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Posted by Enzoamps on Sunday, December 4, 2016 12:20 AM

I liked the idea of the poseable figures that could be hardened.  Instead of air setting, I might suggest some sort of plastic or epoxy that hardens under UV light, just like the stuff my dentist uses.  There are TV ads these days for some sort of glue that cures with their UV light.  Such figures would come as basic flexible people, you bend them into pose, and light them with UV.   Another option would be heat, like cookie dough.  You shape them then put them in a slow oven.  Probably some microwaveable stuff would work too.

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Posted by caboose63 on Monday, December 5, 2016 4:45 PM

How about RTR EMC SC or SW locomotive, ALCO MRS-1, RSD-1, and Illinois Central SW14, walthers reissuing of their RTR greenville woodchip hopper cars, Central Vermont wood caboose, and more data only freight car kits by Accurail, like modern wood chip cars, flatcars, and modern 4 bay coal hopper cars.

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Posted by Kyle on Monday, December 5, 2016 10:06 PM

NorthWest

I have a couple more:

An HO plastic Amtrak Cascades Talgo set with "fins". Trying to hack a model of a European set is about as close as we can get now, and those are expensive!

Also, a suitably detailed F40PH Cabbage.

 

Rapido is making HO F40PH Cabbages with their standrd crazy details.  Beautiful locomotives though expensive.  Granted not much more than an Athearn Genesis.  The cabbages are powered since the difference between a powered locomotive and a dummy is $5 to make.

Personally, I would just like more undecorated locomotives for shortlines and freelancing. I am mainly taking about GP40s and SD40-2s.  Athearn made some, but they were quickly bought up.

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Posted by fieryturbo on Tuesday, December 6, 2016 2:58 PM

RTR version of Metra E8s

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Posted by ATSFGuy on Wednesday, December 7, 2016 9:43 AM

Is there a market for Pacific Electric Red Cars in HO Scale?

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Posted by Bob Schuknecht on Wednesday, December 7, 2016 4:14 PM

I had an idea today. A semi trailer with the rear doors open.

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Posted by DrW on Wednesday, December 7, 2016 5:20 PM

Bob Schuknecht

I had an idea today. A semi trailer with the rear doors open.

 

Modelpower has that:

https://www.hobbylinc.com/model-power-51-heavyweight-at-sf-flatcar-w:-40-trailer-w:operating-doors-ho-scale-model-railroad-98362

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Posted by ATSFGuy on Wednesday, December 7, 2016 7:22 PM

How about a Santa Fe SF30C in plastic and DC/DCC ready?

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Posted by JOHN C TARANTO on Wednesday, December 7, 2016 8:53 PM

tstage, I totally agree with you.  I would love to see BLI come out with an NYC H-10a / H-10b.  Also, an L-2a Mohawk would ROCK.  These models have only been produced in brass.  The L-2a is very rare.  Of course, if you're willing to shell out $1,500 you can get a new H-10 from Division Point.  

Sure, these locomotives are railroad specific, but I believe there is a demand for them.  Look at the success BLI has had with their Pennsy locos and others.  The H-10 and L-2 are locomotives of a similar design.  It could be feasible to produce them.  These models would sell like Hot Cakes!  Are you listening, Broadway Limited? 

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Posted by ACY Tom on Wednesday, December 7, 2016 9:58 PM

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tstage, I totally agree with you.  I would love to see BLI come out with an NYC H-10a / H-10b.  Also, an L-2a Mohawk would ROCK.  These models have only been produced in brass.  The L-2a is very rare.  Of course, if you're willing to shell out $1,500 you can get a new H-10 from Division Point.  

Sure, these locomotives are railroad specific, but I believe there is a demand for them.  Look at the success BLI has had with their Pennsy locos and others.  The H-10 and L-2 are locomotives of a similar design.  It could be feasible to produce them.  These models would sell like Hot Cakes!  Are you listening, Broadway Limited? 

 

I'm sure there would be a market for the NYC H-10 or L-2 4-8-2.  If the engineering is done carefully, it would be possible to do the 4-8-2 so that it represents an L-2a, b, c, or d.  NYC had a total of 300 L-2's in those four subclasses, so the market ought to be there.

If an NYC Mike is your preference, I suggest that an H-5 Mikado should be considered. NYC had over 600 of them in various subclasses, and NKP also owned copies. They were heavy mainline power on NYC and subsidiaries when built, and later were used systemwide very much like GP9's in local, branch, transfer, work train, helper, switching, or any service where a bigger mainline engine wasn't needed. Some were sold on the secondhand market to High Point Thomasville & Denton and Atlanta Birmingham & Coast, and perhaps others. The AB&C engines eventually found their way onto the ACL roster. An H-5 model could be designed so that several different trailing trucks, valve gear, and piping options could be offered. This would expand the potential market with minimal additional design & development costs.

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Posted by tstage on Wednesday, December 7, 2016 10:25 PM

John & Tom -

H-10...L-2...H-5....I would happily take any and all of those. Big Smile

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Posted by gmpullman on Wednesday, December 7, 2016 11:31 PM

tstage
H-10...L-2...H-5....I would happily take any and all of those.

Oh, but wouldn't a high-stepping K-3 round out that wish list nicely?

http://www.railarchive.net/nyccollection/nyc4851_wdv.htm

Just look at those shapely drivers!

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Posted by ACY Tom on Thursday, December 8, 2016 12:14 PM

gmpullman

 

 
tstage
H-10...L-2...H-5....I would happily take any and all of those.

 

Oh, but wouldn't a high-stepping K-3 round out that wish list nicely?

http://www.railarchive.net/nyccollection/nyc4851_wdv.htm

Just look at those shapely drivers!

Ed

 

No question about that.  NYC sure had a lot of K-3's and they ran all over the system. They even got into West Virginia!

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Posted by Steven Otte on Thursday, December 8, 2016 2:13 PM

Not a model, but a service: Google Rail View. Like Google Street View, only for trains. They would put cameras on the front of all locomotives. Then we could use Google Earth to get a good look at all the trackside industries we want to model.

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Posted by CentralGulf on Thursday, December 8, 2016 2:54 PM

Steven Otte

Not a model, but a service: Google Rail View. Like Google Street View, only for trains. They would put cameras on the front of all locomotives. Then we could use Google Earth to get a good look at all the trackside industries we want to model.

 

 
Plus lots of traffic safety training material.
 
"Now students in the next video we will see close up the terrified expression of drivers who tried to beat a train across a grade crossing and failed. Reminder, there are buckets directly under all seats. Use as needed."
 
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Posted by E-L man tom on Friday, December 9, 2016 9:39 AM

I would also like to add:  a plastic model of the class N3A (northeastern style, offset cupola) caboose, used by Erie, Erie Lackawanna and Delaware, Lackawanna & Western. This could be in kit form, as there were probably as many as 6 different versions of this car, so the kit could include the necessary parts needed for the desired version. I'm not sure, but I think these cabooses lasted into the Conrail years as well. They were also called Dunmore style cabooses. I know that years ago MR Magazine had a version of this car advertised (can't remember the manufacturer), but it was without trucks or couplers. I believe the retail price was $49.95 as I recall. So, for less than half the price I scratchbuilt a crude version of one. I will probably build another, but this time I have many good prototype photos to work off of, which I didn't have when I built the first one.  

Tom Modeling the free-lanced Toledo Erie Central switching layout.
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Posted by Bob Schuknecht on Friday, December 9, 2016 6:24 PM

DrW

 

 
Bob Schuknecht

I had an idea today. A semi trailer with the rear doors open.

 

 

 

Modelpower has that:

https://www.hobbylinc.com/model-power-51-heavyweight-at-sf-flatcar-w:-40-trailer-w:operating-doors-ho-scale-model-railroad-98362

 

Unfortunately they don't show a picture with the doors open. The doors need to open all the way to the trailer sides which would be necessary to place the trailer at a loading dock door.

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Posted by areibel on Saturday, December 10, 2016 6:37 PM

E-L man tom

I would also like to add:  a plastic model of the class N3A (northeastern style, offset cupola) caboose, used by Erie, Erie Lackawanna and Delaware, Lackawanna & Western.

JJL Models is releasing these again, soon I hope!

https://www.facebook.com/JJLModels/

These are teh Erie "Dunmore" cabooses that made it into teh EL and later CR, but they're different from the DL&W Kaiser VValley cabs.

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Posted by fwright on Tuesday, December 13, 2016 1:21 PM

For all 12 of us who are interested, I'd love to see an accurate (and good running) model of any reasonably normal (Baldwin, Rogers, etc) 1880s (or even 1890s) American, Mogul, or Consolidation.

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Posted by ATSFGuy on Tuesday, December 13, 2016 2:24 PM

Who wants to see some correct accurate passenger cars from Wabash, Erie, Lackawanna, Nickel Plate, Norfolk & Western, Central of Georgia, or Southern?  (Yes I'm saying it again!) but how many of you would like to own scale replicas of these cars instead of incorrect freelanced ones.    At least a Baggage car, Diner, Lounge, or Sleeper with one of these roadnames.

I think Walthers should re-run thier E units, possibly a Black Penn Central with the white PC "Noodle" logo.

Too bad Walthers shelved The Fallen Flags Series. Some good choices in there, but since only a small amout of orders were placed, the idea went through the roof.

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Posted by dti406 on Tuesday, December 13, 2016 2:51 PM

gmpullman
 
tstage
H-10...L-2...H-5....I would happily take any and all of those.

 

Oh, but wouldn't a high-stepping K-3 round out that wish list nicely?

http://www.railarchive.net/nyccollection/nyc4851_wdv.htm

Just look at those shapely drivers!

Ed

 

I am sorry guys, but the chances of those ever being made in plastic is slim and none. My experience in a hobby shop in Toledo (a NYC hotbed ) was that NYC did not sell.  The owner was a NYC fan and made sure to stock all the NYC that was made, but the NYC guys were so picky that they would not even buy brass unless every rivit was in place.

Of course I am still looking for the FGE RBL with the offset 12' Door that the DT&I and others owned.

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Posted by Kyle on Tuesday, December 13, 2016 7:42 PM

Bob Schuknecht

 

 
DrW

 

 
Bob Schuknecht

I had an idea today. A semi trailer with the rear doors open.

 

 

 

Modelpower has that:

https://www.hobbylinc.com/model-power-51-heavyweight-at-sf-flatcar-w:-40-trailer-w:operating-doors-ho-scale-model-railroad-98362

 

 

 

Unfortunately they don't show a picture with the doors open. The doors need to open all the way to the trailer sides which would be necessary to place the trailer at a loading dock door.

 

 

For the doors to look prototypical on a semi trailer, and open 270 degrees, they would have to be very thin and delicate.  Semi trailers, especially the dry vans are built very light and mostly out of thin aluminium and olywood. Opening containers would be ok since they are solidly built of steel with thick corner post.  A dry van trailer would look to thick and toy like.  A scratch build using some aluminum foil, or thin aluminum sheets and super thin wood would look acceptable but be very fragile(couldn't be shipped.)  

If you have ever seen a photo of a dry van stuck under a bridge, you will see that it is little more than glorified aluminum foil, rolls right up like a sardine can.

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Posted by JOHN C TARANTO on Tuesday, December 13, 2016 9:30 PM

Rick,

I still believe that if BLI or MTH would come out with a NYC H-10a/b or an L-2a that they would sell like crazy.  They would have to do a second run.  

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Posted by NILE on Tuesday, December 13, 2016 9:35 PM

One of the things that I have noticed is that steam and transition engines, rolling stock, and passenger cars are widely available in the "popular railroads".  Reality was there were over 100 railroads and 50 of them were class I.  So I would like to see more of those other roads that are long gone.   

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Posted by andrechapelon on Tuesday, December 13, 2016 9:51 PM

NILE

One of the things that I have noticed is that steam and transition engines, rolling stock, and passenger cars are widely available in the "popular railroads".  Reality was there were over 100 railroads and 50 of them were class I.  So I would like to see more of those other roads that are long gone.   

 

 

Good luck with that. Given that Walthers, BLI, Athearn, et. al. are in business to sell stuff, they're going to concentrate on items that are more likely to sell. NYC, ATSF, UP, SP, GN, etc. will sell because they're more widely known. Louisiana & Arkansas, Kansas Oklahoma & Gulf, etc., not so much.

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Posted by dti406 on Tuesday, December 13, 2016 9:56 PM

JOHN C TARANTO

Rick,

I still believe that if BLI or MTH would come out with a NYC H-10a/b or an L-2a that they would sell like crazy.  They would have to do a second run.  

 

I'm sorry John but past history does not support this, look at the 20th Century Limited that Walthers did, all those cars went at deeply discounted prices a year after they were first introduced because they did not sell. While the Santa Fe and Pennsy consists sold out and were not available unless for more than list price.

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Posted by ATSFGuy on Tuesday, December 13, 2016 9:59 PM

You can always send them an email. There is no harm in asking, the worst thing someone could say is "no".Smile  

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Posted by steemtrayn on Wednesday, December 14, 2016 2:48 AM

...And a B unit to go with it.

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Posted by gmpullman on Wednesday, December 14, 2016 4:31 AM

steemtrayn
...And a B unit to go with it.

Count me in on a BP20 (or two!) as well!

Somehow Walthers seemed to miscalculate the market for the '48 Century cars. Seems like the lounges and diners were all going for a dime-a-dozen but the Pullmans seemed to sell out pretty quickly and very few are available now. A Walthers "Creek" just sold on Ebay for $290!

Now—how about a vote for more depressed center flats? I have two of the four-truck GSC Walthers "Gold" ones but could use a few more. They are demanding top dollar, and the two truck variety is scarce, too.

I sometimes see the Railworks brass Queen Mary go for $750 or so!

Well, speaking of flats. A PRR F22 gun flat would be nice as well. I've attempted the F&C kits several times with awful results. Stake pockets glued everywhere except on the side sill! AMB makes a nice 16" Naval gun, which requires a minimum of 2 F22s, better with three.

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Posted by JOHN C TARANTO on Wednesday, December 14, 2016 11:05 AM

You do make a good point, Rick.  Just wishfull thinking on my part.  But these locos are number one and two on my wish list for new models needed. 

Years ago when BLI introduced their Heavy (USRA) Mikado, they offered it lettered for a variety of roads including NYC.  They called it a class H-9d (for NYC subsidiary Pittsburg & Lake Erie).  The locomotive looked nothing like an H-9d.  So I got one and set about to making it my own.  I removed the road pilot and replaced it with foot boards.  I moved the generator from on top of the smoke box to the rear of the boiler.  I removed the air pump from the fireman's side and installed two on the pilot deck behind shields.  I replaced the USRA 8-wheel tender with a Rivarossi 12-wheel C&O style tender (the closest that I could find for the H-9d).  I transfered the BLI electronics and sound to the new tender and added a backup lamp.  Now I've got a reasonable facsimile of an H-9.  To replicate an H-10 would be a lot tougher. 

I guess I can save my nickels and dimes and someday buy an expensive brass piece and hope that it runs half as good as my BLI.  But I'll keep thinking those happy thoughts!

"Shovel all the coal in, gotta keep 'em rolling"  John.

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