As the OP here (I rarely start threads), I'm OK with a broad definition of what's on topic. I think it's been an interesting mix of reactions, which is like life. It's the unexpected that oftentimes offers a new perspective on just about any issue.
The cover date vs mail date vs display date thing can be irritating, but it's a convention that's here to stay, I'm afraid. Kalmbach is just trying to fit in with the industry standard and would be at a disadvantage, however, small, if they did change the timing of the cover date. This trend was already well established by about 1970 in the wider publishing world, so it is a true mark of oldtimer status if you're remembering back before that. I don't know when MR shifted to this sort of schedule, but it's been a few decades ago.
Frankly, I think it's cool that MR is preserving some of their traditions, as so many others have fallen to the wayside. The April Fool thing is a little silly, but Patch Adams would say that it's good for your health, if you let it be.
Mike Lehman
Urbana, IL
rrinker Yeah, getting the April Fool joke at the end of February is a bit much. Seems the norm for mazagines these days, in addition to my APril MR arriving, I also got my digital subscriptions of the April issues of Popular Science and Popular Mechanics. Not sure when this became a publishign industry standard, or why. None of the excuses I've heard hold water, such as making sure the issue in on the newstand by the cover date. That didn't seem to bother anyone back in the days when the April issue of a magazine appeared in your mailbox and on the newstand sometime in APRIL, not February or March. Problem is, it was easy to switch TO this format, just rush production on an issue and you end up getting maybe 2 in the me month, and are now on the advanced schedule. Getting off it means going a long time with no issue, in the minds of (mindless) subscribers, "skipping" a month even though in the end you will get the same 12 issues per year as always. --Randy
Yeah, getting the April Fool joke at the end of February is a bit much. Seems the norm for mazagines these days, in addition to my APril MR arriving, I also got my digital subscriptions of the April issues of Popular Science and Popular Mechanics. Not sure when this became a publishign industry standard, or why. None of the excuses I've heard hold water, such as making sure the issue in on the newstand by the cover date. That didn't seem to bother anyone back in the days when the April issue of a magazine appeared in your mailbox and on the newstand sometime in APRIL, not February or March. Problem is, it was easy to switch TO this format, just rush production on an issue and you end up getting maybe 2 in the me month, and are now on the advanced schedule. Getting off it means going a long time with no issue, in the minds of (mindless) subscribers, "skipping" a month even though in the end you will get the same 12 issues per year as always.
--Randy
Watch out Randy the topic police will be after you too. You are talking about the the April Fool's thing in general and in when the mag shows up, not the merrits of this particular April Fool's event, which I suspect is the only thing about this the topic police expect you to talk about.
I think from here on out we should require each poster of a new thread to set guidelines as to the types of responses that will be considered "on topic" and therefor be allowed.
Any "side" issues that come up in the "conversation" clearly should not be allowed, as this might take us too far "off topic".
End of Sarcasm
Sheldon
Modeling the Reading Railroad in the 1950's
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Lehigh Valley 2089: Everybodies idea of fun is not the same, I have lots of fun with my trains, for some 40 plus years now and I don't obsess over what day of the month Model Railroader comes in the mail. Nor would I ever have any such unrealistic expectation that it should or would come on the same day evey month. I am amazed and amused by the number of people on here who seem to keep track of such things. As for the April fools thing, it is a tradition in our culture I could do without, another would be Halloween. Sheldon Yeah, we need to get rid of Thanksgiving too. Dumb turkeys. - Harry Isn't this just a little off topic to anyone?? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SIMULATED FIRING OF STEAM ENGINES, NOT HOLIDAYS AND WHICH ONES WE CAN LIVE WITHOUT!! Nor are we talking about when our magazines come in the mail.
Everybodies idea of fun is not the same, I have lots of fun with my trains, for some 40 plus years now and I don't obsess over what day of the month Model Railroader comes in the mail. Nor would I ever have any such unrealistic expectation that it should or would come on the same day evey month.
I am amazed and amused by the number of people on here who seem to keep track of such things.
As for the April fools thing, it is a tradition in our culture I could do without, another would be Halloween.
Yeah, we need to get rid of Thanksgiving too. Dumb turkeys.
Who made you the topic police? Early in this thread a number of people were moaning about when their MR showed up in their mailbox. I simply reponded to that, and to the fact that I was no more impressed or amused with this April Fools item than I have been with any of them, for some 40 years now.
I said my piece and let it alone - days latter you feel the need to be the topic police? It's call CONVERSATION and the moderators on here seem to understand that.
Even if I found the April Fools thing funny or cute, it arrives a month early - give or take - since I don't loose sleep of what day MR hits my mailbox. That kind of spoils the effect, don't you think?
It would be nice to find a post that wasn't off topic for once.
It's probably just a pet peve of mine, but it still really gets to me when people talk about other things that don't have anything to do with the original post.
Sorry if I offended anyone, but still, I would rather read posts that are at least on topic.
Have to admit though, there are holidays I think we can live without, but that is another thing to talk about somewhere else.
The Lehigh Valley Railroad, the Route of the Black Diamond Express, John Wilkes and Maple Leaf.
-Jake, modeling the Barclay, Towanda & Susquehanna.
Lehigh Valley 2089 Everybodies idea of fun is not the same, I have lots of fun with my trains, for some 40 plus years now and I don't obsess over what day of the month Model Railroader comes in the mail. Nor would I ever have any such unrealistic expectation that it should or would come on the same day evey month. I am amazed and amused by the number of people on here who seem to keep track of such things. As for the April fools thing, it is a tradition in our culture I could do without, another would be Halloween. Sheldon Yeah, we need to get rid of Thanksgiving too. Dumb turkeys. - Harry Isn't this just a little off topic to anyone?? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SIMULATED FIRING OF STEAM ENGINES, NOT HOLIDAYS AND WHICH ONES WE CAN LIVE WITHOUT!! Nor are we talking about when our magazines come in the mail.
Not so far-fetched. Years ago there was an article about a guy who built a full scale F unit nose in his layout room, got a bunch of real ex-Santa Fe parts to finish it off, connected the throttle to his power pack and did his thing.
Mike
Judging by peoples comments on when their issue of MRR comes, I think an awesome April Fool's joke would be to announce that MRR will now be delivered on a timetable. Actually do it for 1 issue and then quit!
BTW, I get mine issues when I can find them on the news stand. Sometimes they have it, sometimes they don't! LOL
Robert H. Shilling II
i know this is a bit but last year they got me completly,I just thought the guy was crazy. I was scratching my head. untill april first and our local TV station did theres and then I was like, That was the april fools joke. I don't expect aprils fool in march.
Boy did I have a laugh at my expense
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mononguy63I thought the article was well written, almost too much so. With the technology available and the lengths to which some of us seem willing to go for 'realistic operation'", it gets harder and harder to sound really outrageous any more! They did miss one major point, though. The firebox and tender should have been built on separate shaker tables (the kind structural engineers use to simulate earthquakes in tests) to emulate the motion of the moving locomotive. Can't DCC do that? Jim (still running shakeless DC)
I thought the article was well written, almost too much so. With the technology available and the lengths to which some of us seem willing to go for 'realistic operation'", it gets harder and harder to sound really outrageous any more!
They did miss one major point, though. The firebox and tender should have been built on separate shaker tables (the kind structural engineers use to simulate earthquakes in tests) to emulate the motion of the moving locomotive. Can't DCC do that?
Jim (still running shakeless DC)
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HarryHotspur ATLANTIC CENTRAL: Everybodies idea of fun is not the same, I have lots of fun with my trains, for some 40 plus years now and I don't obsess over what day of the month Model Railroader comes in the mail. Nor would I ever have any such unrealistic expectation that it should or would come on the same day evey month. I am amazed and amused by the number of people on here who seem to keep track of such things. As for the April fools thing, it is a tradition in our culture I could do without, another would be Halloween. Sheldon Yeah, we need to get rid of Thanksgiving too. Dumb turkeys.
ATLANTIC CENTRAL: Everybodies idea of fun is not the same, I have lots of fun with my trains, for some 40 plus years now and I don't obsess over what day of the month Model Railroader comes in the mail. Nor would I ever have any such unrealistic expectation that it should or would come on the same day evey month. I am amazed and amused by the number of people on here who seem to keep track of such things. As for the April fools thing, it is a tradition in our culture I could do without, another would be Halloween. Sheldon
No, I would keep Thanksgiving, it is fun quality family time, unlike Halloween. Luckily for me, I have not had to partake in Halloween for some 16 years, and I must admit the reason is ironic. All the kids in the neighborhood think our big Victorian house is haunted, so we have never had a trick or treater - not one in 16 years - and that's fine with me. I'm 54 years old, can't think of one positive Halloween memory.
ATLANTIC CENTRAL Everybodies idea of fun is not the same, I have lots of fun with my trains, for some 40 plus years now and I don't obsess over what day of the month Model Railroader comes in the mail. Nor would I ever have any such unrealistic expectation that it should or would come on the same day evey month. I am amazed and amused by the number of people on here who seem to keep track of such things. As for the April fools thing, it is a tradition in our culture I could do without, another would be Halloween. Sheldon
- Harry
I hear they thought about doing an oil burner, but there were liability problems with that idea. Seems all that twisting of valves, instead of shoveling, could have led to carpal tunnel issues.
[NOT making light of carpal tunnel sufferers here, as I know how bad that stuff is, this just fit so well]
The Western Maryland fueled most of its passenger power with oil as well, Baltimore had smoke restrictions in the "up town" areas the WM passed through. The PRR and the B&O used electrics and diesels early on to solve that problem.
Here on the ATLANTIC CENTRAL all or our steam passenger power is oil fired as well.
I don't model the west, but I sure do admire those clean, well proportioned SP oil burners of all sizes.
meh...
Any argument carried far enough will end up in Semantics--Hartz's law of rhetoric Emerald. Leemer and Southern The route of the Sceptre Express Barry
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<RANT>
Once again the lamestream model railroad press shows its bias towards the effete Eastern coal burning roads. Apparently, there is absolutely no awareness in the myopic offices of MR, RMC, etc. that there were wide swaths of the country where oil was used as a locomotive fuel and that some of the most famous and highly regarded railroads in the country (e.g. Santa Fe, Southern Pacific, Great Northern, Union Pacific, etc) used oil extensively. It is long past time when those of living in oil burning country should raise our voices in loud protest at the appalling ignorance and cavalier attitude of the current crop of model railroad publications who seem to think that railroads stopped east of the Rockies (incidentally, the FEC used oil as a locomotive fuel).
Addendum:
What makes this gaffe even more more of a head-scratching exercise is that modern coal burning steamers were stoker equipped. In fact, after April 15, 1939, all coal fired locomotives weighing above a certain weight on drivers (160,000 lbs passenger, 175,000 freight) built prior to April 15, 1939 and hand-fired were required to be retro-fitted with stokers by 04/15/1944. All locomotives of the same weight criteria built on or after 04/15/1939 were required to be factory-equipped with stokers. </RANT>
C'mon, people, if you're going to do an April Fool's joke, at least make it plausible. Moon railroad - plausible. Pressurized basement - plausible. Hand fired coal burner (unless on a short line, lightly used branch line or a model of a class 1 railroad prior to 1939 or so) - not plausible.
Andre
I have to admit that I read the article without giving any thought to it being in the April issue. After I read it, I said to myself, who could be bothered with such a mechanism to make thier trains run. Why would someone want to shovel coal to run thier layout? Then when I saw the subject line for this thread, it dawned on me that the article was tounge in cheek and not meant to be taken seriously.
I need to spend more time with my trains. I obviously have too much other stuff on my mind
Pat
Chuck,
Let us know when you find your reference to the fireman article. I'm certain that it will be of interest, since the history of animated firemen has yet to be written! I'm certain that Laurie would be interested and want to pass the info along to him.
pastorbob Now let's all grab our tools and get to laying track, after all, this is a serious hobby. Bob
Now let's all grab our tools and get to laying track, after all, this is a serious hobby.
Bob
I really ought to do that, now that I've finished my novel.
First, though, I think I'll dig out that old Tetsudo Mokei Shumi article and figure out how to rig my C56 class 2-6-0 with a fireman. The tender has six wheels in a rigid frame, so gearing him to the front axle....
Chuck (Having fun while modeling Central Japan in September, 1964)
I am surprised that brother Sheldon even bothers to waste time looking at it. Anyway, to each his own. Have been in the hobby since 1957 or 1958, have been through several layouts, have always worked to improve my skills, but I still enjoy a little humor. The one this issue is a little subtle for many, but I thought it was funny. Anway, I use the rule of thumb that says "if it doesn't look interesting, then skip it and move on. That applies to the April fool thing also.
Geared Steam ATLANTIC CENTRAL: Everybodies idea of fun is not the same, I have lots of fun with my trains, for some 40 plus years now and I don't obsess over what day of the month Model Railroader comes in the mail. Nor would I ever have any such unrealistic expectation that it should or would come on the same day evey month. I am amazed and amused by the number of people on here who seem to keep track of such things. As for the April fools thing, it is a tradition in our culture I could do without, another would be Halloween. Sheldon I'm constantly amazed and amused at the value that some people believe there opinion is worth.
I'm constantly amazed and amused at the value that some people believe there opinion is worth.
Have a mirror handy?
Since Sheldon is a fellow user of the MZL system I would tend to value his opinion - even though I don't agree with it. OTOH, there's an old saying that goes, "If you don't have a positive contribution, don't contribute."
Come 1 April 2012 one train will come out of Down staging behind a GG1, and change it for a NYC S1a at Tomikawa. Pretty good trick, since all the trackwork is supposedly 1067mm gauge (3' 6" for the metrically challenged.) That's why it only happens once a year...
Chuck (Modeling Central Japan in September, 1964)
"The true sign of intelligence is not knowledge but imagination."-Albert Einstein
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Fascinating ref to an earlier animated fireman. Some ideas aren't totally new, but the means to do them often are. That's one reason I like Laurie's work. He combines old fashioned scratchbuilding with the most modern of digital devices based on what most of the rest of the world considers to be RTR. To Laurie, a shiny new Blackstone is just raw material for way more fun than some people are comfortable with.
Randy,
Now I finally know why the kids are all going soft. When they go to the museum, they're shoveling coal made of foam!
Sheldon,
I'm guessing you weren't one of those saddened when the slogan "Model Railroading Is Fun" was dropped from the front cover?
Re mail delivery, unless you get a first class mail subscription, once the issue is turned over to the PO, there's not much MR can do about delivery. Its distribution from there depends on PO workload and other local conditions. Distance from the printer also has some effect, but less so than the lower priority that magazines have in the system. I'm fortunate here, as it seems like it arrives a few days early some months, but rather consistently on the first Saturday of the month prior to issue cover date. The local postmaster seems to bat cleanup at the end of every week on periodicals. YMMV.
In any case, if the PO delivery is frustrating, remember that MR is now available in an e-edition.
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galaxy Thanks for the interesting heads up. My magazines from Kalmbach usually arrive on the 29th, or 30th. SInce we had no 30th this year, I assume my mags are late due to that. Perhaps it will show up in today's mail. If not I might have to call them! I would happily shovel simulated scale coal into a simulated scale firebox as my back can't handle the 1:1 activity!
Thanks for the interesting heads up.
My magazines from Kalmbach usually arrive on the 29th, or 30th. SInce we had no 30th this year, I assume my mags are late due to that.
Perhaps it will show up in today's mail.
If not I might have to call them!
I would happily shovel simulated scale coal into a simulated scale firebox as my back can't handle the 1:1 activity!
I have been getting Model Railroader via subscription continuously since 1973, and I must say I have no idea what day of the month it arrives on. In fact, by my recolection, it virtually never comes on the same day of the month - but admittedly I have much more imprtant things to keep track of. Some how it seems unlikely that the printing, or the post office could even begin to be that consistant.
And if I recall, it seems sometimes it is more than two months early, while other times only 4-6 weeks early of the "cover" month? So how could it come on the same day every month?
As for the April fools joke, I have yet to be amussed in 39 years, this one appears to be no different.
-G .
Just my thoughts, ideas, opinions and experiences. Others may vary.
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