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Posted by cheese3 on Tuesday, July 9, 2013 2:25 AM

Hi all,

It has been a long time since I have been around! I'm going to WVU this fall and I'm planning a 2x4 N scale that I can work on in my apartment. I'm looking forward to posting progress pics in weekend photo fun and I'm sure I will have a lot of questions. I haven't been in the model railroad game for at least 4 years now. Just figured I would check in here first and say hi. Glad to be back! Nice to see some familiar faces and some new ones.

Adam Thompson Model Railroading is fun!

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Posted by galaxy on Tuesday, July 9, 2013 4:24 AM

Morning coffee in the diner....

GOOD TUESDAY MORNING!!!

Today is Tueday, July 9th, 2013!!

I will light the prayer candles at 9 am for those in need...

MAKE IT A GREAT DAY!!!

 'Till the chickens come home to roost':

Meaning:

Bad deeds or words return to discomfort their perpetrator {see also: The modern version: 'what goes around come around'}:

Origin:

The notion of bad deeds, specifically curses, coming back to haunt their originator is long established in the English language and was expressed in print as early as 1390, when Geoffrey Chaucer used it in The Parson's Tale:

And ofte tyme swich cursynge wrongfully retorneth agayn to hym that curseth, as a bryd that retorneth agayn to his owene nest.

The allusion that was usually made was to a bird returning to its nest at nightfall, which would have been a familiar one to a medieval audience. Other allusions to unwelcome returns were also made, as in the Elizabethan play The lamentable and true tragedie of Arden of Feversham, 1592:

For curses are like arrowes shot upright, Which falling down light on the suters [shooter's] head.

Chickens didn't enter the scene until the 19th century when a fuller version of the phrase was used as a motto on the title page of Robert Southey's poem The Curse of Kehama, 1810:

"Curses are like young chicken: they always come home to roost."

This extended version is still in use, notably in the USA.

The notion of the evil that men create returns to their own door also exists in other cultures. Buddhists are familiar with the idea that one is punished by one's bad deeds, not because of them. Samuel Taylor Coleridge revived the imagery of a bird returning to punish a bad deed in  The Rime of the Ancient Mariner, 1798. In the poem the eponymous mariner kills an albatross, which was regarded as an omen of good luck, and is punished by his shipmates by having the bird hung around his neck:

Ah! well a-day! what evil looks Had I from old and young! Instead of the cross, the Albatross About my neck was hung.

Tomorrow, along the same lines, we will have 'to mind our P's and Q's' To be Sure the chickens don't come home to roost wth us on bad things...

MAKE IT A GREAT DAY!!!

 

 

Geeked

-G .

Just my thoughts, ideas, opinions and experiences. Others may vary.

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Posted by inch53 on Tuesday, July 9, 2013 6:21 AM

Mornin, an irish coffee along with the farmers platter. Another hot n humid one here, might to turn the air on earlier than normal.
TODD,, got the E sent this morning, was gonna do it yesterday, but one of the granddaughters wanted on here for a bit, so I let her. Don’t know what she down loaded, but it took runnin 2 bug killers which took all day of course.
JERRY,,, the way the weather guesser ladies are talkin Thur would be the best to for racing, harness, great Midwest trot n pace, and not real hot n no rain. If I was going it would be on Fri n catch the runnin races. They were always my favorite.
Well gotta get off here, Mother’s decided I need to with to get the oil changed in the car [not going to ask why]. I’ll swing back by laters.

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Posted by MisterBeasley on Tuesday, July 9, 2013 6:48 AM

Good moring to all.  Ah, what a difference a night makes.  The temperature dropped, and I was able to use the fan instead of the AC.  It's so much nicer to sleep that way.

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Mornin, an irish coffee along with the farmers platter

Ah, the Farmer's Platter.  I remember it well from my college days.  In Boston in the 1960s, there were few eateries open all night.  Our favorite was a place called Mondo's, a classic greasy-spoon down by the docks, tucked into an old warehouse building surrounded by cobblestone streets.  3 eggs, ham, bacon or sausage, home fries, toast and unlimited coffee, all for 99 cents.  On weekends, there was a line outside the place to get in at 3AM.  All that's left of it now is the cobblestones, as the warehouses were "gentrified" and became the popular Quincy Market / Fanueil Hall tourist trap and social gathering place.

Our TV, a Samsung that's about 5 years old, has developed a case of cyber-measles.  White spots started appearing, first just a few, then dozens.  It's reached the point where it interferes with the viewing experience..  This is a wide-screen DLP TV.  I looked online, and it's a known problem with these sets.  I called Samsung, and to my delight they will send a technician to our house and fix it, for free.  I guess they stand by their products.

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Posted by TMarsh on Tuesday, July 9, 2013 7:19 AM

Good Morning!!!

Coffee and some of that breakfast surprise otherwise known as a casserole please. Thanks.

By the way, I just filled the pie case with SRP’s fresh from the oven.Chef

A 40 percent chance of showers and thunderstorms. Partly sunny, with a high near 91. Heat index values as high as 101. Gonna be a sweater out there.

Inch- Got your PM or, whatever they call it now. Don’t know if I’ll catch you with this before you leave, or if you got a laptop for that WIFI thing in the hotel.  My friend just backed off the flooring people until Wed of next week so I’m not up against a wall type rush anymore, at least for nowLaugh. After today pretty much anytime til about 2 in the afternoon is good for me. If you can wrangle in a little free time before 2…., glad to meet you somewhere even if just for a cup of coffee. Castle's open Tuesday, Thursday and weekends FYI. If you call after 5, I’ll be wo*kin and probably won’t be able to hear the phone over the fans etc so just leave a message. Since you told me your phone#, I won’t ignore itLaugh. Oh and had two kids and am soooo familiar with downloads that they didn’t do that just about kill a comuter.

Anybody else do that? If I don’t recognize the number, I just don’t answer the phone. I figure it’s just someone trying to sell me something or the like. Either way, I probably don’t know them and if I do, well I have voice mail. Leave a message and I’ll then have your #. Besides, I’m not always in a situation where I can answer the phone anyway. Hands full, on a ladder, messing with glue ( Sigh unfortunately not model glue for a while), or have sausage fingers, got a pizza to take out of the oven or the exhaust fan is going. OHHhhh the list goes on.

One of these days, I’m gonna get that trainroom cleaned up so’s you can even get to it, and THEN if someone comes to town with a little time, they can see the layout such as it is. Now…Confused .shoot. I’ll have to post the latest “that’s the layout in there…., really it is…you have to really look” pictureEmbarrassed. Kinda like one of those seek-n-find pictures.

Ray- seems to me your resolve was being tested yesterday. OR, a black cloud was hanging over you.

Welp, best get a movin. Like I's tellin Inch, still got some tile to pull up and a couple rooms to w**k on before next Wed now.YesCool   

Ya’ll have a good day, ya hear!!!!

Todd  

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I'm a small town boy. A product of two people from even smaller towns. I don’t talk on topic….. I just talk. Laugh

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Posted by blownout cylinder on Tuesday, July 9, 2013 8:13 AM

Good Morning from KindaFoggedInVille....

We are currently foggy and VERY wet here...got even more so-called showers overnight...now we are just drenched here...going to a high later on of 84 feeling like 103F...yay...oh...in the rain and those ol' t'underin'boomers no less....again...yay

Got some medical appointments of mine own to contend with as well..more tests...again...sheeesh...

Anyhow...have a good day!!

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Posted by soilwork on Tuesday, July 9, 2013 8:19 AM

                        Good Morning!!!!!

              I will have a med Toasted Almond with cream and X sugar and a cinnamon raisin bagel with cream cheese on the side please!  Not much going on here today. I am gonna make a run to AA hobbies to pick up a couple of NCE power panels before I head to the circus I call work! The forecast says rain all week, we can use some to cool things off after the stretch of hot and humid days we had.

             Todd-  I also ignore calls from numbers I don't recognize. Most of the time its stupid surveys or telemarketers trying to sell you something. If it's something important, they can leave a message, but most of the time they just hang up.

   

                                                                                      Have a great day!!!!!!

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Posted by MisterBeasley on Tuesday, July 9, 2013 8:36 AM

It has literally been years since I picked up the land-line without letting the machine pre-screen it for me.  Sometimes I'll answer if I know who's on the other end, but almost no one calls me on that phone.  Most calls are for SWMBO.  The answering machine is a better answering machine than I am.  If I answer the phone and it's not for me, then I have to take a message, which means finding paper and something to write with.  Why bother with that?

The Do Not Call list really does work, although it's not foolproof.  In particular, election season is just chock full of junk calls because those calls are not covered by the list.

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Posted by EMD.Don on Tuesday, July 9, 2013 9:10 AM

Morning all! Coffee and toast would be marvelous please.

Thunderstorms, lightning, and heavy rain all night and early this morning. Muggy and humid right now, but strangely pleasant sitting on the porch looking at the hills.

Heading into town to grocery shop...one of my least favorite tasks to do. Although, after looking at those pictures of Buffalo above, I have an odd hankering for steak on the grill...Dinner.

Fiddled with my Athearn Santa Fe passenger cars yesterday. It was fun and enjoyable and felt good to be productive.

Happy modeling and good day to all!

Don.

"Ladies and gentlemen, I have some good news and some bad news. The bad news is that both engines have failed, and we will be stuck here for some time. The good news is that you decided to take the train and not fly."

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Posted by galaxy on Tuesday, July 9, 2013 9:12 AM

TMarsh

 

 Castle's open Tuesday, Thursday and weekends FYI. If you call after 5, I’ll be wo*kin and probably won’t be able to hear the phone over the fans etc so just leave a message. Since you told me your phone#, I won’t ignore itLaugh. Oh and had two kids and am soooo familiar with downloads that they didn’t do that just about kill a comuter.

Anybody else do that? If I don’t recognize the number, I just don’t answer the phone. I figure it’s just someone trying to sell me something or the like. Either way, I probably don’t know them and if I do, well I have voice mail. Leave a message and I’ll then have your #. Besides, I’m not always in a situation where I can answer the phone anyway. Hands full, on a ladder, messing with glue ( Sigh unfortunately not model glue for a while), or have sausage fingers, got a pizza to take out of the oven or the exhaust fan is going. OHHhhh the list goes on.

One of these days, I’m gonna get that trainroom cleaned up so’s you can even get to it, and THEN if

When it comes to phones, we are in no short supply. We have: 2 cells, 1 land line the old fashioned kind, and one computer "land line".

~The old fashioned land line {OFLL} is our primary phone, IT has the "do not call" on it,and like MR. Beasley said, it really does work..the only exceptions are the political calls, the police benevolent society and anybody who might want to do business with you for your electric/gas supplier, WHO technically have the right to call you since you DO have a service contract with the carrier for those services. IF the phone has a # we don't recognize on it, we either A} don't answer and let machine get it, or B} Answer it tentatively knowing it is probably a wrong number.c} ignore it.  It costs very little to have this one as I get the Medicaid discount life line service. We Make NO long distance calls on it.

~The computer phone comes with the Time Warner Cable package we have. It is "free" since we'd be paying for the cable and Internet anyway. We can all all over the country and half the world for "free". We use IT to make long distance calls. It has a a machine too and we get and ignore the obvious spam calls!

~The cells are the prepaid flip phone variety for traveling EMERGENCIES only. There are literally 5 people who know my cell number, one is MOH, one is my father, one is the in laws, and 2 are mechanics!!! The phone is ON ONLY if i am out in the vehicle!

~With the new job , MOH will have to give out the cell number MOH has, so the work can get hold of MOH.

iN other things:

Well i did the monthly household shopping and the grocery shopping for this week,. The hip and my back are NOT pleased. Oh well, done for the month and the week.

 

Ah well, the joys of living hand to mouth paycheck to paycheck.

well off to a lay down, not necessarily  a nap.

Geeked

 

 

-G .

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Posted by howmus on Tuesday, July 9, 2013 9:16 AM

Mornin' everyone!

Zoe, I'll have a short stack of Blueberry Pancakes with NYS Maple Syrup, a side order of bacon, and lots and lots of dark roast coffee in my FGLK mug please...

Todd, I ignore half of the calls coming in when I do recognize the number... Laugh  My cell phone usually stays in my pocket... turned off.

Barry, droughts over!  So what are you going to stock the lake with this year?

Currently 73°F outside under hazy skies with a high around 83°F.  Thunderboomers will commence about the time I arrive at Boy Scout camp to visit one of my troops this afternoon.  I will also pick up a car full of old electronic junk to recycle.

Galaxy, my late wife had a car (old worn out VW Bug) she used to call "The Albatross".  The one after that spent most of it's time in the repair shop (another $100 worn out junker we got for a little of nothing as a second car) so she called it "Tinkertoy".

Best get moving so I can actually accomplish something today.

73

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We'll get there sooner or later! 

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Posted by pascaff* on Tuesday, July 9, 2013 11:03 AM

 Morning All,

    Another w**k day. Currently it is 62 with an expected high of 95 with some smoky late afternoon conditions, due to a brush fire south of Carson City.

    Ice, meds, and knee brace seem to help my knee. I think I will wear the brace one more day at w**k and see how it does tomorrow.

   I have actually disconnected my land line. It is one of those package deals with the cable company, and no one I know ever uses it, so why waste the electricity. My cell phone stays with me everywhere, and I have distinct ringtones for people I know. If I do not recogonize the ring tone I don't answer it.

   Prayers to all in need.

    Paul 

EDIT: I got top so since most of you folks are in earlier time zones, lunch is on me.

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Posted by Heartland Division CB&Q on Tuesday, July 9, 2013 11:34 AM

Todd ... I just had a piece of the SRP you brought to the DIner. Thanks. I have 5 things to say about it: .... mmmm; mmmm; ......... mmmmm; mmmmm; yummy!.

Jeff ... Thinking of you today, and praying you have good news for us when you return from your appointment.

 

GARRY

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Tuesday, July 9, 2013 3:57 PM

Good afternoon. It's 91° but feels like 94°. The humidity is 42%.


Just got back from Oakdale a little while ago. The doctor we talked with says he's not qualified to do above ankle amputations but he knows a surgeon who is and he will do it on Medicaid. He set up an appointment for the 18th. He also checked out my left foot which has a couple small pressure ulcers and cut away some callouses around them then prescribed a strange wedge block type shoe that I'm having some difficulty getting used to. Curbs, steps and up ramps are the worst. We stopped at KFC on the way back. Senior citizen discount on the buffet. I was in the buffet line getting the items I wanted when the woman ahead of me suddenly took two quick steps back then reached across in front of me and pushed me back so she could get another roll. Probably the type that backs up in one way traffic to look at the sale items in the store window. I lost my balance and fell back and my tray went flying. I'm only sad it didn't hit her. The food could be replaced. I have to give it to the KFC employees. They were right there to handle the mess and were only too happy to help me with anything I needed. Meanwhile the woman said that it was my fault as I was in the way. She got some very dirty looks from all that had witnessed the incident, especially my step-mother. Oh boy. If looks could kill, well you know the rest of that. My father too was having some trouble keeping his temper about it. But anyway, I just said it was all right. Nobody got hurt. And we went on with our business at the buffet. KFC employees even took our trays to our table.

No plans for the rest of the day. I'll probably just lay back and watch a couple of movies.



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Posted by inch53 on Tuesday, July 9, 2013 4:16 PM

A late laternoon, Zoe could I have a barley pop please. Well figured out why I had to go with Mother for the oil change. She was pickin up munches n such stuff for Springfield, so she decided, I had to be there to be there n help. She had the list we’d already agreed on last night.Luv n marriage can be so exciting at times, but this was not one of them.
Karl,,,,, no I haven’t, the last time I was that far east was back in the mid 60’s. If I remember right, there’s 8 or 10 stop lights and 9 4-way stops tween Terre Haute Ind and Vandalia ILL, [about 70 mile]. The problem round here is farmers moving equipment from one place to another on 40. Afore 70, that stretch was called the deadliest highway in the country at one time.
MR Beasley,,,,, My cousin Raymond ran the only 24 hour place round here. You could get 2 eggs bacon, ham or sausage, biscuits n gravey, n toast or another biscuit, coffee for a $1.50. Of course it’s long gone now, those were some good times.
I wish the do-not-call list worked better round here,,, got 2-3 trying to sell us a free security system, for just putting a sign in my yard.
TODD,,,, Wed was the only afternoon to myself and Thurs out, I have to take picures of Mother’s swearing at’s. She’s the incoming 18’Th dist. President this year. Me I’m basically along for the ride. I was supposed to be a delegate, but the post didn’t send the paper work in time. So, all I can do is dist or div caucus’s. Oh well, at least I don’t have to be on the floor all the time, but I still get to enjoy the evening activities. I’ll call ya when we get up that ways.
And I’m like you, I will not get in a hurry ta answerer a phone especially if got a bare baby bottom.
 PHONES, we still have a land line, which we have a package deal on. Unlimited long distance n internet, which gets used a lot, most everyone we call is long distance, unless we’re calling local. We also have 3 computers, plus 2 of those black boxes for Netflix n such. $8 is a whole lot cheaper than satellite, which we might watch 9 or 10 channels of the 150 for $60 a month. We also have 3 cells, mine don’t get used much, but the wife n the grandson, don’t think the world will end without theirs.  
Best gets round to some more chore, thoughts for all in need and ya’ll has a gooden

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Posted by Lehigh Valley 2089 on Tuesday, July 9, 2013 8:11 PM

Hello! 

Got some furniture back onto the porch today after getting it painted. It will take some getting used to the fact that it is of one shade of blue now because it has had about 2 or 3 shades on it. Also watched Memphis Belle today. I have to say, I really didn't like it that much since it was a bit "glorified". Nothing bad about that, but if I had to chose between that or Red Tails, I would chose Red Tails since it's fighter VS fighter, not a bomber crew finishing it's 25th mission. But the neatest thing about it was the fact that I got to see the inside of a B-17G. Again, THAT was pretty cool. 

By the way, got the olive drab on the B-17 today. Spray painted the first coat on and brush painted the second coat on. There are some light spots, but on well. I kinda like the lighter spots. Either way, the color is deeper and just looks better on the fortress now. 

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Posted by blownout cylinder on Tuesday, July 9, 2013 8:39 PM

Good Evening...

95% humidity and 84F right now...hot? Oh yea....

The TO storm dumped more rain in 2 hours than did Hurricane Hazel in one day in 1954....it was just nuts there....

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Posted by last mountain & eastern hogger on Tuesday, July 9, 2013 8:58 PM

Heartland Division CB&Q

Some of this talk about bad drivers on congested highways, reminds me of why I like western KY. There is not much highway traffic here.

Watch out for the buffalo, however.

 Especially the bull!

Whistling

Hi gang,

i had a few laughs over your descriptions of some of the drivers you have encountered. So I thought about this, that had been sent to me awhile ago and just had to share it with you.

Glad we are here and not there.

 
Check this out!  The Russians drive around with dashboard cameras.  After seeing this video, you'll
understand why.  To get the full feeling, when the video player comes up, put it in full screen mode, sit
back and be glad you only have to drive in Canada...and/or the U.S.A.
 
 

Johnboy out................... and still laughing,,,, But I am parked

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Posted by howmus on Tuesday, July 9, 2013 9:32 PM

Evenin' folks!

Janie, I'll have that last piece of strawberry rhubarb pie sitting over on the counter with a nice big scoop of vanilla ice cream on it and a cup of decaf .  That should do me I think...

Johnboy, great movie....  I have seen some of those drivers on I-95 I think.  Amazing that some of those didn't result in death!

Went out to camp to harass, ah spy on, uh, visit... (Yep that's the correct word) my troop today.  They are having a great week so far and I heard some good comments from staff about them as well.  Also had a Cookiewich while I was out there.  A Cookiewich is two cookies with a big slab of ice cream in between rather like an ice cream sandwich only a lot better.  Also bought a new leather Camp Babcock Hovey belt while I was there.  Brought a load of old electronics to recycle as well.  Will need to do that before lunch tomorrow as I have a Dermatologist Appt. early afternoon in Canandaigua.

When I got home from camp I left the windows open in the PiP to keep the temperature in the car down while I was "Cold Soaking" before charging (Cold Soaking is letting the batteries cool down before hitting them with current... Better for the life of the batteries I hear).  Got sat down here at the computer and looked outside and a wild rain storm was rumbling through.  Ran out, jumped in the car, push start, and closed the windows.  Inside of the car and I were pretty well soaked by that time.  I plugged it in after the storm passed.  Will unplug before I go to bed.

I'm hoping next week to have some time to get back to model railroading...  Starting to get upset with my current schedule which has no time at all for the hobby!

Prayers for all in need!

73

Ray Seneca Lake, Ontario, and Western R.R. (S.L.O.&W.) in HO

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Posted by galaxy on Wednesday, July 10, 2013 3:13 AM

morning Coffee in the diner...

GOOD WEDNESDAY MORNING!!!

Today is Wednesday, July 10th, 2013!!!

I will light the prayer candles at 9 AM for those in need...

MAKE IT A GREAT DAY!!!

Mind your P's and Qs:

Meaning:

Be on your best behaviour; be careful of your language

{Ps and Qs are just the plurals of the letters P and Q. There is some disagreement amongst grammarians about how to spell Ps and Qs - either upper-case or lower-case and either with or without an apostrophe. You may see the phrase as 'mind your p's and q's' or 'mind your Ps and Qs' or 'mind your P's and Q's' or (less often) as 'mind your ps and qs'. We've opted for Ps and Qs.}

Doubts also exist as to the original meaning. Francis Grose, in his 1785 edition of The Dictionary of the Vulgar Tongue, defines it like this:

"To mind one's P's and Q's; to be attentive to the main chance."

Origin:

The date of the coinage of 'mind your Ps and Qs' is uncertain. There is a citation from Thomas Dekker's play, The Untrussing of the Humorous Poet, 1602, which appears to be the earliest use of the expression:

Afinius: ...here's your cloak; I think it rains too. Horace: Hide my shoulders in't. Afinius: 'Troth, so thou'dst need; for now thou art in thy Pee and Kue: thou hast such a villanous broad back...

'Pee and Kue' in that citation seem to be referring to a form of clothing, but that is somewhat ambiguous. It is also not clear that the 'Pee and Kue' in Dekker's work are the same as those in 'mind one's Ps and Qs'. Dekker later used the term in West-ward Hoe, a joint work with John Webster, 1607:

At her p. and q. neither Marchantes Daughter, Aldermans Wife, young countrey Gentlewoman, nor Courtiers Mistris, can match her.

In that piece it is less apparent that 'p. and q.' refer to a form of clothing.

So, both the spelling and meaning of the phrase are debatable. Now we come to what is really uncertain - the derivation. Nevertheless, it is one of those phrases that many people are sure they know the origin of. When such folk are pressed, what they usually mean is that the person they first heard explain the origin had made a random choice from the list of proposed derivations below. As no one knows the origin I'll just list the suggestions - 'mind your Ps and Qs' probably derives from one of these:

1. Mind your pints and quarts. This is suggested as deriving from the practice of chalking up a tally of drinks in English pubs (on the slate). Publicans had to make sure to mark up the quart drinks as distinct from the pint drinks. This explanation is widely repeated but there's little to support it, apart from the fact that pint and quart begin with P and Q.

2. Advice to printers' apprentices to avoid confusing the backward-facing metal type lowercase Ps and Qs, or the same advice to children who were learning to write. I've never heard any suggestion that anyone should 'mind their Ds and Bs' though, even though that makes just as much sense and has the added benefit of rhyming, which would have made it a more attractive slogan.

3. Mind your pea (jacket) and queue (wig). Pea jackets were short rough woollen overcoats, commonly worn by sailors in the 18th century. Perruques were full wigs worn by fashionable gentlemen. It is difficult to imagine the need for an expression to warn people to avoid confusing them.

'Pee', as a name for a man's coarse coat, is recorded as early as 1485, so it is possible that that is what Dekker was referring to in his 1602 citation. If so, that usage long predates all others and we have the definitive origin of 'pee and kue'. 'Kue' or 'cue' as the name of a man's wig isn't known until well after 1602 though, so it still isn't certain what Dekker meant by it.

4. Mind your pieds (feet) and queues (wigs). This is suggested to have been an instruction given by French dancing masters to their charges. This has the benefit of placing the perruque in the right context - as long as we accept the phrase as being originally French. However, there's no reason to suppose it is from France and no version of the phrase exists in French.

5.  Another version of the 'advice to children' origin has it that 'Ps and Qs' derives from 'mind your pleases and thank-yous''. That is widely touted as an origin but seems to me to be a back-formation, i.e. an explanation fitted to explain the phrase after it was coined in some other context. 'Pleases and thank-yous' doesn't appear to lead to 'Ps and Qs'.

 

So, pay nothing and take your choice. For what it's worth, my virtual two-pennys worth goes to 2,that is,  the advice to children who were learning to write. But one can only assume.

MAKE IT A GREAT DAy!

 

Geeked

 

-G .

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Posted by Lehigh Valley 2089 on Wednesday, July 10, 2013 6:31 AM

Good morning. 

Because the paint on the B-17G requires a two day drying period, I won't be touching it for a little while. While waiting, will be getting some college stuff wrapped up this morning and may get a start on the B-25J Mitchell. I'm real excited as to how that will turn out. 

The Lehigh Valley Railroad, the Route of the Black Diamond Express, John Wilkes and Maple Leaf.

-Jake, modeling the Barclay, Towanda & Susquehanna.

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Posted by blownout cylinder on Wednesday, July 10, 2013 7:57 AM

Good Morning

All kind of dull and very humid out today...currently sitting at 74F feeling like 94F...about 95% humidity...yuck...

Getting a few things done chorewise and then off to the mall to meet the gang...and then train time....

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Posted by TMarsh on Wednesday, July 10, 2013 8:04 AM

Good Morning!!!

Hm, always wondered what P’s and Q’s was all about. Still not sure but if I had to say, I’d lean toward either of the first two.

Coffee and….um, you know I’ll have the Cousin Raymond Special, over medium, ham and oh I’ll take the biscuit please. Thanks.

Scattered showers and thunderstorms, mainly before 1pm. Partly sunny, with a high near 88.

Politicians create a law to alleviate us from being pestered and hounded on the phone by people calling about things we may not even be interested in but once again, manage to exclude themselves. Imagine that.

Jeff- I have shared a buffet many times with the kin of that women you dealt with. Must run in the family. Luckily I’m stable on my feet. I couldn’t determine whether you actually fell to the floor, it almost sounds like you did not. I hope not. I’ve also learned that the type of person she was, you’d be wasting your time even saying anything because somehow she’d have everything she could think of your fault.

Inch- Don’t know if you’ll get this before you get back. Well the way things have gone for me lately it doesn’t surprise me at all (chuckle).  This is a crazy busy month for me but ordinarily Wednesday would have been the BEST day for you to have free. Eeeexcept this Wednesday of course. The owner of the restaurants’ son is in from Norway and he bought him and all his brothers Cardinal tickets and they are going…..today/tonight. So, he needs me to w*rk for them cause his other son out of 3 is the guy that wo*rks during the week and therefore….has no one to cover but me. So since I'm up front I have to go in even earlier to get the front all ready. Usually I don’t have to go in that early. I actually forgot until like Saturday when they reminded me. He said something a month ago and I guess I slept since then cause I forgot all about it. Age and too many things going onWhistling. Anyway, don’t get rid of my number, you just never know. Tell Mother me an Brenda say congratulations on the President-ship. I’m sure Brenda could tell her many a discouraging story about that particular position, but apples to oranges organizations though.

Hey, I guess that makes Inch the First Gentleman. We should discuss his hair style some day in honor of his new position in so-sigh-a tee.Yes

 WElp, gotta get another load of materials and get back to said apartment and all before I have to get ready for w**k. Since I’m up front tonight I’ll have to pay special attention to my appearanceWhistling Laugh. Plus I have to get things ready AND they already have reservations. Hey, at least I’ll be in the A/C tonight.    

Ya’ll have a good day, ya hear!!!!

Todd  

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Wednesday, July 10, 2013 8:30 AM

Good morning. It's 79° with 91% humidity. The high will be 98°.


I was very tired yesterday and went to bed early. Woke up around 1am and realized I had the computer on. Went through the usual tabs and made a reply here and there then shut it down and went back to bed. Woke up at 7 and started my day. I'm feeling OK after yesterdays little KFC adventure. No pain anywhere.  No plans for today. I may just watch some movies.



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Posted by Heartland Division CB&Q on Wednesday, July 10, 2013 8:39 AM

Good morning everybody .... Coffee and a donut please. 

Jeff ..... You mentioned you will be needing amputations above the ankle, and I felt very sad to read that. If there is anything any of us diners can do for you, let us know. Your KFC story reminds of one of ours. 

Todd said he has experiences with a kin of the lady in KFC, and so have we. This is in a crowded airport restaurant, and the experience is yet another reason to avoid flying. Airlines don't serve meals on most flights, and so passengers grab food before boarding their planes. There were lots of other passengers changing planes in the Memphis airport as we were doing, and they all wanted to pick up food. We placed our order for sandwiches, and we stood in a very crowded corner awaiting our carry-out order. 

Well. You guessed i. Along came the KFC lady's kin, a rude, pushy, obese lady who was quite indignant about there being other people who had the audacity to purchase food in her space at her time. I think she bumped into everybody in the crowded location as she walked up to the counter to place her order. 

She bumped into Shelley, and Shelley calmly said to her: " Oh, I remember you. You are the one the world revolves around." 

Next topic.

Johnboy .... Glad you saw some humor in the driving stories. The Russian video was funny as long as I watched it. I think I will not go to Russia to drive. ..... Here in KY, friendly people in oncoming vehicles wave as they pass by. In contrast, when I go to Detroit, drivers wave with only one finger. 

Grand daughters are here until Saturday. This week we take them to church VBS each evening. Shelley and I are helping out. She teaches, and I do miscellaneous stuff as needed. The kids are having fun and learning good things. 

With our young visitors, I have little layout progress to report. I have been working on backdrops for my layout extension. I'm blending together backdrops from different manufacturers, and that means many clouds are ones I paint myself. 

Happy model railroading! 

GARRY

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Posted by galaxy on Wednesday, July 10, 2013 8:56 AM

Well

I finally get an appt. to see my Dr. about my hip. Rested it all day sat, sun and mon, and yesterday went grocery shopping, about wore it out. SO today at 11 AM I see him. GOod.

Best get ready coming soon!

Later all.

Geeked

 

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Posted by howmus on Wednesday, July 10, 2013 11:31 AM

Mornin'......  Uh, Afternoon folks!

Zoe, I'll have a BLT without the T, some curly fries, and a large Dr. pepper for lunch.  What?  Because I don't like tomatoes....

Been out and about and solved a few other problems already today.  Took a car full of old equipment from camp over to the recycling center, came home and answered a call from a Scouter who is looking for a councilor for his son to do RR Merit Badge.  After playing phone tag for a couple days we finally linked up and set a time out at the Museum to get it done.  then assembled 25 copies of the Division newsletter that need to be mailed out to our members who still live in the 19th. century.  Have a Dermatologist appt. mid afternoon, and then while I am in Canandaigua I plan to stop at an old fashioned shoe store there to get fitted for some proper foot ware for use out at the museum.

May stop and buy the blocks of stone on my way back home if the liquid sunshine hasn't arrived again.

Galaxy, good luck with the doctors appointment!

Jeffrey, I'm thinking you might just be able to get around better and feel better after the foot is removed...  Hope all goes well for you.

Later!

73

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We'll get there sooner or later! 

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Posted by pascaff* on Wednesday, July 10, 2013 11:34 AM

 Morning All, well it is still morning out here.

  Currently 68 with an expected high of 95. Busy day off for me. I have one load of laundry going, and just about to start another. Have to vacuum upstairs, and clean the bathrooms up here. Spray for ants and other critters downstairs, inside and out, and clean the coffee maker.

   I also plan on wiring feeder wires for the tracks I finished laying a week ago, wiping down the rails and running some trains. I also want to do some scenery w**k and maybe w**k on a building kit or two.

  Jeff  - if you get the foot amputated, will you get a prosthetic one? If so will you have more mobility? I hope so.

  Galaxy  - hope the doc can give you some relief for your hip.

    Prayers to all in need. 

  Paul

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Wednesday, July 10, 2013 11:40 AM

pascaff*
  Jeff  - if you get the foot amputated, will you get a prosthetic one? If so will you have more mobility? I hope so.

Well that's the plan. We told them a prosthesis would be a requirement, not an option. I know there's going to be a period of physical therapy to go with it.

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Posted by Cox 47 on Wednesday, July 10, 2013 11:50 AM

Good afternoon All...Its a T-storm here...just what we needed...With the fair going on....I'll have a Ham Salad sandwitch,chips and diet Coke please  Thank You...

Jeff You are in my prayers...please keep us updated...

I added 2 more backdrop buildings this AM..

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Gonna run some trains now...You All have a good one...Jerry

ILLinois and Southern...Serving the Coal belt of southern Illinois with a Smile...

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