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Train brand compatibility
Posted by Oldtimer65 on Thursday, September 15, 2016 9:01 PM

I recently inherited a Hawthorne Village HO train set made by Bachmann Industries.  My question is if this set is compatible with any other brand of HO model trains, i.e. tracks, controllers, car connections, etc.?

I am new to this hobby and am considering starting to build a model train setup as my 2 year old grandson is a big train fan.  

Thanks for any feedback and this would help me with my decision to continue with any other systems..

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Posted by dstarr on Friday, September 16, 2016 9:31 AM

With a few exceptions, all HO equipment sold in the United States, since WWII which was a long time ago, is compatable.  The track gauge is the same, it runs on two rail 12 volt DC, the scale is the same.  There are exceptions. 

   Couplers, up until about 2000, ready-to-run rolling stock came equipped with a single piece plastic coupler.  After 2000 manufacturers changed over to a nicer looking knuckle coupler.  And enthusiats had been using the Kadee knuckle couplers since the late 1950's.  However changing couplers is easy to do, and hobby shops stock knuckle couplers to fit every piece of rolling stock ever made.

  Track with molded plastic ballast.  Ordinary HO track is just two rails and a strip of plastic ties.  All of this intermates.  Several makers offer track with a molded plastic ballast strip attached.  The track from various makers will not intermate.  You have to come up with an adapter if you need to intermate two different brands. 

Maerklin.  A German HO system that runs on three rail AC instead of two rail DC.  Maerklin locomotives won't run on two rail DC track, and likewise ordinary HO locomotives won't run on three rail AC Maerklin track.  Maerklin is sold in the US but it is a minority product.  

Digital Command Control (DCC), the various makes of DCC are compatable with each other, but plain DC locomotives will not run on DCC power.  Some DCC locomotives claim to run on plain DC track but this is disputed by some.  For a starter layout you don't need DCC.  If you get deeper into the hobby, you can convert to DCC later. 

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Posted by dknelson on Friday, September 16, 2016 9:58 AM

There is another discussion about Hawthorne Village trains on these forums, here:

http://cs.trains.com/mrr/f/88/t/178112.aspx

If I read that correctly, while Hawthorne Village trains run on Bachmann's proprietary sectional train in HO Gauge , the trains themselves may be repainted versions of Bachmann's O scale trains which are narrow gauge 30" -- so these may NOT be HO scale trains.  O scale is 1:48 ratio while HO is 1:87 ratio.   

So assuming my information is correct (and it appears many train sets have been brought out under the Hawthorne Village label so this may call for more research by you) you would need to decide whether to stay with Bachmann's On30 (that is, O scale, narrow gauge, 30 [scale] inches gauge), or use the track but buy true HO scale trains to run on it.

Both are perfectly fine choices that can offer a lot of fun, although with On30 Bachmann is pretty much your main supplier.   But while both can run on the same track they really are not compatible.  I hope I am making myself clear.  If not ask questions and we'll do our best to be clear.

Dave Nelson

 

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Posted by MisterBeasley on Friday, September 16, 2016 11:16 AM

I'd suggest taking them to a train shop, if you have one nearby, or you could look up a model train club or go to a train show.

If you can post a picture, someone here might recognize them.

If these are HO gauge (track size) trains, they will run on standard HO track.  You don't have to use proprietary track, if that doesn't fit your plans or if you want to expand beyond what you already have.

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Posted by BRAKIE on Friday, September 16, 2016 11:18 AM

Dave,Seems like Hawthorne Village  is the name brand and the trains are HO or G and sold in various schemes like Christmas,Budweiser, NFL etc-if my research is correct.

A photo would speak volumes but,the OP did say HO.

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Posted by Oldtimer65 on Friday, September 16, 2016 3:47 PM
Thanks for the feedback, it will help with what to look at to continue. Thanks again!
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Posted by Oldtimer65 on Friday, September 16, 2016 3:53 PM
Thanks for the info! All the Paper work say is HO gauge, so that is what I went by for the questions. More decisions to make.
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Posted by Oldtimer65 on Friday, September 16, 2016 3:55 PM
Thanks. There was a Model Train store near by but not sure they are in business. I will look when I am able.
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Posted by Oldtimer65 on Friday, September 16, 2016 3:58 PM
Thanks, This is Specialty train set for NFL but my problem is it is for the Steelers and I am a Bengals fan. That means my finger burn slightly when I touch it! LOL! Info with the set says HO gauge and that is all I know and is what prompted the questions.
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Posted by "JaBear" on Friday, September 16, 2016 5:01 PM

Gidday Oldtimer65,  Welcome to the forum.
 
If the Hawthorn Village NFL Steelers train set is the same as this one on eBay, it is not only HO gauge but HO scale. It appears to have the Bachmann Ezy mate knuckle type couplers which are compatible with other brands of knuckle coupler.
 
 
2 year old grandson, eh!!! I wonder who is going to have the most fun?Smile, Wink & Grin
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Posted by dknelson on Friday, September 16, 2016 5:03 PM

Ah.  The added info is very useful.  If your Hawthorne Village Pittsburgh Steelers train looks anything like this

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pittsburgh-Steelers-Hawthorne-Village-Bachmann-HO-Trains-NIB-Lot-9-train-cars-/291864389868

Then it is genuine HO scale in addition to being HO gauge.  Moreover the couplers shown on that ebay listing are "Kadee compatible" meaning that most of the current day trains you buy have couplers that will mate with these.  That is good.  From the late 1950s to about 2000 there was a particular coupler, often called the horn-hook coupler., that trainsets came with.   Many such horn hook coupler cars are still available for sale so be watchful if you buy more cars and locomotives.

Unfortunately for you, the Tyco Cincinnati Bengals collector freight car that was offered decades ago has that horn hook coupler.

http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/cincinnati-bengals-model-train-car-ho-498317869

It is possible to convert couplers with some work.  

So in summary it appears your track is Bachmann's proprietary "E-Z" track which is HO gauge. Only with some effort can it be made to mate with other brands of HO track, although the gauge itself is the same, but fortunately the Bachmann line has lots of track options so you can certainly build a nice starter layout using that E-Z track and add on pieces.  

Based on the "power pack" in the ebay photo it appears that the train is conventional DC power, not the more modern and advanced "Digital Command Control" (DCC).  While things are changing fast at this time I suspect most beginners are still using DC.  But DCC has many advantages for both beginners and advanced modelers.  Again just make sure that any add on locomotives you purchase are compatiable with your power pack.  

Dave Nelson

Amended post: I see JaBear beat me to the information but at least we aren't causing any confusion.  I hope!  Confused

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Posted by "JaBear" on Friday, September 16, 2016 5:14 PM

dknelson
I see JaBear beat me to the information but at least we aren't causing any confusion. I hope!

I would hope Dave it is a case of “Great minds think alike” not “Fools seldom differ”.LaughLaugh
 
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Posted by BRAKIE on Saturday, September 17, 2016 6:44 AM

Oldtimer65,I would not concern myself with DCC just yet since your engine will operate quite well on DC.

At a later date and after you decide to stay in the hobby and buy new locomotives then I would suggest buying DCC equipped or DCC ready locomotives. 

Larry

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