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If You Had To Choose...
Posted by Tracklayer on Wednesday, May 7, 2014 9:28 AM

Hi gang. If You had to choose one of the following three roads which one would it be ?...

- Southern Pacific

- Union Pacific

- Santa Fe

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Posted by selector on Wednesday, May 7, 2014 9:50 AM

I like the Santa fe for the name, the places it ran, and for it's large steamers, notably its 4-8-4's and 2-10-4's, the latter of which had more piston thrust than any other cylindered steam ever measured (219K lbs/sq in).  Nowadays, if I want to run modern diesels for a switch, it's the warbonnet style or the BNSF paint job...my fave.

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Posted by BATMAN on Wednesday, May 7, 2014 10:26 AM

Santa Fe from me as well. Great name and great power.

If you are going to have a railroad with Pacific in its name, there is only one that I would consider and that is CANADIAN PACIFIC.Smile, Wink & Grin

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Posted by rrebell on Wednesday, May 7, 2014 10:35 AM

Depends on era but the most stuff already lettered is for Southern Pacific for some reason. If I was going to customize the name, I would proubly go with just Pacific.

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Posted by tstage on Wednesday, May 7, 2014 10:49 AM

Since I'm not a big UP fan, I looked over the maps of the other two railroads and concluded that it would definitely have to be the Santa Fe.  Then I could exchange with my beloved railroad, the New York Central. YesBig Smile

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Posted by BRAKIE on Wednesday, May 7, 2014 10:56 AM

The UP is one constant that has not changed..It still uses its old color scheme from the 50s even the "flag" units bares the scheme..

 

SP..A road that was different in many ways including being different then its sibling SS- Cotton Belt.

Howerever..

Something about Santa Fe I always liked and therefore I would choose the AT&SF-the yellow nose/blue body scheme.

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Posted by zstripe on Wednesday, May 7, 2014 11:00 AM

Mine would have to be Santa Fe, seeing as how I already have umteen Zebra stripe power units of all flavors running around the layout. Big Smile

And of course:

 

 

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Posted by ACY Tom on Wednesday, May 7, 2014 11:32 AM

Colors:  SP Daylight

4-8-4's: Santa Fe

Articulateds: SP Cab Forwards and U.P. Challengers (tie)

Variety of steam roster: Probably S.P. (who else operated Cab Forwards and a large fleet of 3-cylinder 4-10-2's, as well as the Daylights)

Diesel roster:  Except for oddballs like Diesel Hydraulics & Centennials, it's a 3-way tie

Passenger trains:  A 3-way tie

Traffic: A 3-way tie (mostly transcon thru freight, heavy on reefers)

Route:  Purely subjective.  It depends on what kind of scenery you like.

Overall:  Purely subjective

 

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Posted by up831 on Wednesday, May 7, 2014 4:17 PM

Well, since I grew up along the UP Kansas division, I have to say I'm partial to the UP. Actually worked as a section hand for a month on those tracks, just out of high school.  My dream model railroad would be modeled after part of the locale where I grew up.  However, I am also fascinated by the SP.  I later lived in So Cal for a while.  I would have both roads on my railroad.  Prototypical justification would be that in the 70's or early 80's SSW acquired the old Rock Island line from Tucumcari to KC, so the two roads were in the same vicinity. So, anyway, I would model SP and UP!

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Posted by joe323 on Wednesday, May 7, 2014 4:23 PM

Probably none since my pike is eastern but given the choice I would go UP if it fits your era.

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Posted by gmcrail on Wednesday, May 7, 2014 6:31 PM

Definitely Santa Fe.  Good-looking equipment (both steam & diesel), superior passenger service and ROW.  SP would be second, though the proportions of all of their steamers but the cab-forwards seem a bit off to me; love the Black Widow diesels.  UP is definitely on my S*** list - their sabotaging of Amtrak  schedules, contrary to Federal law, is outrageous.

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Posted by IRONROOSTER on Wednesday, May 7, 2014 6:54 PM

Sante Fe.  The war bonnet paint scheme is the best ever for a diesel.

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Posted by UPinCT on Wednesday, May 7, 2014 7:49 PM
Oh I don't know. I guess UP..... Lol Derek
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Posted by Texas Zepher on Wednesday, May 7, 2014 7:57 PM

Tracklayer
If You had to choose one of the following three roads which one would it be ?...

- Southern Pacific

- Union Pacific

- Santa Fe

That is easy.  No question at all - Santa Fe all the Way.
 
From a historical perspective both the UP and SP were Harriman Roads.  UP was once a J Gould Road.  That is three counts against them.
 
Geographically they are similar except Santa Fe is the only one that went all the way from Chicago to the coast.  UP had to depend on CB&Q, RI, and CNW for the Chicago link.  Both the SP and UP made it up to the Northwest where the Santa Fe did not.    So if northern California and the Oregon coast are of interest that eliminates the SF.
 
Possibly becauses it was the only single road Chicago to San Francisco.   There was a mistique that was the Santa Fe both in management and clientele.   It was known as the road of the movie stars.   The Names Chief, El Capitan, Ranger, Grand Canyon, California Limited conjure images of adventure, while City of San Francisco, City of LA, City of St. Louis, etc. sound like well yawn, the most unimaginative things in the world.  SP was a bit better with the Daylight, Golden Gate, and Lark, but they did not cater to passenger traffic as the Santa Fe did, especially as Amtrak approached.
 
Paint schemes there is just something about the War Bonnet.   Any magazine with a red Santa Fe warbonnet on the cover sells 15% more news stand copies than an issue with a similar but different paint scheme.   UP is just boring with their armor yellow for safety reasons.  SP had that great black widow scheme and the Daylight scheme but then abandon them for one of the most ugly schemes in the world of railroading - the grey bloody nose.  What were they thinking?   Even early Santa Fe zebra strips look sharp, then there was the cigar band and the book end schemes - pure class.   I didn't care too much for the yellow war bonnet on blue of the 1970s  someone must have been on drugs, but I guess they are allowed one dud.
 
Motive power is diverse on all three systems.  Santa Fe an early adopter of the diesel never got into some of the "late model" steam.  But because of WWII still ended up with almost the most modern Hudson, Northern, Santa Fe, and Texas type locos.  UP on the other hand never had any FT units, and not many other 1st generation diesels.   They had many unique units such as the U50, 9000s, big boys, Veranda's, and big blow that can rapidly drain a modeler's pocket book, not to mention forcing one to need much larger radius corners than would otherwise be needed.  They invented the Challenger class even though theirs were underpowered compaired to the D&RGWs and NPs.   SP had its share of interesting units too such as the cab forwards and Krauss Maffia, but once again the Harriman style of the steamers always looked a bit "off" to me.
 
Model wise there is plenty of equipment in all three so you can't go wrong there.   Likewise there will be plenty of other people modling all three to chat with, have nits picked with, fight over equipment with (a UP dome coach just sold for $125 on ebay!).
 
Of course I can never choose one, but I will say in my collection the UP is the most under representated, and SP is close to being 2nd.   There are such other great railroads to model NP, GN, MP, StL&M, RI, CB&Q, IC, C&O, NYC, Pennsy, Milwalkee, COG that I put ahead of the UP and SP in my modeling  preference.
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Posted by Texas Zepher on Wednesday, May 7, 2014 8:04 PM

tstage
I looked over the maps of the other two railroads and concluded that it would definitely have to be the Santa Fe.  Then I could exchange with my beloved railroad, the New York Central.

Yes, how many NYC  sleepers were run through to LA on the De Luxe, Chief, Super Chief, and California Limited through the years?  Has to be tens of thousands.

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Posted by hon30critter on Wednesday, May 7, 2014 9:09 PM

Brent!

Stop trying to hijack the OP's thread! Canadian Pacific was not in his list of three railroads!

Of course, it should have beenSmile, Wink & GrinLaughLaughLaughClown. Then I could have voted for it too.

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Posted by cjcrescent on Wednesday, May 7, 2014 9:27 PM

If those were the only 3 I had to pick from....then I guess I wouldn't be a Model Railroader.

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Posted by kbkchooch on Wednesday, May 7, 2014 9:32 PM

cjcrescent

If those were the only 3 I had to pick from....then I guess I wouldn't be a Model Railroader.

 

 

Ditto here.  I'd spend more time fishing. Wink

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Posted by Colorado_Mac on Wednesday, May 7, 2014 9:53 PM

cjcrescent

If those were the only 3 I had to pick from....then I guess I wouldn't be a Model Railroader.

Oh, I don't know, Carey.  I'm of the school that ANY train is better than NO train.  Which is opposite of my automotive preference of MOPAR or NO car. Smile

Out of the 3 I'd have to pick AT&SF because of the Chicago connection. 

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Posted by cjcrescent on Wednesday, May 7, 2014 10:31 PM

Sorry Mac, don't like any of those RR's. Why would I model something I don't like???  For me there is no other except Southern and that is where my modeling is focused and will remain.

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Posted by Tracklayer on Wednesday, May 7, 2014 11:21 PM

hon30critter

Brent!

Stop trying to hijack the OP's thread! Canadian Pacific was not in his list of three railroads!

Of course, it should have beenSmile, Wink & GrinLaughLaughLaughClown. Then I could have voted for it too.

WinkDave

 

 

Actually I'm not offended at all by Brent's comment because I too like both the Canadian National and Canadian Pacific but grew up around the three roads I named.

Tracklayer, a really nice guy from south east Texas...

 

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Posted by Tracklayer on Wednesday, May 7, 2014 11:28 PM

cjcrescent

Sorry Mac, don't like any of those RR's. Why would I model something I don't like???  For me there is no other except Southern and that is where my modeling is focused and will remain.

 

I never cared for Southern and don't know very many others that do. However, thanks for your reply. I'm sure everyone really appreciates it...Whistling

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Posted by Southgate on Thursday, May 8, 2014 2:03 AM

I grew up on the south Oregon coast, and it's pleasant to model the familiar, thus I already have SP. But I could be happy with the 3 chosen for the poll. Dan

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Posted by tomikawaTT on Thursday, May 8, 2014 2:19 AM

For simple scenery construction, UP.  (Check out the photos of Big Boy's trip home - with hardly a tree in sight!)  Also matches the SP 3-cylinders and raises them one (4-12-2.)

In the real world, none of the above, as noted below.

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 8, 2014 4:03 AM

If I had to make a choice, it´ll be SP!

Why? None of the others had a narrow gauge operation - a must for me, as I am a narrow gauge buff for decades.

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Posted by "JaBear" on Thursday, May 8, 2014 4:36 AM

SP. Why??? Cab forwards. Stick out tongue

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Posted by riogrande5761 on Thursday, May 8, 2014 7:36 AM

Tracklayer

Hi gang. If You had to choose one of the following three roads which one would it be ?...

- Southern Pacific

- Union Pacific

- Santa Fe

A more descriptive topic title would be greatly appreciated. 

Keep in mind, many answer will be biased because of people preferences.  I am biased by the Southern Pacific because it was THE railroad which dominated the Davis/Sacramento area where I grew up from age 11 through 22 or so, and to this day it still has a profound effect on what I like to model and collect.

Thanks to companies like Athearn and Intermountain, there is a great deal of signature Southern Pacific locomotives and rolling stock available from diesels such asF units, tunnel motors, SD45's, AC steam engines, to freight cars like PC&F box cars, FMC lumber box cars, bay window cabooses etc.  There has never been a better time to model the SP of the 70's and 80's than the present!

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Posted by Tracklayer on Thursday, May 8, 2014 9:20 AM

riogrande5761
 
Tracklayer

Hi gang. If You had to choose one of the following three roads which one would it be ?...

- Southern Pacific

- Union Pacific

- Santa Fe

 

First, I would put more info in the title so people would know what the topic is about rather than try to lure people in and they find it wasted their time.  I dislike "hook thread titles!

Having said that, keep in mind, many answer will be biased because of people preferences.  I am biased by the Southern Pacific because it was THE railroad which dominated the Davis/Sacramento area where I grew up from age 11 through 22 or so, and to this day it still has a profound effect on what I like to model and collect.

Thanks to companies like Athearn and Intermountain, there is a great deal of signature Southern Pacific locomotives and rolling stock available from diesels such asF units, tunnel motors, SD45's, AC steam engines, to freight cars like PC&F box cars, FMC lumber box cars, bay window cabooses etc.  There has never been a better time to model the SP of the 70's and 80's than the present!

 

I really appreciate your snotty remarks. No one twisted your arm and made you reply. If you don't like the way I write then avoid my threads from now on and we'll both be much happier...

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Posted by BATMAN on Thursday, May 8, 2014 10:19 AM

I was just thinking (dangerous I know) All the kids South of the border are now being exposed to Canadian Pacific and Canadian National. So in fifty years when they are old geezers and getting in to MRR in retirement will CP and CN be on the list because that's what they were exposed to as a kid.Hmm

I think an awful lot of us model our childhood memories.

I wonder if Bill Gates will get into MRR and what would he model. He is getting older and owns more shares in CN than anyone else.Hmm

 

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Posted by Colorado_Mac on Thursday, May 8, 2014 10:29 AM

Carey, I'm a true-blue (and gray) B&O fan but I've lived or been stationed all over the country so I had a wide variety of influences in my rail-fanning.  I'm up for any steel wheels on any steel rails, though narrow-gauge is far down my list (let the argument begin!).

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