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Posted by BRAKIE on Friday, December 11, 2015 2:02 PM

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I wonder if it's fair to say the hobby flurished because of X2F/Rapido couplers, or in spite of them?

Yes, N Scale has been around for 55 years(started in 1960) and it was several years before the MT coupler was released.

The X2F coupler worked quite well when correctly body mounted.. The bad was the train set truck mounted X2F couplers that most new modelers started with and judges the X2F couplers by. 

Did you know there was metal X2F couplers with a small spring on the back? These springs was similar to today's KD knuckle spring.

BTW..Advanced modelers use a small flat tip screw driver to uncouple cars.. Today we use bamboo skewers to uncouple KD couplers

 

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Posted by Da Stumer on Friday, December 11, 2015 10:03 AM

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One of the great product failures was Schleicher's "The Model Locomotive Co." or something, which attempted to replicate that Baldwin catalog's mixing and matching of frames and boilers to build a series of small steam engines.

Though the idea was great, poor manufacturing quality doomed the project. Someone, somewhere, probably built a couple of engines successfully.

 

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That is kind of like what mantua did with their steamers. Different boilers, chassis, interchangeable.

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Posted by GP-9_Man11786 on Friday, December 11, 2015 10:03 AM

jecorbett

 

 
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The "train set" military cars that shot missles, until consumer produce safety comcerns realized that kids could be injured by fast flying objects

(Olfactory Airs was my first choice, but chutton01 beat me too it; some environmental health concers there as well)

 

 

 

 
G Paine

The "train set" military cars that shot missles, until consumer produce safety comcerns realized that kids could be injured by fast flying objects

(Olfactory Airs was my first choice, but chutton01 beat me too it; some environmental health concers there as well)

 

 

This was the first one I thought of but I decided to read the other replies before offering it.

The government really are killjoys when it comes to kid's toys. One of my favorite toys were the bow and arrow sets that shot suction cup arrows. Of course it was only a matter of time before the suction cup wore/fell off but the arrows could still fly. Spring loaded dart guns, also with suction cup tips were cool too. And let's not forget the line of toy guns Mattel came out with that had spring loaded cartridges  that fired plastic bullets. You could also put Greenie Stick'em Caps on them and get sound effects as well. I think we had a lot more fun than kids have today with their electronic games.  

 

And let's not forget lawn darts!

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Posted by rrinker on Friday, December 11, 2015 9:49 AM

 As for those Athearn rubber band drive locos - many of them they sold both ways, with a rubber band "Hi-Fi" drive and with a traditional gear drive. Now here's the rub - the rubber band drive models had full 8 wheel power pickup. The gear drive versions only picked up from one side of each truck. So while the mechanical running properties of the rubber band drive locos wasn't as good, the electrical characteristics were actually better.

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Posted by jecorbett on Friday, December 11, 2015 9:34 AM

G Paine

The "train set" military cars that shot missles, until consumer produce safety comcerns realized that kids could be injured by fast flying objects

(Olfactory Airs was my first choice, but chutton01 beat me too it; some environmental health concers there as well)

 

This was the first one I thought of but I decided to read the other replies before offering it.

The government really are killjoys when it comes to kid's toys. One of my favorite toys were the bow and arrow sets that shot suction cup arrows. Of course it was only a matter of time before the suction cup wore/fell off but the arrows could still fly. Spring loaded dart guns, also with suction cup tips were cool too. And let's not forget the line of toy guns Mattel came out with that had spring loaded cartridges  that fired plastic bullets. You could also put Greenie Stick'em Caps on them and get sound effects as well. I think we had a lot more fun than kids have today with their electronic games.  

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Posted by archy on Friday, December 11, 2015 9:16 AM

So far as Lionel, Marx and American Flyer equipment go, the magnetic cattle cars, operating crossing guard flagman and unlimited strings of beer company livery reefers and pickle vat cars come to mind. But that can also be described as a gray dividing line between toy trains and modeling, and those with a superdetailed brewery or pickle processor as an on line industry get a pass. 

 

Milepost 266.2

 

chutton01

Of course, in today's modeling marketplace, no serious manufacturer would ever consider producing freight cars in fantasy corporate liveries...

 

 

 

Those are very Lionel-ish, but hardly as bad as tootsie roll tank cars and Chef Boyardee four bay open hoppers.

 

 

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Posted by archy on Friday, December 11, 2015 9:11 AM

Milepost 266.2
 I wonder if it's fair to say the hobby flurished because of X2F/Rapido couplers, or in spite of them?
 

 
I guess you don't go back to the daus off Mantua ovel-hook couplers in HO. They were at least an improvement on the use of dummy couplers for which the car/loco had to be lifted to be hooked up.
 
I still use dummy couplers [HO narrow gauge, though I'm not exactly an HO modeller] on some ore car blocks and one relief train that's really roundhouse/shops area scenery, along with a seasonal snowplow unit. And of course hook-and-loop couplers still appear on some import G Scale equipment.  
 
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Posted by archy on Friday, December 11, 2015 9:04 AM

GP-9_Man11786

How about Lone Star's old rubberband drive N Scale locomotives? In all fairness, these did actually give rise to N Scale as we know it.

How about Athern's old rubberband drive HO Scale locomotives? I think some of the cast metal shell Mantua or Varney locos [F3, GP7?] were rubberband drive as well.

Of course, it's when first-generation sub-optimal efforts such as these come along that efforts to build a better mousetrap follow.

 

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Posted by Milepost 266.2 on Friday, December 11, 2015 8:37 AM

BRAKIE

 

 
GP-9_Man11786

There's been quite a bit of back and forth of the X2F coupler. How about its N Scale counterpart, the Rapido coupler?

 

 

 

My first few years in N I use those couplers.. Terrible at best and while not impossible it made switching a chore.One needed a feather touch on the throttle.

 

 

I wonder if it's fair to say the hobby flurished because of X2F/Rapido couplers, or in spite of them?

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Posted by Milepost 266.2 on Friday, December 11, 2015 8:36 AM

Texas Zepher

 

 
chutton01
from what I can find Nickel-Silver rail wasn't generally available till the early 1970s.

 

Atlas produced it on the fiber ties for as long as I can remember.  Had a hugh layout of it on fiber ties about 1963.  Every one just ignored it because it was a tiny bit more expensive and no one had "extra" money in those days for luxuries like that.  Even gave way for me due to the plastic ties (cool) and cheaper price.  Don't remember when they started putting the NS on plastic.

 

But how about the Atlas "brown" ties that lasted about 3 years.

 

 

If the original nickel-silver track was still on fiber ties, there was no real reason to pay attention to it.  By the 80's the companies making better track products were producing them in nickel-silver only, right?  Maybe decent quality switches (including curved) were a big part of the switchover?

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Posted by BRAKIE on Friday, December 11, 2015 6:44 AM

GP-9_Man11786

There's been quite a bit of back and forth of the X2F coupler. How about its N Scale counterpart, the Rapido coupler?

 

My first few years in N I use those couplers.. Terrible at best and while not impossible it made switching a chore.One needed a feather touch on the throttle.

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Posted by vsmith on Friday, December 11, 2015 12:56 AM
What about the old style HO Flex-track that used FELT ties.

I remember that stuff being a major PITA to mess around with. Even having the felt disintegrate if it got too wet when ballasting.

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Posted by Texas Zepher on Thursday, December 10, 2015 10:25 PM

chutton01
from what I can find Nickel-Silver rail wasn't generally available till the early 1970s.

Atlas produced it on the fiber ties for as long as I can remember.  Had a hugh layout of it on fiber ties about 1963.  Every one just ignored it because it was a tiny bit more expensive and no one had "extra" money in those days for luxuries like that.  Even gave way for me due to the plastic ties (cool) and cheaper price.  Don't remember when they started putting the NS on plastic.

But how about the Atlas "brown" ties that lasted about 3 years.

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Posted by Texas Zepher on Thursday, December 10, 2015 10:19 PM

nycmodel
Remember this from 1964? I recall there was an article in MR about that time where someone actually incorporated slot cars into their layout. I doubt that many did.

Aurora Model Motoring.   I created many layout using those.    They were very limiting in the track arragments possible and the cars had more trouble crossing this piece than any other.   Model Motoring quickly gave way to simply slot cars that had no model element to them at all.   Of course I still have my original Bat Mobile that is worth a fortune on the collectors market.

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Posted by chutton01 on Thursday, December 10, 2015 10:12 PM

ACY
I just skimmed through all three pages. Maybe I missed it, but I don't think anybody has mentioned brass track or oversized, knife-edged flanges.

Tom

For oversized flanges, Rivarossi got a quick mention at the top of page 3 (you need to use the correct technical term, 'Pizza Cutter' wheels).

For brass track, and fiber ties for that matter, well IMO that was more due to technological limitations (in terms of affordablity to most people) than anything else - brass was better than steel, and from what I can find Nickel-Silver rail wasn't generally available till the early 1970s. Hey, milled wood Tru-Scale roadbed sections served a purpose, as did grass mats and lichen (cleaned and sterilized), and Plasticville and many other items - there wasn't much (or anything) better available at reasonable prices at that time.

OK, you know where I stand on scale smells (NO!) and Tyco (eh, some items were rather cool, the action items like the gravel unloader, mail unloader, lighted 7-11, piggyback crane (and the one I had - the pipe unloading station), along with colorful liveries and chrome F7s, brought things a bit more interesting for kids (they weren't alone, Lifelike and Lionel had lots of operating accessories as well). I now wish to nominate the silly multi-piece truck kits that Walthers included with it's MOW work train release in the 1980s, which I think were originally Train Minature kits. I had several of the MOW cars, complete junk those truck kits were.  Walthers eventually agreed and replaced them in later kits with 1-piece trucks, but why did Walthers release the kits with those trucks in the first place when they had workable 1-piece trucks they could have used already available.

 

*Including the Lifelike Logging Mill which my parent got me as a kid...and while I liked to play with it, it made absolutely no sense - you loaded the logs in the high bin, the logs rolled onto the log car, you shunt the log car around then back to the same spot, and then dump the logs into the (painted) pond... whatever, it was fun at the time).

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Posted by Texas Zepher on Thursday, December 10, 2015 10:10 PM

ACY
I don't think anybody has mentioned brass track

Brass track carried the HO element of the hobby for about 50 years. Nickel silver track came out in the early 1960s and almost everyone ignored it until the 1980s when suddenly everyone who had been ignoring it all those years suddenly started yelling brass was bad. ??? Never understood that lack of awareness.

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Posted by Heartland Division CB&Q on Thursday, December 10, 2015 9:20 PM

I still recall the Mantua HO hook and hoop couplers.   X2F actually was an improvement. 

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Posted by GP-9_Man11786 on Thursday, December 10, 2015 8:32 PM

There's been quite a bit of back and forth of the X2F coupler. How about its N Scale counterpart, the Rapido coupler?

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Posted by arbe1948 on Thursday, December 10, 2015 7:35 PM

Yes, maybe not a bad idea, but for the expense, limitations, and operation faults:  overheating, noise, and reduced top speeds were noted cut it short.  Introduced by GE in 1963, developments stopped in 1964, and product dumped in 1965.

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Posted by ACY Tom on Thursday, December 10, 2015 6:02 PM

I just skimmed through all three pages. Maybe I missed it, but I don't think anybody has mentioned brass track or oversized, knife-edged flanges.

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 10, 2015 5:20 PM

I didn't see it above, so I'll through it in here: AMI Instant Roadbed (Scenic Express Black Track Tack).  That product alone caused me to stop playing with trains for 4 years when I was in my early teens. 

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Posted by Steven Otte on Thursday, December 10, 2015 4:07 PM

Ah, yes, dyed asbestos ground cover. Good times, good times. *cough*

I remember something nearly as inadvisable from back in the day. In our July 1948 issue, we published a reader tip from a fellow who powered the rails on his drawbridge with a pair of pins that, when the bridge was closed, made contact with two wells drilled in the landing abutment and filled with liquid mercury, thus completing the circuit. Which I'm sure worked wonderfully, if you ignore the health horror waiting to happen. Thankfully we know better now (and have micro-switches to handle such applications).

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Posted by fieryturbo on Thursday, December 10, 2015 1:38 PM

rrinker

 

 
nycmodel

Remember this from 1964? I recall there was an article in MR about that time where someone actually incorporated slot cars into their layout. I doubt that many did.

 

 

 

 Some of the early HO slot car sets actually had 2 guide pin and the ability to run in reverse. There were even 'turnouts' for them - Atlas and maybe Aurora's original offerings, before they became strictly competition things. There were a few layouts in the magazine that had cars runnign in the streets, but yeah, it never really took off. The grade crossing came back in the 70's in Tyco's Road N Rail sets - I think they were most often used to stage grade crossing accidents than anything.

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This is what my dad was building for me and my brother in the late 1980s - AT EYE LEVEL.  I'm kind of glad he never completed it, because it would have been /really/ dangerous the way that those cars would come flying off the track.  I like having two working eyes.  Tyco sold those sets for a long time.

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Posted by dti406 on Thursday, December 10, 2015 1:07 PM

Graham Line

One of the great product failures was Schleicher's "The Model Locomotive Co." or something, which attempted to replicate that Baldwin catalog's mixing and matching of frames and boilers to build a series of small steam engines.

Though the idea was great, poor manufacturing quality doomed the project. Someone, somewhere, probably built a couple of engines successfully.

 

 

Don't forget Arbour Models with whatever metal they cast their engines out of, but the metal did not hold up on the running gear.  I did see an Allegheny get built and run at one time, but little else.

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Posted by dti406 on Thursday, December 10, 2015 1:05 PM

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I think one of the durnedest was a 2 truck GG1. There WAS a smaller GG1 like prototype, but with 6 powered wheels, 2 pilot trucks.

 

A bit OT, but I believe you are referring to the PRR P5A locomotives, which were not prototypes but a series of 90+ production locomotives, of which the 28 later ones were of the familiar GG1 "steeplecab" style. There were also 2 similar-looking one-off prototypes, R1 and DD2 - however, the wiki entry has an interesting note that documents uncovered a few years back indicate that the GG1 style was developedfirst, and then the 'P5A modified' styling (as well as the others) followed suit.

 

Sorry but the R1 was first, the PRR had a competition between the R1 - 4-8-4 and the GG1 -  4-6+6-4 (Actually they borrowed a New Haven Electric with that same wheel arrangement, tested it on their test track section, then ordered the first GG1 (Rivits)), and the flexibility of the GG1 won the day.

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Posted by The Ferro Kid on Thursday, December 10, 2015 12:46 PM

rrinker

 Any Stooges fan worth their salt will have the law offices of Dewey, Cheatem & Howe.

 Across town they have a competitor, with the first Howe's brother as a partner: Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman & Howe. As a Yes fan AND a Stooges fan I had to do it.

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Posted by Graham Line on Thursday, December 10, 2015 12:20 PM

One of the great product failures was Schleicher's "The Model Locomotive Co." or something, which attempted to replicate that Baldwin catalog's mixing and matching of frames and boilers to build a series of small steam engines.

Though the idea was great, poor manufacturing quality doomed the project. Someone, somewhere, probably built a couple of engines successfully.

 

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Posted by rrinker on Thursday, December 10, 2015 11:56 AM

nycmodel

Remember this from 1964? I recall there was an article in MR about that time where someone actually incorporated slot cars into their layout. I doubt that many did.

 

 Some of the early HO slot car sets actually had 2 guide pin and the ability to run in reverse. There were even 'turnouts' for them - Atlas and maybe Aurora's original offerings, before they became strictly competition things. There were a few layouts in the magazine that had cars runnign in the streets, but yeah, it never really took off. The grade crossing came back in the 70's in Tyco's Road N Rail sets - I think they were most often used to stage grade crossing accidents than anything.

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Posted by Water Level Route on Thursday, December 10, 2015 11:44 AM

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Posted by Bernd on Wednesday, December 09, 2015 4:44 PM

"The car with the propeller on end. MR had ads for it. Could it have been AHM?

Bernd"

 

 

Rail Zeppelin - The prototype

http://www.alspcs.com/rail_zeppelin_03.jpg

The Turbo Express (ad link posted by dknelson) was a toy to take advantage of the slot car craze.   More accurate models have been made by others  such as Marklin and even Lionel. 

 

 

 

 

At least it was based on a prototype!  The Schienenzeppelin.

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Posted by nycmodel on Thursday, December 10, 2015 11:08 AM

Remember this from 1964? I recall there was an article in MR about that time where someone actually incorporated slot cars into their layout. I doubt that many did.

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