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What are your "stubborn old man" rules for your railroad?

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What are your "stubborn old man" rules for your railroad?
Posted by mobilman44 on Sunday, March 10, 2013 7:20 AM

Hi!

Like many of my fellow Forum members, I've been playing with trains for quite a long time, and have been a Forum regular for several years.   Many of the posts we have seen bring out our individual preferences - many that we are very "loud and proud" about.   We tend to consider these the "rule of thumb", and have a hard time understanding why others don't feel the same.  

Soooo, just for grins, I thought I would ask each of us to bare our souls, and state those unbendable rules that we have for our railroads.  Of course, since I brought it up, I will lay mine out on the table first..............

- A layout timeframe must be picked for the layout, and strictly adhered to - even if its a span of 10 years.

- All equipment and structures must have some degree of weathering, even if only a spray of Dull-Cote.

- The locos & cars on the layout must make sense.  I.E., locos & cabooses of the same RR, etc., etc.

- Track is not laid directly on plywood, a roadbed of some sort is needed - even if sheet cork.

Being a "stubborn old man" model railroader for almost 60 years, I'm sure I have more "rules" - but I just can't remember them anymore..................

ENJOY,

Mobilman44      

ENJOY  !

 

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Posted by richhotrain on Sunday, March 10, 2013 8:26 AM

1.  Prototype need not be adhered to.

2. I need not be true to my chosen era.

3.  Weathering?   We don't need no stinkin' weathering.

4. No lighted passenger cars and no people in the seats.

5.  All store fronts must be empty.

6.  No signs on any structures.

7. Signals can only be seen from one direction - - LOL

8.  Signaling makes little or no sense in terms of prototype protocols.

9.  Speed limits need not be observed.

10. It's my railroad, I will do as I wish, I will run what I want, build dates on rolling stock are irrelevant.

Rich

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Posted by BRAKIE on Sunday, March 10, 2013 8:39 AM

My only "stubborn old man" rule is simple :Hands off! For those that may not understand that..Keep yer cottonin' pickin' paws off buddy boy.

Larry

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Posted by CSX_road_slug on Sunday, March 10, 2013 9:08 AM

mobilman44

- A layout timeframe must be picked for the layout, and strictly adhered to - even if its a span of 10 years.

- All equipment and structures must have some degree of weathering, even if only a spray of Dull-Cote.

- The locos & cars on the layout must make sense.  I.E., locos & cabooses of the same RR, etc., etc.

- Track is not laid directly on plywood, a roadbed of some sort is needed - even if sheet cork.

In addition to the ones above:

1) No plastic wheels

2) No speeding

3) No spaghetti - the main line must pass only once thru any "visible" (non-staging) scene 

4) All locos and cars must have a unique number

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Posted by BroadwayLion on Sunday, March 10, 2013 9:11 AM

Route of LION:

1) No reverse moves allowed. (Well, they are not possible anyway)

2) Do not run into the train ahead of you. (To be fixed with new signal systems.)

3) LOOK at the situation before laying hands on the interlocking machine.

4) and in the MOW department: LOOK at the soldering iron before picking it up.

5) EXPECT a train at any time on any track: Keep your stuff off of the tracks.

6) BLUE BUTTONS stop the entire railroad. USE THEM when needed.

ROAR

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Posted by richhotrain on Sunday, March 10, 2013 9:14 AM

ahhh, the LION reminded me of other rules,

Never pick up an Exacto knife by its blade.

Don't pour Woodland Scenics Realistic Water one inch deep.

Rich

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Posted by galaxy on Sunday, March 10, 2013 9:21 AM

MY "stubborn old man rule" for my layout???

If you ain't ME, DON'T TOUCH!

You can LQQK all you want, tough...

Geeked

-G .

Just my thoughts, ideas, opinions and experiences. Others may vary.

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Posted by Heartland Division CB&Q on Sunday, March 10, 2013 10:22 AM

Conductor will punch ticket or passenger whichever is applicable. ... Grumpy

GARRY

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Posted by IRONROOSTER on Sunday, March 10, 2013 11:11 AM

I guess some of mine include:

Metal wheels only.

Bench work is built sectional.  Legs are L shaped and go under the sections - not beside them.

No weathering.

No rules against buying neat stuff just because it's not my era, scale, etc.

Keep all the train stuff I ever got.

Enjoy

Paul

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Posted by CTValleyRR on Sunday, March 10, 2013 12:32 PM
I don't know if I quite qualify for the title of "curmudgeon" yet. My rules are simple:
1) My layout, my rules;
2) There is a prototype for everything, if you look hard enough;
3) My imagination is a valid source of prototype information as long as common sense applies;
4) In the event of confusion, refer to rule #1 above.

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Posted by eaglescout on Sunday, March 10, 2013 1:08 PM

My grandkids run my old Athearn locomotives and rolling stock I don't mind losing if there is a crash.

If it looks the way I want it to then that is the way it should be.

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Posted by gandydancer19 on Sunday, March 10, 2013 2:08 PM

Look but don't touch, unless you are in my operating crew. Super Angry

Elmer.

The above is my opinion, from an active and experienced Model Railroader in N scale and HO since 1961.

(Modeling Freelance, Eastern US, HO scale, in 1962, with NCE DCC for locomotive control and a stand alone LocoNet for block detection and signals.) http://waynes-trains.com/ at home, and N scale at the Club.

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Posted by Burlington Northern #24 on Sunday, March 10, 2013 2:55 PM

Heartland Division CB&Q

Conductor will punch ticket or passenger whichever is applicable. ... Grumpy

I'm not gonna lie I started laughing pretty loud, that's great my sides are hurting. 

well in april it will be the start of year 2, hmmmmmmmmm... 

obey scale speed limits (doing it by eye) 

look but don't touch

keep trains in era (unless otherwise noted) 

at all times there must be a 3:1 ratio of BN power on layout. Laugh ok maybe not.

Edit: I forgot to add every loco/ railroad needs a caboose, currently I'm breaking this rule because I don't have a caboose for my GN Alco F's.

SP&S modeler, 1960's give or take a decade or two for some equipment.

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Posted by Texas Zepher on Sunday, March 10, 2013 4:19 PM

My stubborn old man rules:

1.  No smoking in the train room.

3.  If my layout begins to look to others like "it is my railroad and I can do anything I want" it is a day I should consider getting out of the hobby.

2.  The day I start making hard and fast rules about the trains era/geography/roster is the day I should consider getting a different hobby.

Yes they are out of order for a purpose, because they sort of contradict and/or compliment each other depending on how one looks at it.   That doesn't man I don't want a specific 10 year era, with logical and homogenous motive power and rolling stock rosters, and scenery that is correct for the geographic area.  It just means that I am not going to arbitrarily limit myself and the layout based on some preconceived (probably ill conceived) rules I happen to dream up.

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Posted by UPinCT on Sunday, March 10, 2013 6:24 PM

If you are a repairman repairing the hot water heater or the heating system itself, the layout is not a tool shelf to hold YOUR tools.  DO NOT put your stuff for any reason on my layout.  This has happened more than once.  Nothing broken so far and I have learned to move anything on the layout in the area of the water heater and heating system.

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Posted by tomikawaTT on Sunday, March 10, 2013 7:27 PM

I have a few simple rules that are absolutely unbendable, never mind unbreakable.

  1. All visitors have to be cleared by my wife (Translation - blood relations and old friends only.)
  2. Anyone can run anything on my layout, as long as it is 1:80 scale, Japanese prototype and was seen in the Upper Kiso Valley in the mid-1960s.
  3. Rules F (no tobacco) and G (no alcohol or drugs) are enforced.
  4. Rivet counters are urged to count their own rivets - I already know how many I have.
  5. Anyone who finds these rules objectionable can discuss them with the Green Dragon.  (Smart people know not to mess with the Green Dragon.)
 
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Posted by Schuylkill and Susquehanna on Sunday, March 10, 2013 7:45 PM

  1. No rivet-counting.  My stuff may not be entirely prototypical, but it is close enough for me (the famous "close enough" approach.)Cool
  2. Everything is weathered.  Except for new 1956 cars and trucks.
  3. If I say not to do something with the layout, PLEASE do not do it anyway!
  4. You opinions and edvice are welcome, but NO LECTURING.
  5. Speed limits aren't an issue, as I have programmed my locos to have a realistic top speed.Stick out tongue 
  6. Take your time and enjoy the role you play in the operating session.
  7. HAVE FUN.

 

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Posted by Burlington Northern #24 on Monday, March 11, 2013 2:19 AM

I got a couple more: anyone who makes a rude/non constructive comment about my trains and/ or layout on my youtube channel will be told off in a very impolite way especially if they have no proof or things showing their trains. 

all visitors may be cleared by my conductor Oskar(my dog) 

railfanning is always welcome 

there is not set rule to absolutely have trains in era(yeah it's a contradiction, couldn't help it but an RS1 from SP&S would look sweet alongside a BN NW2) 

SP&S modeler, 1960's give or take a decade or two for some equipment.

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Posted by NP2626 on Monday, March 11, 2013 8:01 AM

1). The following rules apply to my Model Railroad, only!  How you model your's is totally up to you and I encourage you to follow your own rules and not listen to people who are critical of others and think everyone should follow their rules!

2). Metal wheel sets, only.

3). Kadee couplers, only.

4). Rolling stock and structures to the highest degree to be built from "kits":or scratch built, only. Exceptions are locomotives, for which kits are no longer being made.

5). Everything "Weathered" the way I feel looks right

6). Time era is the year 1955.

7). Equipment as would be found on the Northern Pacific Railway in Western Montana.

8). All locomotives must have engine crew and cabooses to be "peopled", when practical.

Beyond the above restrictions, as applied to my railroad only, anything goes. 

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Posted by mlehman on Monday, March 11, 2013 11:06 AM

Around my layout, stubborn old men are considered overgrown "stubborn old boys" (yeah, make that into an acronym Wink), as operating on a layout seems to be an excuse for crankiness among some. Conductors and other train crew have been instructed to treat them like hobos with a bad attitude and put them off the train at the earliest possible point if they should become obnoxious.

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Posted by Train Modeler on Monday, March 11, 2013 11:12 AM

Let the kids play and touch, that's how they learn.   Touching does not equal destruction when respect is present.

Richard

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Posted by Trynn_Allen2 on Monday, March 11, 2013 11:41 AM

1. Time era is from 1935 to 1955.  Try to be within +/- of that for operations and faithful to that for open houses.

2. Metal wheels/Kadee couplers are to be the norm, short time frames of Kadee clones is acceptable.  Non metal wheels are only acceptable if they are from Athearn.

3. Weathering is a grab bagged.  Somethings look good weathered, some don't.  It's in the eye of the wife and kids.

4.  There are only 2 dieseals allowed.  That is a pair of F7A/Bs that were bought before the COO was even in the picture.  They are allowed because they are bullet proof and there is little the kids can do to hurt them, including the 3.5' drop to the floor.

5. All engines must be either electric or steam.  See rule 4.

6. Comments about proto fidelity to anthro-geographic constructions and institutions will be noted and filed.  How the comment is phrased determines which file it goes to.

7. When in doubt, have fun first see Rules 1-3, and 5-6, otherwise.  4 is non-negotiable, the wife said so.

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Posted by pastorbob on Monday, March 11, 2013 12:52 PM

Pretty well covered everything but can add a couple of more.

Don't leave fingerprints in the dust on top the box cars.  I prefer to do my own weathering.

If you don't like Santa Fe (just before they became the Big Nasty Santa Fe), don't bother to visit.

If you don't like Oklahoma scenery, then go to Texas or Kansas.

If you don't like three level deck layouts, then don't bother to come.

If you don't like the 1989 era, then don't bother coming.

If you don't like to listen to grumpy old men (modelers), then visit the layout three blocks away.

If you don't like HO layouts, you can go outside and my wife will give you the tour of the garden railroad.  If you don't like that, the next layout is 3 blocks away.

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Posted by twhite on Monday, March 11, 2013 1:15 PM

Well, since I'm a Lone Wolf and don't have 'open houses' (except for anyone that wanders out to the garage during a dinner party or wanders into the garage when I've got the door up), I just have a few rules, mainly for close friends.

1: No smoking inside the garage.

2: Don't bother the raccoons if they walk through on their way to the back yard.

3: Time era is 1934-1953, so don't ask to see my AMTRAK or double-stacks.  For that matter, don't expect much in the way of diesels, period.

4: I don't do weathering, unless it's a steam locomotive.  Everyhthing else is on its own.

5: No, there is no actual railroad along the middle and north forks of the Yuba River.  It's called Protolancing. 

6: Yes, that orange lump on the cab of the locomotive is more than likely a Ladybug--I use them and Praying Mantids in the garden instead of insecticide.  They do occasionally fly in and hitch rides (not the Mantids, though).

7: Please don't ask to see how 'fast' they'll go--that's an actual 6-foot drop from the top of Yuba Pass to the cement garage floor.

Tom

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Posted by NP2626 on Monday, March 11, 2013 4:52 PM

What are your "stubborn old man" rules for your railroad?

Hey, I resemble that remark! 

Just so we're not singling any particular age group out, here is some information all should take note of: There are all kinds of "Stubborn Young Men!  In fact, I've run across plenty of "Grumpy Young Men, here on the Model Railroader Forums, also!Smile, Wink & Grin

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Posted by Fergmiester on Monday, March 11, 2013 5:35 PM

Simple

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/showgallery.php?cat=500&ppuser=5959

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Posted by fec153 on Monday, March 11, 2013 5:57 PM

RIGHT-ON , FERGIE.   I have the same thing on my wall. TEFFY gave it to me.

Safe sailing, Squid.

Flip

 

 

 

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Posted by Fergmiester on Monday, March 11, 2013 6:04 PM

I have to give Bob a call as I haven't talked to him in a dog's age

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Posted by Burlington Northern #24 on Monday, March 11, 2013 6:08 PM

NP2626

What are your "stubborn old man" rules for your railroad?

Hey, I resemble that remark! 

Just so we're not singling any particular age group out, here is some information all should take note of: There are all kinds of "Stubborn Young Men!  In fact, I've run across plenty of "Grumpy Young Men, here on the Model Railroader Forums, also!Smile, Wink & Grin

*raises hand* Laugh

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Posted by fec153 on Monday, March 11, 2013 6:45 PM

Gary- IT'S called LIFE. Win some , lose some.   Sorta like E-Bay.  lol

Heck, ask anyone in the Diner.

Flip

 

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