Heartland Division CB&QDoes the car lean to your side ? .... LOL
why yes, of course!
Edit: I got tops! Put whatever these chowhounds have on my tab, Zoe!
Happy times!
Ulrich (aka The Tin Man)
"You´re never too old for a happy childhood!"
Brrr it is just damp and cold outside.
Give me a chilli dog!
I finally got a radio working after it alluded me for a while. Our snowmaggedon turned to rain yesterday so all we got melted quickly.
i am glad I have a heater in the basement.
This is winter storm Gia. Never met anyone named Gia. We got a solid 6". It was supposed to snow all of today and part of tonight, but we haven't had more than an inch in the last 8 hours, plus it got to 34.
I got everything shoveled and the cars cleaned off but did not go anywhere. Too many idiots want to experience slipping and sliding, not realizing they can slide into you.
Henry
COB Potomac & Northern
Shenandoah Valley
Winter, storm, what are you guys talking about.
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It is 77 degrees outside with clear blue skies.
-Kevin
Living the dream.
SeeYou190 Winter, storm, what are you guys talking about. . It is 77 degrees outside with clear blue skies. . -Kevin .
Yeah but you have palmetto bugs and fire ants.
BigDaddyThis is winter storm Gia. Never met anyone named Gia.
Really, it was given a name?
Stayed just south of us, got as close as 10 miles, and they got about 1/2". Thats as close as I got, other than a few different rail cams I watched.
Mike.
EDIT: I worked for year doing concrete around the Tampa, Cleawater FL. area back when I was crazy, of witch you had to be to do concrete in that weather.
Got back to WI., and never went back, and don't ever plan on it.
My You Tube
Evenin' Folks!!! Heh, heh, heh.....
moelarrycurly4 SeeYou190 Winter, storm, what are you guys talking about. It is 77 degrees outside with clear blue skies. -Kevin Yeah but you have palmetto bugs and fire ants.
SeeYou190 Winter, storm, what are you guys talking about. It is 77 degrees outside with clear blue skies. -Kevin
Not to mention Large Spiders the size of your hand that like to come out at night and crawl around on your bed.......... Don't ask!
Well............ Deep subject! Grin, grin, grin!!!!
I have had a very, very interesting day so far! Why, you ask? Ok, even if you don't ask, I'll tell you. You may remember I mentioned joining a senior dating site online a week and a half back. The one lady I have really gotten to know a bit (we are now chatting on the phone and emailing each other quite a bit) has spent the last several days in Rochester, NY with her sister who is in Strong Hospital. Her sister who lives in PA was driven up to Strong last Thursday by the lady when we were having some terrible weather in the area. Her sister was supposed to be driven back home to PA yesterday, but has been kept in the hospital due to some complications of her aural surgery. So the lady I have been chatting with needed to get back to her home because of some things she had to get done.
I got home from church this morning and decided I needed to get groceries. Got home from that and I have a phone message from the lady saying she was on the thruway and would be going through where I live on her way home and would I like to get together for a cup of coffee and meet each other. I get home and find the message about 15 minutes aftre the time she figured she would be in Geneva... Of ourse that did NOT make me happy, but I called her back to find she had been delayed and was still about 20 miles from the exit on the thruway.
So......... We made plans on the spot to meet each other at a fine local restaurant for a quick snack and to meet each other. Everything went very well and found we both know a lot of the same folks (I taught in the community where she lived way back when). So... the inpromptu "date" went very well. She is very intelligent, involved with organizations that help people, caring, and fun to be around and to talk to, and quite attractive as well!
She is leaving to stay a couple months with her daughter's family in Florida in a couple weeks but she wants to stay in touch while she is away. That is fine with me. I told that she is top of the list of those I have met at the site. She seemed to like that....
Hope all you folks are having a good day or at least a better day than some of you have hed to deal with lately anyway!
73
Ray Seneca Lake, Ontario, and Western R.R. (S.L.O.&W.) in HO
We'll get there sooner or later!
Eveing Diners
Flo, give the gang and I a please.
Steven I am going to give you a short version of what I was posting and hit the wrong button. If I remember right you wanted a 69 Rustang Fast Back right? But you settled on the coupe because it was what you could afford? Well the coupe will more than likely cannot be made in to a fast back. (with repop parts maybe?) Even if it was perfect it still not what you really want.
I am not saying the car could not be fixed up, it can be. I am not saying it should be junked, that would be a shame. Would it be a wast of your money? Well that depends on you and how you grow to feel about the car as you work on it. I take the most pride in the fact I bulit the car's my self. I really enjoy tell them I did all the body work and painted it my self.
With all that being said, did you get any parts with the car? If so let me know what you have and I will help the best I can.
I would never ever take the whole car apart! Do 1 section at a time! I seen to many nice car taken a part then the owner gives up! What bother you the most, that is where I would start. Being a bodyman by trade, well I start on the body from panel replacment or rust repair to painting that part of the car. Yea, after wards you will need to repaint the whole car but seeing part of it in paint will do your sprit some good!
Brent Your friends Bronco did not rust because he had high humidity when he painted it. High humiditiy will cause paint to blush not look as vibrant. Kind of washed out looking. He just did not cut out all the rust, missed what was on the back side. Plus if he used a flame to weld that will oxidize the metal and start all over! I rather use a panel spot welder and glue. Yes, I said glue! Modern glues have cam a long way and is stronger than a weld!
Later, Ken
I hate Rust
Tinplate Toddlerbtw., if I were standing next to you, folks would think we are twins...
Okay then, now I know there are two ugly people in the world! I think you are a few inches taller than I am Ulrich. I'm 6' 2".
Holding the eagle was something that I never imagined I would be able to do. Strike one off the bucket list! I feel sorry that the bird won't have a natural life in the wild, but it is well cared for. I'm sure it would like to soar high into the sky like its brethren but if it didn't come back it would starve. That's why they don't let it fly free. Many of their other captive birds are allowed to fly free but they don't go far and they always come back.
Dave
I'm just a dude with a bad back having a lot of fun with model trains, and finally building a layout!
hon30critterI think you are a few inches taller than I am Ulrich. I'm 6' 2".
Just a couple - I am a little over 6´4" now. I used to be 6´5".
I'm actually pretty happy that I got a coupe, I realized everybody's got a fastback, coupes are cooler.
I got some parts in yeah trunk, it's mostly the windows, mirrors, accessories, ect...
Heres all the rust spots on the car, also I didn't take pictures of them but theres holes from where the vinyl top was originally.
I'd like to put the high mounted fender scoops on it if that'd be possible.
Heres all the rust spots.
http://imgur.com/a/OSDol0i
Steve
If everything seems under control, you're not going fast enough!
Looking at the pictures I am with Kevin - scrap it! If you get that body bead blasted, you´ll find it´s the rust that´s holding it together.
A very belated Happy New Year to you all. Haven't been on for ages but thought I'd drop in for a coffee (regular - cream , no sugar) and a blueberry bagel with cream cheese of course. A lot of familiar faces here but I see the march of time has taken some more of our regulars. Gone but the memories remain for the rest of us.
For those of you I haven't met, I go by J.R. and work as a vintage race car mechanic doing a bunch of race weekends and the attendent travel all over the U.S. More importantly I model the New Haven Railroad roughly in the area I live though no specific era as I have everything from steam to diesel power. After years away, I got back into this in the late 90's when my youngest son displayed an interest. Of course he didn't stay interested for long but I enjoyed the newer models and much improved everything else and kept at it. I lost my first new layout when we had a house fire and started over after we got the house more or less back together (three years it took). We had built a 12 x 24 storage shed for our household stuff during the repair phase and I thought it would make a good train shed though my wife had other ideas and allowed me to use most of the basement instead. I ended up with a U shaped layout with a swing bridge across to complete a loop. I have a balloon track at one end where I have a yard and a double tracked elevated section around most of the perimeter I tried not to make a spaghetti layout but there are a bunch of turnouts especially in the yard. In the mean time work has gotten in the way a lot more than previously and I hardly have time any more. Same with spending time here but i did want to drop in and say hi. Hope y'all are doing well. Cheers, J.R.
NWP SWPHeres all the rust spots.
Have you had a look underneath?
Also, if you don't want more rust, get the debris off of the car and clean out the air intake in front of the windshield pronto! In fact, clean out anything that has built up in any crevice anywhere. It's just holding moisture.
Don't worry about the critics. Live the dream! If it has to sit through college and kids so what. So what if you never get your money out of it. Like Ken says, it will be YOUR car. Besides, it will be worth well more than $12 grand in 20 or 30 years, and it will be priceless if your kids get to own it.
Ken, TF, and Dave, I sent you PMs.
J.R. nice to meet you, I'm Steven, one of the younger guys here, I'll be 18 on the 28th of this month.
I sent you a PM too, seems the Scrap Society is collecting metal for the war effort or something! Everyone thinks I should scrap my 69 stang project car.
Steven,
Good to make your acquaintance. Since I make my living restoring old cars I am for sure not in favour of scrapping old cars of almost any description. They aren't making any more of them after all. Most every part for those Mustangs are available and the only constraints will be your budget and patience. The previous advice to tackle structurals first following a thorough clean up is right on. Especially if you are learning as you go, doing the underpinnings first is a good idea as it doesnt show too much. Most important as has already been said is to make all the rust go away and properly prep the new and old metal on both sides to seal the steel from weather. Tons of work but so long as you don't bite off more than you can do at one time it will work.
NWP SWPKen, TF, and Dave, I sent you PMs.
I'll state the same thing that I said in my response to your PM. Find out how rusty the car really is. Find someone with a goose neck camera so you can see inside the body and the roof. I don't like the look of the rust around the windshield. If the structure is shot you will spend a fortune just repairing that. Bondo won't protect you in a roll over.
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hon30critter I don't like the look of the rust around the windshield. If the structure is shot you will spend a fortune just repairing that. Bondo won't protect you in a roll over.
I "second" that !
From the look's of the driver's side A pillar, Bondo is NOT going to fix that.
But, I too believe, that it's not a lost cause. But, it will be a hard road to make the structure around the windshield usable.
P.S. It's a MUSTANG !!!!! Scrapping it would be a Sin !
Rust...... It's a good thing !
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It works!
Cool picture! Cool job too, although I bet the travelling can get tedious after a while.
I am sorry, but I can´t believe what I am reading here!
How can anyone seriously suggest to a not even 18-year old kid to embark on a car restoration project, for which he does not have the facilities, the equipment and tools, the skill and the money to do a proper job and put a safe car back on the road again? If Steven were my son, I´d tell him to get his priorities straightened out and put all of his efforts into his education instead of dumping his time and money he has yet to earn into a project he will most likely not finish and which means eventually a 5-digit figure loss for him.
Getting that car back on the road is a pro´s job! `Nuff said!
Tinplate ToddlerI am sorry, but I can´t believe what I am reading here! How can anyone seriously suggest to a not even 18-year old kid to embark on a car restoration project, for which he does not have the facilities, the equipment and tools, the skill and the money to do a proper job and put a safe car back on the road again?
You have two choices as a parent. Encourage your kids to pursue their dreams, or tell them they are reaching too high. The first risks failure. The second guarantees it.
hon30critter You have two choices as a parent. Encourage your kids to pursue their dreams, or tell them they are reaching too high. The first risks failure. The second guarantees it. Dave
If Steven were to make his livelyhood from being a car restoration guy, I´d say go for it. But he intends to go to college and further his education, so that´s where his priorities should be. Furthermore, looking at his past in this forum, he seems to be a guy that puts too many things on his plate, with the risks of getting lost on the way. None of the plans and projects he advertised here finally materialized.
Effectively your telling him to go ahead and restore that car, get a college education, start a family, earn the money for the restoration project and college and a family, just to find out he will make a loss, should he decide to sell the car.
I think this is a recipe for a complete failure.
Before things get too hot, I get out of this discussion - I have said what I had to say.
Tinplate ToddlerEffectively your telling him to go ahead and restore that car, get a college education, start a family, earn the money for the restoration project and college and a family
I don't think that that is what I suggested he do. I told him to not give up on his dreams. I also told him in my PM to him to do his research before spending any more money on the car.
We learn from our failures Ulrich. Denying him the opportunity to fail is the same as telling him to never try to succeed.
I am the first person who should be trying to dissuade Steven from persuing the car of his dreams. My son Glenn said from a very early age that he wanted to own a Porshe. His first car was a Porshe and I helped him to buy it. The fact that he killed himself in it two weeks later in an act of total stupidity is a truly regrettable turn of fate but I would never have denied him the opportunity to pursue his goals.
Of course you should encourage your kid to follow his dreams but offer him the guidance to achieve them. Steven should have decided by now where he wants to be in 10 or 20 years and what it will take to get there. How much do welders, grinders and all the other tools not to mention parts cost to get on with the project? Unless education is free he should be working his butt off and saving for school.
At 17 he has bought tires and a cell phone on credit. I would have given my kid holy hockey sticks if he had ever done that and pointed to the six bikes in the garage.
Sure kid, go for it! Or maybe become an aeronautical engineer first.
Brent
"All of the world's problems are the result of the difference between how we think and how the world works."
hon30critterDenying him the opportunity to fail is the same as telling him to never try to succeed.
Helping make the right decisions by guiding him means not denying him the opportunity to fail, but helping him to succeed.
I guess we have quite different views on this, so let´s rest the case.
Tinplate ToddlerHelping make the right decisions by guiding him means not denying him the opportunity to fail, but helping him to succeed. I guess we have quite different views on this, so let´s rest the case.
I really don't think our views are so different Ulrich. None the less, the discussion has become a bit boisterous so you are right. Perhaps we should let it rest.
I still love all you guys!!!
Having different views and being able to talk about them is the essence of life! Even if so important issues, like HO vs. N scale, DCC or DC, sound or no sound are to be talked about!!
I am spending a little bit of my time dwelling in my past as a model railroader. I unearthed a picture of the first layout I built after a 25 + year hiatus from the hobby.
The layout was meant to prove that I "still had it" and it served its purpose well! After a few years I sold it to make way for a more refined narrow gauge layout.
Edit: Winter has finally arrived at our doorstep! The day started out bright and sunny, but cold - now we are in the midst of a veritable snow storm!
Tinplate ToddlerHow can anyone seriously suggest to a not even 18-year old kid to embark on a car restoration project, for which he does not have the facilities, the equipment and tools, the skill and the money to do a proper job and put a safe car back on the road again? If Steven were my son, I´d tell him to get his priorities straightened out and put all of his efforts into his education instead of dumping his time and money he has yet to earn into a project he will most likely not finish
I agree 100% with this. This whole idea that Steven can fix that heap is ridiculous.
We all learned about cars when we were young. My dad was a gear head rodder from the 50's. When I bought my 1966 Mercury S55, he was there to help and guide me through the fix-up process.
Of corse, in 1983 the car was only 17 year old. Parts were still available at NAPA for it. Ford still stocked parts like the turn signal switch. Plus... It was a complete and running car when I bought it. That is how we learned about cars. Fix what broke.
How many people here encouraging this nonsense "learned about cars" by taking a basket case and building a pristine show car from it?
I don't know. Maybe Steven is the next Arnold Cunningham, and he and his "good hands" will have that junker up to perfect condition in time for the big game. He can probably find all the parts he needs in the scrap pile behind Darnell's garage.
Wait, that car ran when Arnie bought it. Steven has an even bigger job in front of him than Arnie did.
hon30critterYou have two choices as a parent. Encourage your kids to pursue their dreams, or tell them they are reaching too high. The first risks failure. The second guarantees it.
We are not talking about Steven's desire to become a lawyer and eventually get a nomination to the Supreme Court. That is a dream that has no down-side to encouragement.
We are talking about a fool hardy adventure into waste. This is something the adults should be advising the child against doing. Learning from your failures is the dumb way. Anyone can learn from failure. Smart people learn from other people's failures, and geniuses learn how to avoid failure.
Parents need to guide their children. It is not about encouaging or crushing dreams.
Steven has not mentioned much about how his parents feel about this car.
Something else... CAR REPAIR IS DANGEROUS! We know from Steven's previous posts on the subject he does not have a good mentor available to help him. He has tried dangerous procedures in this arena before, and I had to speak up and tell him to stop. Without a proper mentor this project is going to fail, and I see a trip to the emergency room in the future.
I have encouraged Steven to dip his toe into auto repair before. I told him should repair the timing chain and cover on his truck himself. That is an easy repair. That is a good starting place. A Chilton Manual and $200.00 worth of Craftsman tools and he could get it done.
He said no.
My nephew had a dream to become a Football Quarterback in the NFL. His parents spent a fortune in time and money supporting that "dream" he had. Now he is 23 and works on a landscaping crew. He is built for physical work, so it suits him. Good job there mom & dad. If they would have put all that football money into a college savings fund, he could be doing anything now.
Failing at impossible dreams is inevitable. Encouraging people to continue chasing unicorns is bad.
My parents did not encourage my dream, I defied them and chased it anyway, and I am doing fine. However, they were right to encourage me to take the smarter path. I knew where I wanted to go, and now I am happy. They would have been foolish to encourage me to go where I wanted to.
Once again, the forum has become about Steven and one of his dream projects. I don't know why we are discussing this. The car restoration project will never get more than 5% done, if it even starts. This will join all the other projects we have discussed in here.