have a hard time with 'clutter'

don't tolerate it very well at all ..

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Posted by BRAKIE on Friday, February 15, 2019 3:26 PM

I'm a relaxed modeler but,hate clutter and the need to do rework especially decal and  track work since that leads to wasted money..

I'm very anal about derailments since I strive for 100% trouble free operation.

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Posted by mbinsewi on Friday, February 15, 2019 3:27 PM

So I don't have to type everything all over again,

I'm like Paul (Ironrooster)

Just about all replies would be a "ditto" to what he has already said. Smile, Wink & Grin

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Posted by BigDaddy on Friday, February 15, 2019 3:32 PM

I'm very anal about some things, but I didn't get the organization gene.

Just call me Mr. Clutter.

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Posted by dknelson on Friday, February 15, 2019 5:10 PM

Anal?  No.  Retentive? Oh yeah.  Angel

I used to have a firm rule - one darn project at a time.  And I held to it, in a mildly anal way.   If I was building a kit but noticed a loose gutter or downspout on a structure, the kit would come first, the gutter could and did wait.  I had laser focus on the task at hand.  Now it seems I am as easily distracted as a child or a kitten. 

I was building a difficult kit this January at the workbench, but noticed a structure kit and a similar built up kit placed on the layout where I intended the eventual complete structure (house) kitbashed from kit and built up to go.  But there was no urgency -- it was a "someday I gotta get to this" project.  So of course I opened the kit, started measuring for the kitbash, and even took the zona saw to the built up.  But then I noticed a subroadbed issue I had been putting off on the other side of the room.  Distraction.  Then I remembered a clinic on junctions I intend to give and started to rummage through boxes of "props" and began writing notes.  Then my new Dremel tool arrived.  Then I had a sudden urge to organize all the 35mm slides I ever took at Joliet IL.

All sense of priority ... gone.  Everything is equally pressing and what is worse, it all seems urgent even though it isn't. 

As far as clutter goes, projects from the workbench migrate to the layout because I like the working height better.  Clutter was totally keeping me from attending to some track laying needs so in a sudden burst of energy I cleaned up the worst of it.  BUT -- that in turn spawned still other distracting projects.  Like who makes the after market parts for the old Ulrich tractor trailers that I found while looking for something else?

Yes I finally did finish that difficult kit on the workbench.  But not before other projects started to muscle their way onto the same workbench ... suddenly and out of nowhere it became intolerable to me to have ore jennies that had the wrong wheelbase trucks, knowing that a bag full of the correct 5' wheelbase trucks from Walthers was on a shelf.  I guess you could call that anal except that the reason the ore jennies were unpacked is because I noticed they all had the same number and needed to be renumbered.  So I was distracted from my anal tendencies by still other such tendencies.  

And a few years ago I could not have cared less about duplicate numbers.   

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Posted by Erie1951 on Friday, February 15, 2019 5:28 PM

I like the word "meticulous", but perhaps "through" describes my approach to the hobby. My rolling stock models have complete brake rigging as a standard where possible following prototype info. I also use photos to make certain that all models have the correct paint and lettering, details, etc. If a prototype shows a detail lacking from a kit or RTR car, I'll add it. I purchase only cars with separate grabs and ladders and upgrade those details if not correct for the model, too. A bit anal to some, but I set a high bar for myself when it comes to this part of the hobby. Smile, Wink & Grin

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Friday, February 15, 2019 7:34 PM

When it comes to the final product, final result, I can be called a "neurotic perfectionist from hell", but in how I get there, not so much - work benches, and work sites often cluttered, but cleaned up every so often.

In the end I like things well organized, but have come to realize that too much obsession with that along the way can paralize progess.

I am seldom in any kind of "rush", so I seldom break things by accident.

I was taught early to have respect for what myself or others had worked hard to build or purchase - so I can be fussy about how things are cared for.

My modeling style was once very much rivet counter style, but no longer.

Now I'm more about the overall "impression", and close enough is "close enough".

But you won't find too many anachronisms, unless you are really a history/technology nerd of the highest order..............

And, somewhat like Kevin, I freely write my own "plausable" history, that many people never notice as not being fact.......

My layout world is a somewhat happier place than real life. I have little to no interest in modeling tragety, crime, poverty, extreme decay, etc.

Does all this make me eccentric enough?

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Friday, February 15, 2019 7:50 PM

ATLANTIC CENTRAL
My layout world is a somewhat happier place than real life. I have little to no interest in modeling tragety, crime, poverty, extreme decay, etc.

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Thumbs up to that. I did a lot of research into 1954, and I found out it was a very ugly time. My layout will reflect what my uncles have told me about 1954 looking back through their rose colored glasses.

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My layout will be quite a happy place, if not the least bit historically accurate to the period.

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Friday, February 15, 2019 8:08 PM

SeeYou190

 

 
ATLANTIC CENTRAL
My layout world is a somewhat happier place than real life. I have little to no interest in modeling tragety, crime, poverty, extreme decay, etc.

 

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Thumbs up to that. I did a lot of research into 1954, and I found out it was a very ugly time. My layout will reflect what my uncles have told me about 1954 looking back through their rose colored glasses.

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My layout will be quite a happy place, if not the least bit historically accurate to the period.

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-Kevin

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Kevin,

Agreed.

As a student of history, I have come to realize that every point in history has its beauty and its ugly.

Some people look at the world and only see what is wrong, others only see what is right, and still others have some sense of balance.

But for the purposes of model railroading, we really need not focus too much on the ugly.

Fact - railroading has always been a dangerous, dirty business, but the 1950's was a time of fresh paint, new equipment, fresh ideas (diesels, piggyback, mechanical reefers, etc), reconstruction, and renewed optimism for the railroads, even if it all did not pan out as hoped.

But in 1954 we did not know the future, so we did not know what would, and would not, happen in the 60's......

And as I think you know, I model 1954 as well.

Sheldon

    

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Posted by UNCLEBUTCH on Friday, February 15, 2019 8:29 PM

Only two rules on my RR;Nothing built after Jan. 1 1960, and it has to be believeable.

If ''it'' does what it's intended to do.[bench work, wireing, ect] there is no reason to go further. Over thinkers over builders tend to annoy me. But I try hard to not say anything

As to clutter; even brain surgery will leave a mess.

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Posted by Pruitt on Friday, February 15, 2019 9:23 PM

Regarding the ugliness of the real world...

My layout includes the branch line from Frannie to Cody Wyoming. Along this branch was a temporary station that existed during WWII - right in my modeled era. It was called Vocation. It was razed in 1946/47.

Vocation was the stop for the Heart Mountain Japanese Internment Camp.

Generally the dark side of life does not intrude on my modeling, but for some reason I can't explain, I feel compelled to include Vocation on my layout. 

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Posted by MisterBeasley on Friday, February 15, 2019 10:17 PM

Track is the one thing I strive to make perfect.  I hate derailments.

I only allow clutter where I'm actively working on the layout, like where there is visible pink foam.

I take cars or engines off the layout if they need repair, but I might not get to them for a while.

Wiring I fix immediately.

It takes an iron man to play with a toy iron horse. 

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Posted by Graffen on Saturday, February 16, 2019 5:48 AM

It's kind of hard admitting your mental health flaws...

I know that I can get a bit manic and have to finish a build, which makes sleeping unnecessary...Indifferent

I can't build anything to a good enough standard, but always have to surpass my earlier efforts.

Sure, RTR track looks very nice, but I hand lay mine... Why make it easier? Stick out tonguej

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Posted by gregc on Saturday, February 16, 2019 8:07 AM

BATMAN
I am mostly a one project at a time kind of guy but always seem to have more than one thing on the go.

in college i learned that it was good to have multiple projects so that when one becomes frustrating or bogged down because you don't know how to proceed, you can be productive on a different project.

BATMAN
Do you need to resolve layout issues right away to the point of stopping all traffic/play on the layout?

as i've gotten older, i've learned to take care of things immediately, before I forget and that no one else is likely to take care of it.

BATMAN
Do you hate clutter?

i'm a Felix Unger believing that if you keep things neat you have more room and can find things quickly (and need to do less vacuuming).

BATMAN
Does your yard have all the boxcars on one track, tank cars on another, flat cars on yet another?

isn't each yard track for a different destination?

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Posted by Lone Wolf and Santa Fe on Saturday, February 16, 2019 1:34 PM

BATMAN
Do you need to resolve layout issues right away to the point of stopping all traffic/play on the layout?

If there is a problem with the track then just like the real thing I fix it right away.

BATMAN
Do you hate clutter?

Indeed. I can't stand it. I like everything neat and tidy. Whether you are rich or poor a tidy home will impress visitors.

BATMAN
Does the layout bench need to be free of tools or any object that doesn't belong in the scene, even if it only a sea of pink?

Yes that is one of my main rules: Nothing on the layout except for the models, ever!

BATMAN
Do you have a place for everything and everything in its place?

Indeed, organization is the key to success. I have no time to search for something that didn't get put away and I don't really enjoy buying something that I already have just because I misplaced it.

BATMAN
Does your yard have all the boxcars on one track, tank cars on another, flat cars on yet another? Yes, I have seen this.

No because that is not realistic. The track that a car is on is determined by it's destination.

 

 

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Posted by Wolf359 on Saturday, February 16, 2019 2:14 PM

BATMAN

 However, when I am playing with my trains and my Bachmann 4-4-0 grinds to a halt or all of a sudden a track problem raises its ugly head or a coupler fails, THAT"S IT! All playing stops until such problem is identified and rectified unless parts need to be ordered. Being my only company in the trainroom, I don't tick anyone else off by halting operations to tackle the problem.

 

 

 

 

That is me to a T. Case in point, I totally disassembled my Rivarossi Big Boy several days ago, and spent about two days tuning up the drive train after I discovered a bind in the drive wheels. A problem like that is something that drives me crazy until I find the source of the problem and can fix it.Bang Head So, you are not alone.

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Posted by dehusman on Saturday, February 16, 2019 2:38 PM

Lone Wolf and Santa Fe
BATMANDoes your yard have all the boxcars on one track, tank cars on another, flat cars on yet another? Yes, I have seen this.

No because that is not realistic. The track that a car is on is determined by it's destination.

If the reason that all the cars of one type are on one track is because you are "anal", then its not realistic.  

On the other hand, it is very possible to end up with all one type of car on many tracks.  I worked at a yard where it was common to have tracks of all one type of car.  We had a SIT yard that stored plastic, an auto ramp just south of the yard, a line that went into central Texas where they loaded aggregate and a line that went to the Gulf coast where there were a gazillion chemical plants.  It was quite common to have a track of covvered hoppers for the SIT switcher, a track of auto racks for the auto ramp job, a track of empty gons for the train toward Austin and track of tank cars for a train going to the chemical coast.  

At Pine Bluff we had solid tracks of 50 ft IPD boxcars for paper loading.

It is possible to have several tracks of one car type.

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Posted by RR_Mel on Saturday, February 16, 2019 3:40 PM

I would think everyone is a bit anal about something.  With me I guess it’s my model railroad, not trains just my own goodies.  My work interfered with my model railroading so not much was accomplished while I was working.  Work was very demanding my entire career being on call 24/7.  When I retired after working in electronics and two way radio communications for 49 year and 10 months I have spent 11 years trying to catch up for lost time.  I spend almost all of my time working on my workbench or my layout so I would say that there is a bit of OCD in me, model railroading is my thing.
 
I hate waiting on anything, I’m very impatient!  Don’t like waiting for paint or glue to dry and waiting on parts orders is the worst.
 
As for clutter, I’m the KING, I hate it but it’s me.  To make things even worse I’m super clumsy and when I’m at my best the explicatives really fly.
 
After writing this I realized it’s time to try and clean up my workbench, its here somewhere.
 
 
 
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Posted by Wolf359 on Saturday, February 16, 2019 4:01 PM

RR_Mel

 
I hate waiting on anything, I’m very impatient!  Don’t like waiting for paint or glue to dry and waiting on parts orders is the worst.
 
 

 

This is also me to a T. Which is a reason I like brick and mortar hobby shops.

 

RR_Mel

 To make things even worse I’m super clumsy and when I’m at my best the explicatives really fly.

 
 

 
 
 
I'm not clumsy, but when things don't go right and refuse to go right no matter what I do I've been know to turn the air blue. I like to call those explicatives "sentence enhancers", LOL.
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Posted by Track fiddler on Saturday, February 16, 2019 5:19 PM

No comment..................Zip it!   

I'm guilty of this, ..... my dad was a Marine Sergeant

For the most part,  I try not to be too meticulous about anything.  I must admit,  most of time I am.

I do not let anal retentiveness get in the way of my hobby and having fun though.

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Posted by BATMAN on Saturday, February 16, 2019 7:06 PM

RR_Mel
I hate waiting on anything, I’m very impatient!  Don’t like waiting for paint or glue to dry

I don't mind waiting for glue or paint to dry. I just pick up these while I am waiting.Laugh They are in the trainroom.

  

 

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Posted by PRR8259 on Saturday, February 16, 2019 7:17 PM

My train room is the children's play room, and the one boy's trumpet practice room.  There is an electric keyboard on my small work area, which was the desk from my childhood furniture set...it is somewhat beat.  The layout is basically an along the walls folded dogbone, so the play area is available for other things.

I need to be careful where I walk, due to kids' clutter, and I have to not fumble the engine or car I'm carrying when I do walk.  Gotta be the good hands team.

I once dropped an Atlas Reading C424, in box, and it was totalled.  Otherwise, I'm very careful not to drop anything.

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Posted by Track fiddler on Saturday, February 16, 2019 7:23 PM

BATMAN

 

 
RR_Mel
I hate waiting on anything, I’m very impatient!  Don’t like waiting for paint or glue to dry

 

I don't mind waiting for glue or paint to dry. I just pick up these while I am waiting.Laugh They are in the trainroom.

  

 

 

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Posted by "JaBear" on Saturday, February 16, 2019 9:07 PM
Hmm Anal? Meticulous? Hmmmm!
I see Sheldon asks if he’s eccentric enough?”, and to quote Graffen, It's kind of hard admitting your mental health flaws”, so that is why I refer to myself simply as “Nutter”.

For someone who models a fictional mid 1950’s small Class 1 railroad which runs between Virginia and Michigan, is prepared to scratch build off a photo (s), and a firm believer in the “Looks About Right” philosophy, I find myself questioning my decisions, ability, and efforts far more than, I’m sure, is healthy in a hobby were “Having Fun” is a major prerequisite. Bang HeadBang HeadSigh

BATMAN
Do you hate clutter? ...Do you have a place for everything and everything in its place?

If making a mess was a university degree, then I’d, with  negligable study, be a “Doctor of Mess”, but I while I don’t tolerate mess in my day job, I am easier on myself regarding my hobby work bench. (probably not a good thing.)

Thanks for a Philosophy Friday topic, Batman.

Cheers, the Bear.Smile

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Posted by hon30critter on Saturday, February 16, 2019 9:24 PM

Brent, you are about to embarass me!

This is the current state of my workbench! YES, things are out of control!! Too, too, too many projects and no space to store them. I did have some clear space up until a few days ago but then a whole bunch of stuff that I had ordered arrived all at once so that space disappeared pretty quickly.

I have to get off my butt and buy some totes.EmbarrassedTongue TiedSadConfused

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