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Posted by BroadwayLion on Sunday, October 13, 2013 8:55 PM

HO-Velo

Lion, that was a fun ride.  Why is the guy in the movie wearing the hi-vis safety vest?

thanks and regards,  Peter

NYCT Policy. That is a tower operator, if he steps out of the tower he must be in correct equipment.

Most NYCT employees who work anywhere near the tracks must wear them. They no longer must wear them while operating a train, only if they must step down to the tracks.

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The Route of the Broadway Lion The Largest Subway Layout in North Dakota.

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Posted by HO-Velo on Sunday, October 13, 2013 7:50 PM

Lion, that was a fun ride.  Why is the guy in the movie wearing the hi-vis safety vest?

thanks and regards,  Peter

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Posted by BroadwayLion on Sunday, October 13, 2013 7:47 PM

LION uses printer's slugs for weight. They are glued to the bottom of the car, so I can add or remove weight without opening the car. If you do not have printer's slugs, maybe you can find an old old time printer that still may have some. They are alas, no longer made. A bygone era. You may be able to get some Linotype slugs, but they are type high and a bit to wide for under the car like that.

You guys do remember hand set lead type, and the California Job Case, yes?

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Posted by zstripe on Sunday, October 13, 2013 5:48 PM

Lion,

That was pretty good,,Those cars must have some weight to them,for it looked like that insulation,didn't bother them at all. I did sort of feel like I was on a roller coaster ride though,I kept waiting to climb up a hill.Big Smile

Cheers,Drinks

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Posted by BATMAN on Sunday, October 13, 2013 3:46 PM

TRAIN DANDRUFF!

Batman recommend Head and Shoulders for Subway cars.Smile, Wink & Grin

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Posted by BroadwayLion on Sunday, October 13, 2013 2:53 PM

Is no skylight in library building.

LION uses fiberglass insulation for station platforms. Kinda it curved, no big deal once I glue it down, but it was standing on its side, and each time the train passed, it scraped the platform bottom...

Aw heck, just watch it for your self. (5:16 into the video)

orBBrctww c

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The Route of the Broadway Lion The Largest Subway Layout in North Dakota.

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Posted by zstripe on Sunday, October 13, 2013 11:38 AM

Lion,

I see um,I see um..You better see If the abbot can come up,with some coin,to fix that sky light though,Big Smile

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Posted by BroadwayLion on Sunday, October 13, 2013 9:10 AM

Snowing outside it might be. LION brings his train into the tunnel at Union Square.

The Route of the Broadway Lion The Largest Subway Layout in North Dakota.

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Posted by BroadwayLion on Saturday, October 12, 2013 6:43 AM

The Route of the Broadway Lion The Largest Subway Layout in North Dakota.

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Posted by BroadwayLion on Friday, October 11, 2013 7:07 AM

LION at Avenue H... Ok, there is no tower ther, but the roof lines of the tower are similar to the roof lines of the station house: an interesting building in its own right.

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Posted by rrinker on Thursday, October 10, 2013 7:40 PM

 Looks like LION slipped up a few posts back, him talk in first person.

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Posted by joe323 on Thursday, October 10, 2013 9:49 AM

The blurry feel of this last pic kinda makes 42nd street station look like a close up of a hannukkah menorah 

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Posted by BroadwayLion on Thursday, October 10, 2013 9:33 AM

LION art at 42nd Street

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Posted by BroadwayLion on Wednesday, October 9, 2013 7:05 AM

Sea LIONS are not the worst of what you will see on this railroad. Here is the SECRET TUNNEL. It is not part of the 'visible layout', it does not even appear on the model board as such. It loops the express line from the LENOX tower in Manhattan to the NEVINS tower in Brooklyn so that those trains may run as a loop.

Since it is a SECRET TUNNEL, it, like all secret tunnels, must have MONSTERS in it. I do not know whose rule that is, but it is, so just accept it. There will be black light LEDs triggered by the passing trains, and there will be day glow monsters and comets and such in there, but nobody will get to see them, unless perhaps they will see the video taken from the Rail Fan Window.

Here is said SECRET TUNNEL, it rides next to but well below the Smith 9-th Street station, the train appears to fly across the Brooklyn skyline, but one can stand on a step stool, and look down onto this track, the tunnel being left open like this to allow access to the 0-5-0 switcher.

Notice FOAM construction of LION. Very Easy, elements are simply glued in place. The train is riding on a piece of 2" thick fiberglass roofing insulation. You can buy the stuff in home stores, LION follows roofing contractor to job site, and then dumpster dives for discarded product. The blue backdrop left will be the backdrop for the Gowanus Canal. It will be the only body of water on the layout.

Notice the number scratched into the foam riser. it is a measurement in inches (4" 7/8), each riser being a different height to maintain the proper grade. This tunnel is part of the long helix, the Nevins street station being on the lower level opposite and the Lenox station being on the upper level opposite. The entire elevation change between these two stations is accomplished in this long helix. Stations do have adequate finger room for the decoration of these stations, so it is quite an elevation shift. Both stations are also on an incline since together they will take you from the visible Smith 9th Street Station on the middle level down about 15 inches to the Chambers street station on the lower level.

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The Route of the Broadway Lion The Largest Subway Layout in North Dakota.

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Posted by BATMAN on Tuesday, October 8, 2013 6:01 PM

Here is a picture of Lion when he was in the Navy. A sea Lion.

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Posted by G Paine on Tuesday, October 8, 2013 4:30 PM

BroadwayLion
We will sea what the LION can do

First llamas (or was it lamas?), now sea lions. What critters will we sea next??? Crockogators, giant spiders, pushmepullyou - only time will tell......

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Posted by BroadwayLion on Tuesday, October 8, 2013 11:48 AM

I am going to have to do more work on this station. The station to the left (Dyckman Street) is an elevated station (at this end of the platform -- at the other end it ducks into a tunnel)  and I am going to cut away some of the "open cut" so that the third floor of apartment buildings will be seen on the backdrop behind the track. Obviously, the street will have to go up hill as it moves south, because the next station is in an open cut. and enter a tunnel at the next corner. We will sea what the LION can do with it.

You are looking at the upper level, to the right is the middle level, below that is the lower level.

LIONS do not know how to do simple.

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Posted by BroadwayLion on Monday, October 7, 2013 10:20 AM

When they built the Hudson and Manhattan there was supposed to be a branch on 9th Street leading to Wannamaker's. Well to make a short story long, the store is no longer there and the subway was not built.

They did use a tunneling machine of some sort, and it still is parked in the nub of a tunnel at 9th Street, but it is almost impossible to see since they have put an electric substation or some such in that place.

Several boring machines in NYC have been abandoned in place, and others have been taken apart, rebuilt and used elsewhere.

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p.s. I am told that a MONSTER has hijacked that particular machine and built a clandestine tunnel that comes out near 76th Street. Er... If it comes out at all. [music--- cue Rod Stirling]

p.p.s. LION has such a tunnel on the layout of him, coming off of the Canal Street Station, the line and tunnel appears to go forward, but abandons that notion and turn to the left and onto a different route. This looks just so natural on my layout that it had to be built this way, and is a mirror image of the BMT leaving Canal Street in NYC. There is a line that moved forward, but was abandoned in favor of a line turning right onto Broadway.

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Posted by G Paine on Monday, October 7, 2013 10:08 AM

Schuylkill and Susquehanna
steemtrayn
fec153

Could Hoffa be in there ??????????????

Phil

Prob'ly not, but there could be a locomotive buried here:

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/brooklyn/urban-legend-locomotive-atlantic-ave-true-study-article-1.1227820

A buried subway train is quite possible.  FDR's coach is buried under Grand Central.

S&S

When they constructed the English Channel Tunnel they used boring machines coming from both ends. When they met in the middle, it was impossible to get them out because they were larger than the diameter of the completed tunnel, so they used them to dig side tunnels and abandoned them in place. It was not considdered cost effective to dis-assemble them and pull the parts out.

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Posted by BroadwayLion on Monday, October 7, 2013 9:40 AM

LION used round dowels for the stanchions, him printed adhesive labels with color and signs to wrap them with. The labels did not stick to themselves very well, so LION taped the labels down, but the tape did not stick so well either. I guess you could say that the LION is stuck.

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Posted by Schuylkill and Susquehanna on Sunday, October 6, 2013 6:28 PM

steemtrayn

fec153

Could Hoffa be in there ??????????????

Phil

Prob'ly not, but there could be a locomotive buried here:

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/brooklyn/urban-legend-locomotive-atlantic-ave-true-study-article-1.1227820

 

A buried subway train is quite possible.  FDR's coach is buried under Grand Central.

S&S

 

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Posted by steemtrayn on Sunday, October 6, 2013 3:55 PM

fec153

Could Hoffa be in there ??????????????

Phil

 

Prob'ly not, but there could be a locomotive buried here:

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/brooklyn/urban-legend-locomotive-atlantic-ave-true-study-article-1.1227820

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Posted by BroadwayLion on Sunday, October 6, 2013 2:05 PM

fec153

Could Hoffa be in there ??????????????

Phil

 

Ask Geraldo Rivera.

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Posted by fec153 on Sunday, October 6, 2013 1:44 PM

Could Hoffa be in there ??????????????

Phil

 

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Posted by BroadwayLion on Sunday, October 6, 2013 12:31 PM

Schuylkill and Susquehanna
Presuming that it does exist and has been sealed off since the 60s, wouldn't any above ground remnants been paved over or removed already?

If it was built then yes, but no once it passes into Queens Pitkin Avenue is much narrower, the pavement looks like it was laid on the ground and not on the cover of a subway tunnel.

Schuylkill and Susquehanna
The combination of the signals facing the concrete wall and the tracks going into the cinderblock wall shaped like a tunnel mouth seems enough evidence that at one point there was a track

By itself, no, it proves nothing. That signal is controlled by the Euclid Tower which was built. Interlocking plants have an internal integrity, and that signal provides for that integrity even if the tracks beyond it were never built. It was intended that they be build, obviously, and the contract to build the Euclid tower made provision for these tracks, and thus they had to have a homeball controlled by the tower that was built.

Schuylkill and Susquehanna
In addition, it looks like the supporting structure for the tunnel (including the pipes? along the wall) go straight into the concrete,

Yes, they do. This tunnel was indeed longer than it is now, and some of it has apparently been filled in. That too was never in question, rather did the tunnel actually extend to 76th Street or not?

From evidence the LION sees, no it did not, from stories of others, pay your money and take your chances.

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Posted by Schuylkill and Susquehanna on Sunday, October 6, 2013 11:23 AM

Back on the 76th Street station thing,

Presuming that it does exist and has been sealed off since the 60s, wouldn't any above ground remnants been paved over or removed already?  I would think that instead of adjusting/moving the subway grates every time the roads were paved (probably 5-7 times since then), they would have either removed them, or just paved over them.

The combination of the signals facing the concrete wall and the tracks going into the cinderblock wall shaped like a tunnel mouth seems enough evidence that at one point there was a track through there.  In addition, it looks like the supporting structure for the tunnel (including the pipes? along the wall) go straight into the concrete, which seems like a silly way to do it if you're building the end of a line.  No junction box or anything.  Besides, why put a red signal only 20 feet from a bumper, and a signal that has TWO lights.

Ground penetrating radar or sonar is the way to go.

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Posted by BroadwayLion on Saturday, October 5, 2013 4:48 PM

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Posted by BroadwayLion on Saturday, October 5, 2013 7:02 AM

Some secrets laid bare...

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Posted by G Paine on Friday, October 4, 2013 11:38 AM

BroadwayLion
LION says, NOPE no tunnel in Queens.

Obviously the tracks pass beyond the present wall, but LION suspects that the tunnel has been filled in, otherwise there would need to be access to it for inspections.

One way to prove or not - Ground Penetrating Radar. Run it across the face of the concrete block wall, and it will show what is back there. All that is needed are the permissions for acess, some thousands of dollars to fund the project, and maybe a flying pig. Computer Person Lightning

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Posted by BroadwayLion on Friday, October 4, 2013 10:28 AM

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