I got interrupted on my last post.
The first restoration my friend did was on a Bronco around 1980. He dismantled it and welded and welded until every bit of rust was gone. He had a good job and bought all the tools he would need welders, painting equipment, didn't go cheap and he still has it all some 40 years later.
His first paint job was on this Bronco he had spent months on and it was looking like new again. The West Coast can have some pretty high humidity days and he was told to get some dehumidifiers for his garage before he started painting. He didn't listen as his garage was warm and dry and he wasn't a guy that understood basic climatology. The humidity level was important in the paint booth (his Garage)
The Bronco came off the rebuild line and looked incredible after the two years he had spent on it. A shiny red sports model with new chrome trim recovered seats, it was like new, even had a new soft top sewn up at a custom place. 18 Months later the rust was coming through his new paint. Not a big book reader my friend, if he had been he would have read about humidity in the paint shop. He now has a shop full of books and his glasses on his head for easy access to look in the books. He still shakes his head when we talk about that first Bronco, he learned a tough expensive (time-wise) lesson.
Another Bronco he custom built from the ground up. I went down to Las Vegas with him to haul back a fiberglass tubbed out body that he built into an awesome looking mud runner. The cost of just going down to get the thing was a lot. Meals, hotels cost of moving all that metal up and down the interstate. The fiberglass body cost was jaw-dropping. I think he got 10% back on what he spent after he kept it a few years. Loves his hobby but it cost money.
Brent
"All of the world's problems are the result of the difference between how we think and how the world works."
Howdy ....
Everybody: Is anyone planning to go to the 150th anniversary of the Golden Spike in Utah on May 10? I am
Speaking of Texas, I am thinking of Texas Type steam locomotives. .... 2-10-4 .... They were capable of hauling heavy freight trains. ... CB&Q had them, and they were used for hauling coal from Southern Illinois coal fields. (Maybe, they should be called Illinois Type locomotives. LOL)
Ken .... That is a lot of snow. ..... Here we have rain.
NWP-SWP .... An idea is to auction the old Mustang on Ebay.... YPossibly, you could get more money than scrap value.
Brent ... Thank you for posting the Houston freight yard video. .
GARRY
HEARTLAND DIVISION, CB&Q RR
EVERYWHERE LOST; WE HUSTLE OUR CABOOSE FOR YOU
NWP SWPAlso scrapping the car would be quite blasphemous,
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Steven, You literally here have no idea what you are talking about. You cannot even imagine the work that needs to be done on the brakes and suspension.
And... say you do get it perfect... you still have an outdated, unsafe, miserable car. Get a new V6 mustang convertable... they are affordable, and they are safe. Oh, and girls love them!
A red convertible can help you on that quest for those kids you want.
Your kids are going to be driven around by their autonomous hotels on wheels.
-Kevin
Living the dream.
Kevin .... Apparently, you like red vehicles.
SeeYou190 . Your kids are going to be driven around by their autonomous hotels on wheels.
There's that guy again, photobombing that beautiful Mustang. Last time it was a steam engine if I recall.
Steven, by the time you have kids it will be illegal to drive your own vehicle. I'm not sure how that will affect going into the backcountry, something I love to do in the truck.
Edit; Rented a red Mustang last time we were in Hawaii, it was governed. GRRRRRR! Back to a Jeep next time.
Garry I actually purchased the car through eBay back when I was 13 (saved up and bought it for 500 bucks) it's been under a tarp for the past 5 years, I definitely would get at least scrap value or more on there, another thing is when you go looking for 69 mustangs on eBay for example 90% of them are Fastbacks because not many people restore coupes due to the favorablility of fastbacks/sports roofs, no matter what the car is a peice if history and definitely should definitely not be scrapped, at least not by anybody in their right mind.
Liken it to this a steam locomotive has a lot of scrap value, little to no resale value, and costs a boatload of money to restore, should it be saved or scrapped?
All hobbies cost money, one could easily spend 50k in this one and have just as much to show as one whom invests that into a car.
And a Mustang isn't worth the gas it burns if it ain't got a V8.
I'm not talking about dropping 50k tomorrow on the car, but I can work on it here and there.
I rest my case.
P.S. in case you haven't got the memo yet, I am NOT getting rid of the 'stang, it costs me nothing to have it parked, and it definitely doesn't cost you anything.
P.S., P.S. I highly doubt the world will be taken over by self driving/autonomous cars anytime in the next few decades, maybe when I'm an old geezer, maybe... remember in the 80s we thought by 2015 we'd be riding around in autonomous hover cars!
Steve
If everything seems under control, you're not going fast enough!
Heartland Division CB&QKevin .... Apparently, you like red vehicles.
With the exception of my first Mustang (Grabber Blue), and my F150 (Blue and White), every verhicle we have owned has been either red or maroon.
Yes... Red is the way to go!
Hi all,
Had my 4-H presentations today, I did mine on model railroad scenery. Went skiing after, I am now exausted.
Harrison
Homeschooler living In upstate NY a.k.a Northern NY.
Modeling the D&H in 1978.
Route of the famous "Montreal Limited"
My YouTube
NWP SWP Garry I actually purchased the car through eBay back when I was 13 (saved up and bought it for 500 bucks) it's been under a tarp for the past 5 years, I definitely would get at least scrap value or more on there, another thing is when you go looking for 69 mustangs on eBay for example 90% of them are Fastbacks because not many people restore coupes due to the favorablility of fastbacks/sports roofs, no matter what the car is a peice if history and definitely should definitely not be scrapped, at least not by anybody in their right mind. Liken it to this a steam locomotive has a lot of scrap value, little to no resale value, and costs a boatload of money to restore, should it be saved or scrapped? All hobbies cost money, one could easily spend 50k in this one and have just as much to show as one whom invests that into a car. And a Mustang isn't worth the gas it burns if it ain't got a V8. I'm not talking about dropping 50k tomorrow on the car, but I can work on it here and there. I rest my case. P.S. in case you haven't got the memo yet, I am NOT getting rid of the 'stang, it costs me nothing to have it parked, and it definitely doesn't cost you anything. P.S., P.S. I highly doubt the world will be taken over by self driving/autonomous cars anytime in the next few decades, maybe when I'm an old geezer, maybe... remember in the 80s we thought by 2015 we'd be riding around in autonomous hover cars!
You know if Steven wants to work on the 'stang as his project, why not? It is not our money or our car.
So what if he doesn't know what he is doing at this moment. That is how one learns.
How did I learn how to fix my own cars? by doing. I should get rid of my 22 year old Saturn, but I keep it going, it i a matter to see how long it wil last now.
I learned things I did not know what I was doing by taking the plunge and doing it.
Now if it were me I would get all the mechanical up and going on the car before doing any body, as pointed out the suspension is shot. I imagine the brake lines are rusted out. I would be replacing all brake parts ( wheel cylinders, lines, master cylinder. I don't know if that has a vacuum boster on it or not for the brakes. )
Howdy
NWP SWP ... Maybe I misunderstood. If you want to restore an old car as a hobby, then you should be encouraged to work on this car because that is the one you selected . .... Actually , I still have an old car to play with. It is a 1984 Porsche. It always has problems . It seems like each time I correct a problem , two more problems happen. Oh well.
I made a new friend today! Very nice manners.
That's me in the black hat.
This three year old bald eagle is a permanent resident at the Wye Marsh Conservation Area in Midland, Ontario. It is blind in one eye so it couldn't survive in the wild. It weighs 12 lbs. and the wingspan is almost as wide as I am tall. It was found starving on the Ottawa River when it was quite young. Next year it will start to get its white plumage.
The Conservation Area has about 20 captive birds of prey, all disabled to the point where they wouldn't survive if released. Some of them have physical problems like the snowy owl with a broken flight bone (I think that's what they called it) which makes it barely able to fly. Some of them have no physical problems but were raised as pets so they never learned to fend for themselves. They have a turkey vulture that suffered that fate. It was given up by its would be owners after a very short stay because of its natural habits. For example, it constantly picks its own nose to keep its nostrils clean so it can detect carrion. Also, its only defense mechanism is projectile vomiting! You can imagine what getting barfed on by an animal that eats rotting meat would be like!
These birds are all deliberately habituated to man. That is the only way that they can keep them stimulated. Otherwise they would go insane like many captive wild animals do. They are all flown every day, and the keepers will often take them for walks through the conservation area. They let them fly up into the trees and they always come back. Something about easy food! The eagle is the only one they don't let off the tether. They expect it to live for 60 years!
Dave
I'm just a dude with a bad back having a lot of fun with model trains, and finally building a layout!
SeeYou190Steven, You literally here have no idea what you are talking about. You cannot even imagine the work that needs to be done on the brakes and suspension.
Kevin, that's a bit harsh! Steven is quite handy mechanically. I'm pretty sure that he will be able to learn how to do most of the work on the car. Admittedly, some of the lessons will be learned the second time around . Suggesting that he shouldn't attempt it is giving him a real slap in the face.
So what if the car will be a beast to handle? Would you scrap a '57 Chevy because it doesn't handle as well as a 2019 Camero? The '69 Mustang, once restored, will certainly handle better than his pick up truck!
My truck was bit hard to handle at first but I actually prefer its handling over that of the minivan and Mitsubishi, but if you're trying to do a k turn it's like swatting bees trying to turn the wheel all the way around!
Speaking of which I noticed the front wheels on the truck are out of camber, I'm thinking the coils are going, being that it's a twin I beam suspension that's the most likely culprit.
I've got the Chilton book for both the stang and truck, I'll be consulting the truck one on the coil removal and replacement.
Thanks to all for the prayers and kind words, most appreciated.
Jan
NWP SWPSpeaking of which I noticed the front wheels on the truck are out of camber, I'm thinking the coils are going, being that it's a twin I beam suspension that's the most likely culprit.
I'm not sure that weak springs would cause the camber to change. It could be that the I beams are sagging or it could be ball joints or bushings. I have seen a cure for the all too common twin I beam droop which involves jacking the I beams up at the appropriate point and heating them until they literally sag back into shape! I'm not sure how comfortable I would be with doing that these days, but when I was younger......?!? Steven, please don't burn your truck to the ground by trying to follow my advice!
https://www.fordmuscleforums.com/all-ford-techboard/513950-twin-i-beam.html
Dave ... It is good to see the disabled bald eagle rescued and kept safe. There is one close to where we live protected in the Nature Center within Land Betwen the Lakes. It had s broken wing and can not fly. .... in addition, there are some bald eagles we can see from our house which are still healthy and in the wild. Sometimes they catch fish in our lake. Beautiful birds.
Dave yeah that sounds like it would make my dad absolutely thrilled!
My dad is not a mechanically inclined person by any means.
I've been trying out some new apps, one called "Slowly" is a electronic pen pal app where you send letters to other people but it takes a few hours to "mail".
Another is True-Fi which allows professionally tuned equalizer settings for your headphones so your music sounds better. It's really good just a little buggy and needing some more features.
For when I'm riding in the car I have Neutralizer which is basically a equalizer.
I've installed a few others but haven't really used them yet.
Jan, I was sorry to read your loss. My deepest condolences to you and your family.
Kindest regards, Craig the Bear.
PS. I'll have to catch up with the rest of the Diners happenings later.
Thoughts and best Wishes to All that need them.
"One difference between pessimists and optimists is that while pessimists are more often right, optimists have far more fun."
Good Morning!
It´s too close to lunchtime, so I´ll skip my big Sunday breakfast and just go for a mug of coffee, please!
Southern Germany sees a lot of snow these days. Some remote places in Bavaria are cut off and can only be reached by helicopter. Some folks blame the snow masses on the global warming, I just call it "Winter". Up north, all we have is plenty of rain! Quite normal.
The above video shows the rescue of a 2-10-2T steamer, stuck in a snowdrift on top of the Brocken Mountain.
Steven, restoring an old car is quite a task - a lot more than a Saturday afternoon project. It will take years of hard graft and a ton of money to get that thing on the road again, providing you have access to the facilities, the equipment and the tools you need for that sort of job. Don´t forget that it will cost you close to the equivalent of 4 years of college tuition, aside from the time you should better spend with your studies. Is it worth that much? Finally, you are the one to answer that, but in money terms it is certainly not worth the price you will have to pay. 1969 Mustangs in good condition can be had for as "low" as $12k - see here:
https://www.carsforsale.com/vehicle/details/49444980
If I were riding in your saddle, I´d try to sell that car.
Dave - what an impressive bird! Thank you for contributing to the rescue of this majestic representative of its species. Oh, btw., if I were standing next to you, folks would think we are twins...
Happy times!
Ulrich (aka The Tin Man)
"You´re never too old for a happy childhood!"
SeeYou190Scrap it. . For half of what it will cost you to get that heap road ready, you can buy one that someone else already wasted all their money on.
NWP SWPWell aren't you a ray of sunshine... Ken, I look forward to your wisdom.
I've been there. I was "restoring" a 1964 Fleetwood. I had a fairly decent base to start with and I even went to Wisconsin and hauled back a parts doner. I had hundreds of hours into swapping body panels, wiring, suspension and brake parts and one day at w**k a buddy of mine showed me an ad in the "Car Trader" magazine of a '64 Fleetwood in the Cincinnati area. I went to look at it and it was absolutely solid with a recent, decent paint job. He was asking $2400 and he took my offer of $1800! SOLD! A few weeks later I was driving it around town and having fun with it at car shows instead of getting my grease stained, bloody knuckles bandaged up.
I agree with Kevin, Scrap IT (or part it out on Ebay).
I have seen hundreds of these garage projects sit and rot away. Get something that is "street ready" and do little detail projects on it but don't tear it down to the point that you're in over your head.
2¢ 2¢
Kevin, I like your Colorado in the photo. I have an '09 Canyon. Great vehicle!
045 by Edmund, on Flickr
I liked the Burnt Orange or whatever GM calls this color. Cicero used to like to lounge on the "sunroof".
IMG_3737 by Edmund, on Flickr
Good Luck, Ed
Morning all. I got my module to run! First time I ever got any kind of model railroad wiring done!
(My Model Railroad, My Rules)
These are the opinions of an under 35 , from the east end of, and modeling, the same section of the Wheeling and Lake Erie railway. As well as a freelanced road (Austinville and Dynamite City railroad).
gmpullmanKevin, I like your Colorado in the photo.
Mine is a 2008, Victory Red! This truck replaced my 1989 F150 that had 300,000 miles on it.
I got so lucky with this truck. Five of them were ordered for a local auto-paint delivery service that went out of business, then the Chevy dealer had them sitting on the lot, brand new and undesirable, right after the economy crashed.
It had no options. 4 cylinder, 5 speed manual, AM/FM (no CD), crank windows and manual locks. It such a simple and easy to maintain vehicle. My F150 was also a short cab no-option work truck, it did not even have head rests!
I paid less than $15,000.00 total (tax, tag, everything) to get it off the lot, and the dealer put those aluminum wheels on it.
It just turned 150,000 miles, and all that has needed replacing is the clutch (once)and the clutch position sensor (3 times). When the clutch position sensor fails, cruise control stops working.
Interestingly, both trucks used the same size tires, and the Colorado weighs more.
Kevin - that red pickup truck of yours has my name written on it! You know, my life´s dream is to live in a log cabin by a lake, with a mountain view and a red pickup parked in the driveway!
I am wasting my afternoon watching this:
Tinplate ToddlerKevin - that red pickup truck of yours has my name written on it! You know, my life´s dream is to live in a log cabin by a lake, with a mountain view and a red pickup parked in the driveway!
Lots of people love my truck, not sure why, must be the color.
I have really been happy with this purchase. It is the only vehicle I ever bought new and paid cash for.
Good morning, eveybody .
Kevin ... Apaprently, you like driving bsed on the miles on your vehucles. .... By the way, how did you name your model railroad? Family names or something else ?
Ulrich.... The video of snow in Germany looks cold. So far, our winter has mild temperatures. We are having mostly rain instead of snow.
Pickup trucks ..... Mine is a 2002 Chevy Avalanche purchased new in 2002. It has the largest V-8 that was a available (8.3L) and can pull any trailer I connect to it. It has never had mechanical problems.
Everybody: Happy Model Railroading !
Heartland Division CB&QIt has the largest V-8 that was a available (8.3L)
Jeepers, Garry, my little Volkswagen has a 1.0L, 60hp 3-cyl. engine, but does 100mph!
Ulrich .... I had a typo..... Actually it is 8.2 L instead of 8.3 L .... .... I have hauled some trailers with heavy loads. Also, I haul the boat trailer. ...
Well, I am glad that car of mine is just able to haul this old hulk of mine - plus the featherweight of Petra´s.
Tinplate Toddler Well, I am glad that car of mine is just able to haul this old hulk of mine - plus the featherweight of Petra´s.
Does the car lean to your side ? .... LOL
Yeah I might end up buying a running 69 stang, but still not gonna sell the one I have.
Garry, 8.2l that's a big motor, the biggest gasser v8 Ford ever made was the 460/7.5l but you can stroke those out to higher cubes, one guy managed 1006 cubes in a big block! Would I want to drive a car with that? YES! would I want to own said car? Also yes but not as a daily!