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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, December 4, 2011 7:52 AM

TMarsh

Ulrich- I so sorry to hear of the latest in the job situation. Are they paying you yet? If not I certainly hope you receive some sort of compensation for what you’ve done so far. Keep your chin up. You are trying and that is much more than can be said for many over here.

 

Todd - compensation? Oh, yeah, they pay the gas I use up to go there, but no compensation for the extra wear and tear of my old car, nor the higher insurance rate I have to pay due to the extra mileage. If I were a management consultant, they´d owe me $ 50,000 for all the work I have chipped in during the last year.

 

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Posted by TMarsh on Sunday, December 4, 2011 7:40 AM

Good Morning!! Coffee and the Sunday Breakfast Buffet please. Thanks.

Mostly cloudy, with a temperature falling to around 44 by 5pm. Currently it’s 50.

Rob- 50 to 60 horse should be a good choice. Actually my buddy pulls a 8 row planter with his 60hp AGCO. It’s front wheel assist and yes, it’s pretty maxed out, but he’s done it for probably, 8-10 years. I wouldn’t recommend THAT, but just to get you an idea. It has a bucket on it and usually has the brush hog. It will do quite a bit.

Ulrich- I so sorry to hear of the latest in the job situation. Are they paying you yet? If not I certainly hope you receive some sort of compensation for what you’ve done so far. Keep your chin up. You are trying and that is much more than can be said for many over here.

Was gonna say something to Jeff, but I can't remember what it was....hm. Or was it Ray. Maybe Lee. OH YAH, now I remember...

Floor Wars: Williamsville- Phase One of the mission is nearing completion. I should have it completed by the end of this leisurely day. Then comes clean up (THAT could take a decade). Then on to Phase TWO. The hall bathroom (oooooo) THAT probably won't happen until next week as her Pampered Chef partay is Sunday and I know she won't trust me to have it back working by then. Whistling Mischief

Ya’ll have a Great Day!!!

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, December 4, 2011 7:15 AM

Good Afternoon Gang!

It´s past lunchtime, so I´ll just settle for some coffee, please.

Things are not looking bright at this end of the Big Pond. Today´s dinner appointment has just been canceled, right after Petra had set up everything. I am glad she is not angry, just as disappointed as I am. We had hoped to be able to address those pressing issues and find a solution. As things look now, I won´t be in a job by January - another bubble that has burst.

I had so many hopes attached to that job.

I have positively reached the end of my wits now - guess I need a miracle to happen. I am glad that Petra is giving me so much support, without her, I´d be completely lost.

Not a happy camper anymore.

Have a good day!

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Sunday, December 4, 2011 6:08 AM

Good morning. It's 65° and cloudy. The high will be 72°. It will be cloudy with a 50% chance of showers.

Today I plan to have a general cleanup on the layout. There's quite a bit of clutter from recent projects and it's starting to take over. Yesterday I had to make repairs on an Athearn tractor trailer as the fifth wheel had broken off. A drop of super glue later and it was back where it belonged, after I peeled my fingertip off the back of the truck that is. I gave a good two hours to dry before reattaching the trailer so there was no possibility of them being permanently joined. I also went to Lowe's to get two bottles of super glue gel, two rolls of one inch wide masking tape, three mis-tinted paint samples, a new light switch and ten rolls of paper towels. Then on to Wal-Mart to get the second half of the grocery shopping done. Wal-Mart was a mad house as it seemed everybody else had the same idea. Today I'll be recovering from that.

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Good Morning...
Posted by wetidlerjr on Sunday, December 4, 2011 6:06 AM

 

Good Morning ! from Tipton IN.

 

 

Cool

 

 

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Posted by thortenney on Sunday, December 4, 2011 6:05 AM

Morning Guys & Sue!   I got a quite a bit of bench work done yesterday. Our club had a meeting yesterday we had a record attendance. Each month our group grows by a few new members. We had the VP from ExactRail come and tell us all about their company. It was a good time. Great to get out and spend some time with some good people who have the same addiction we all do. I am gonna have a cup and get busy, I will pop in later to see what you are all up to today. Enjoy your Sunday! 

Lee, I hear you with the clean up to mess up thing! My wife keeps our house spotless and with my  Dog and Me   around she has plenty to do.  She had to go to the office yesterday so I went wild with noisy/messy tools.... Today I have a ton of kissing up to do!!

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Posted by blownout cylinder on Sunday, December 4, 2011 6:04 AM

Good Morning

We are getting rain be falling on our heads today..and a high near 50F under the rainy, and windy, clouds of London..

So far it has been a peaceful weekend..let us hope it stays that way....

Flo, I'll just have a coffee for now please..I'll be at the RC for a bit

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Posted by LSWrr on Sunday, December 4, 2011 4:52 AM

Good Morning,

Well, I managed to clean out the dining room last night.  Today I’ll be working in the basement.  Funny; I don’t remember working this hard to mess it up…

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GOOD MORNING
Posted by galaxy on Sunday, December 4, 2011 2:07 AM

GOOD MORNING!!!

Today is SUnday, December 4th, 2011!!!

Only 20 more shopping days til Christmas!!!

Be sure to email Santa your direct links to favorite MRRing stuff!!!

Geeked

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Posted by Cederstrand on Saturday, December 3, 2011 10:29 PM

Chamomile tea, please.

***Jeffrey, nice composition on the black & white pic there.Yes

***ROAR, was there much money in raising cows?

So much for falling to sleep early. Can only stare at the ceiling for so long, then it's time to get out of bed awhile.

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Posted by BamaCSX83 on Saturday, December 3, 2011 10:01 PM

Well hey all.  Been a good day for me.  Although I didn't sleep too well last night, I DID have an excellent day at w**k lots, of sales, lots of customers.  Got tomorrow and monday off, so tomorrow will be a church and family/friends day.  Monday, not soo sure yet, will probably do a couple side jobs, and try to hit the woods monday afternoon, rain supposed to be moving in, so I might not make it out there to hunt, but it would be nice.  Saw my first deer this afternoon when I got home, it was just inside the tree line off the eastern side of my house, startled it as I got out my car after getting off from w**k.  It was a doe, but still a deer is a deer.  Right now I'm letting my girls have a late night up with mom and dad, we're watching Lion King on blu-ray and then they'll be off to bed.  I'm about to see what else I can stir up, then see about heading off to bed.  More sleep than last night would be a good idea.

Ray, do please get the exhaust leak checked up as soon as you can, those can be serious.

Welp, that's about it for me, gonna check off here soon.  Might pop back in before heading off to bed for myself, if not, I'll catch all of you in the morning.

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Posted by blownout cylinder on Saturday, December 3, 2011 9:53 PM

Garry:  IIRC the pick up bugs had the same type engine in them..just repositioned a bit though...at least the one my dad had seemed like it...

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Anyhooo...I think I's abouts to do the same here...cuddle up to the stove and relax a mite...

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Posted by howmus on Saturday, December 3, 2011 9:40 PM

Evenin' folks!

Janie just a decaf for me right now... 

Spent some time in the layout rooms tonight...  Reinforced the plastic floor/ceiling where the Boilers/turbines/generators will end up.  Figured it couldn't hurt as it will be holding quite a bit of weight when it is finished and I don't want to have to remove it when it decides to warp on me...  I also started w*rk on the second Steam Boiler.  This one should be easier as I know what I am doing...  I also decided to fix a couple little items I didn't like on the first one, and in so doing destroyed half of the details on it.... Grumpy  They poped off and flew all over, they did...  After a half hour on my hands and knees under the w*rkbench, I did manage to find all the parts....  This time they will get glued on correctly....

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Ray ... If you are feeling "woozy", please get a check up ASAP.  Don'y brush it off as just one of those flukey things. 

Garry, only time I got "woozy" was when i was driving the pickup truck....  Doesn't happen when I'm driving the Yaris or any place else...  THAT and the smell of exhaust lets me pretty much guess what is going on.  I live less than a mile from the dealer/repair shop, and will drive there with the window open...  I feel fine now!

I'm going to go join Barry and Duke in the back and soak up some heat from the stove for a bit.

Later!

73

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Posted by Heartland Division CB&Q on Saturday, December 3, 2011 9:24 PM

Duke .... I hope we did not disturb your slumber too much. 

Paul ... Good to see you again. I'm impressed with the locos you have acquired. 

Barry ... I wonder about the VW bug converted to a pickup. The rear engine must have been a problem. 

Ray ... If you are feeling "woozy", please get a check up ASAP.  Don'y brush it off as just one of those flukey things. 

Rob ... I hope you are not too cold there. 

We still have out-of-town visitors. ...

I'm planning to order one of the new "drop in" sound decoders for Proto E8's made by MRC which will be for one of my CB&Q E8's. Also, I'm getting a dummy GN E7 to go with my new powered GN E7. I will put sound in the dummy along with a decoder for the headlight. Not much else to report with all of the non-MRR stuff going on.  

 

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Saturday, December 3, 2011 9:15 PM

Time for me to call it a night. See y'all tomorrow.

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Saturday, December 3, 2011 9:00 PM

That's almost too cute for words.

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Posted by BroadwayLion on Saturday, December 3, 2011 8:59 PM

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Evening Gang:  I finally figured out what was the problem with the Kalmbach web and my computer. I need to run the web in refresh because my computer is old. Anyway that’s part of why I haven’t been in much. Also I haven’t been doing much MRRing due to the busy things that the ranch is needing tended to. We finally got the last of the hay baled. We got a whole 14 bales off of 17 acres. That makes about 160 for the year. Really down from last years 800. Now I hear they are predicting another drought year in 2012.
        


800 bales would have been a bad year for us, but this year we did no bailing at all. Instead we sold the cows. About 200 or them. The neighbor down the road is renting our land, and he did the bailing this year, but I do not know how many he was able to make.

All of our cows are now gone, the the neighbor is now putting some of his on our land, so if you look out the window, you will still see cows, they are just not our cows. but then we do not have to go out when it is -20 to feed them nor to we have to stay up the whole month of February/March to calf them.

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Posted by Curt Webb on Saturday, December 3, 2011 8:46 PM

MOH just gave this to me for a Christmas ornament.

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Posted by Curt Webb on Saturday, December 3, 2011 8:25 PM

Evening All,

Just got back from the club. Ran a I1sa coal drag. Will probably decorate the tree tomorrow before my son goes to work. I picked up a 12 hour OT shift Monday to help pay for Christmas.

I changed the couplers today on all the passenger cars. Four of them didn't need any adjustment, and the rest do. Guess what I will be doing tomorrow? Working on couplers is probably the least favorite task of MRR to me.

A club member had the new Spectrum EM-1 (2-6-6-4). It looked and ran very nicely. I can't wait for the new Mogul.

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Posted by Paul W. Beverung on Saturday, December 3, 2011 8:08 PM

Evening Gang:  I finally figured out what was the problem with the Kalmbach web and my computer. I need to run the web in refresh because my computer is old. Anyway that’s part of why I haven’t been in much. Also I haven’t been doing much MRRing due to the busy things that the ranch is needing tended to. We finally got the last of the hay baled. We got a whole 14 bales off of 17 acres. That makes about 160 for the year. Really down from last years 800. Now I hear they are predicting another drought year in 2012.

            I have been working on the layout this last month. I got it cleaned off and the basement cleaned up partly. I put up six new florescent lights so that I can actually see what I’m doing. The track is all cleaned and I have run several locomotives that I’ve had for some time but never run. The BLI heavy mike does real well on DC, as do the Walthers H-10-44. These are all DCC equipped. I also ran the Milwaukee Road 1935 Hiawatha from Fox Valley. It runs well but the coupler pins all are too low. These will have to be fixed. My two Walthers H-12-44s in DC run great but they need Kadee couplers. I also got a 2-8-8-2 from Walthers and ran it.

The layout needs to be re-wired since I did not do a good job when I built it 20 yrs ago. I thought about going DCC with it but then I have soooo many DC locomotives that the expense is way out of sight. I’ll wire it with block control and if I hit the jack pot I’ll have them changed over. Until then I’ll just plug along.                                                          It’s raining again. It’s been doing that since yesterday and we really need it. I still have to haul in 12 bales of hay but I’ll wait until the rain stops. The weather guessers say that may be Tuesday. Monday they are saying colder with a possibility of freezing rain or snow. That’s ok its all moisture.

Well it’s still early so I am going to leave out and head for the basement. Take care everyone.

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Posted by blownout cylinder on Saturday, December 3, 2011 6:24 PM

Ray:  Got the linkee for that boiler..have something planned for that one...yes, I be looking at doing summat on another HO diorama....

Good Evening..

Well(kind of wet. Frogs swimming abouts) tomorrow is going to be a raining kind of day for us'uns...then we will see some more showers on Monday with a few little tiny snowfluffies for Tuesday now...

I managed to get a few hours of train running ..around and aroundWhistlingMischief...and found no issues on the layout..now..on Tuesday, when I be having the fellows up here..I am predicting total disaster will occur...WhistlingSigh

Chloe, I'll have a BIG ol' Rib Dinner with all the fixin's and a large RBF please..I'll be at the corner booth for now.....

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Posted by LSWrr on Saturday, December 3, 2011 5:13 PM

Good Evening,

So far the March 1941 issue was the first to have HO scale trains in the advertisements that I’ve noticed.  A whole year of MR was $1.50.  Of course this was the first issue with a diesel on the cover, the AT&SF Super Chief…

Dorothy surprised me with an early birthday present: 10” Porter Cable portable table saw.  The saw folds up into a hand truck.  This will be nice when I want to use it down near the train room.

Ray you need to get that looked at!  Good thing you noticed right away.

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Posted by Seamonster on Saturday, December 3, 2011 3:56 PM

I see I got the top again.  Well, I guess afternoon coffee break (or afternoon tea as they call it in England) is on me.  Tea and crumpets for everyone, Flo, and put it on my tab.

 

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Posted by howmus on Saturday, December 3, 2011 3:55 PM

Afternoon folks!

Just a cup of hot chocolate for me right now Chloe...

Got the wood splitter back home.  Found out the truck is going to have to go in for an exhaust system check next week....  I got about half way to Canandaigua driving over to the museum and found I could barely keep my eyes open...  Then realized i was smelling exhaust from the truck.....  Funny no loud sounds as usual from when a tailpipe goes, but none the less I recognized the smell.  Rolled down the window and turned the heater to full air exchange and made it out to the museum.  By the time the splitter was loaded on the trailer, I was feeling fine.  By the time I was half way home with it, even with the drivers side window half way open, I was starting to feel woozy again.  Made several stops on the way home to get out of the truck, check the straps on the splitter, and just get some fresh air... 

I will need to get it done ASAP as my son will be needing to drive the truck to work next Friday I think!

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RAY:  I'm really liking the looks of that boiler.  who is the Mfg of it and what other items do they have ?

Johnboy the Steam Boiler is this one from American Model Builders: http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/152-106  They also make a stationary Steam engine which can be used to power belt driven equipment.  Unfortunately they don't make a turbine kit.....  I will have to scratch build those.

Barry, the boiler is the start of the inside detail for the Power House.

Gettin' chilly here so I best go feed the wood stove....

Later!

73

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Posted by Seamonster on Saturday, December 3, 2011 3:54 PM

Garry:  Ready for winter?  If by that you mean do I have the heavy jackets and parkas hanging by the back door with the insulated boots, scarves, toques and mitts, then yes.  If you mean psychologically ready, then no, never.  I don't like winter.  I don't like 30 and 40 below, I don't like shovelling snow, and I miss sitting at the beach looking at the scenery.  No, I'm not ready for winter, never will be.  At least winters aren't as bad and not nearly as long as they were back in the '70s when we lived 500 air miles north of here.

Johnboy:  Will you quit sending that cold and snow our way?  I know that our weather patterns move west to east (except for the Colorado lows which take dead aim at us) but couldn't you just divert it a bit north, bend its path a little?

CN Charlie:  Try using some rosin core flux (NOT the acid kind used for plumbing) on the joint before applying the solder and heat.  And clean the area first.  I use flux and have a chisel tip on my iron and the solder flows all over the rail joiner and under it.  I have my iron set to about 30-35 watts and I rarely melt any ties.  With the higher heat and the flux, I'm not in there long enough for the heat to spread to the ties.

 

 

 

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Posted by bjdukert on Saturday, December 3, 2011 2:44 PM

Barry    

Must have fell asleep in the corner booth again...no wonder Duke is always back here..its so cuddled up here...
    ssssshhhhhhh!!!!!!!!   You will let the secret out  WinkWhistlingBig Smile

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Duke

 

 

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Posted by blownout cylinder on Saturday, December 3, 2011 2:24 PM

Hello...I'll have a coffee and a Hungry Man's Lunch if you ain't too busy, ma'am...please and thankye...

Well, it do look like a slow day for me tday..actually had a good 5 hours of sleep since this morning heeheehee

Rivet counting threads with no flaming sessions? Who'da thunk it?Smile, Wink & Grin

Any 'get up and get'r'done' around here just 'got up and disappeared' on me lately..must be the time of year too....ah me...it just might be that I do be getting older...

Think I'll j'es set by the ol' pot belly stove in back here .....

mmmmmm...wonder where the road is here...Huh?

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Posted by galaxy on Saturday, December 3, 2011 1:53 PM

jeffrey-wimberly

Good morning. It's 56° and cloudy. The high will be 70° and we will be having what the weather guesser calls 'partial sunshine'. Looks like mostly cloudy to me.

...I'll just do what I think should be done when I think of it providing I can remember it long enough to do anything about it. I can think of something to do and by the time I've gotten up to - what was I going to do? It can be aggravating at times....

I have the same problem. The thing is if I DO remember what I was going to do, My "get up and go" to do it has "got up and gone".

Sometimes I think it's the medcations I take that cause the memory lapses. If not, I hate to see what will become of me when I get older? WIll I become a blathering idot who doesn't make any sense when he talks? I USED to be a good speller {forget teh dyslexic and bad dyslexic typing}, but now I find myself wondering if words like "really" has one "L" or two "L"s. and the word "with" never looks right to me..Assuming I can get it typed out right.

What else was I gonna say? Ah, nuts...

Geeked

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Posted by Cederstrand on Saturday, December 3, 2011 12:56 PM

Coffee refill, please.

***Johnboy, haven't ordered a stove yet. Need to get either the van or pickup fixed first, so I have a way to bring home a 3/4" sheet of plywood to start work on the base. That's my new priority, get one of them running/reliable.

So, how much difference does HP make between tractors? Been looking at 50hp and up tractors to replace my sick little old J.D., before the transmission gives out. Will use it mostly for moving dirt around, including some road building and moving round bales, fallen trees, etc... Doubt I will ever get into trying to bale my own, just because even used equipment for that costs a fortune and I haven't the land to make it viable. Any thoughts?

Sure is windy here today. Rob

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Posted by last mountain & eastern hogger on Saturday, December 3, 2011 10:58 AM

Whistling

Oh, I see the Diner has come to rest not far from the old Mile High Stadium. Denver is such a pretty city but the air is so thin I have to inhale three times to get the amount of oxygen that I need.

Chloe, I feel great, I got to sleep in today and it was wonderful.  I'll have a re-do on that Mountaineer Special of the other day.  It was great.  follow that with a H.C. if you please.

GARRY:  The winters that I loved were in my early years when I did lots of skiing and snowmobiling and of course sledding with my boys.  Absolutley hated the part of winter for the forty years I was on the road. And now still it is just something that we put up with. Not much fun anymore. Too much worry about slips and falls with the accompanying broken hips, ankles, wrists etc.and then that stupid driver somewhere around you that hasn't polished up their winter driving skills.   Best to stay in the train room, me thinks....

ROB:  Hope you can stay warm until that new wood stove arrives.  About the dry eyes. I have somewhat of a problem there but not as much as you seem to have. I handle mine with an over the counter product called "Tears Naturale Free".  Inside the box is a number of little plastic vials that you break the end off and drip the solution on to your eye.  Works good for me.  Also quite reasonable in price.

JEFFERY;  having watched my Mother go through the various stages of Altzhiemers I think if we keep busy with our hobby, actively reading about it, learning new skills and sharing thoughts with others such as here on the Forum, that will truly help with keeping that dreaded foe at bay. Not a guarentee, but a major help in not having to give in to it.   What say Bro ??

JERRY;  How is that new Division of the Illinois Southern coming along ?.  We haven't heard any reports lately.  Hope you and Sallie are doing well.  Have you got the snow and ice tires on those power chairs yet?

 Ulrich;  So sorry to hear of that set back. However we know you are diplomatic enough that you should be able to arrange things so a person like that has less say or at least is kept from being in the face of the Company.   Thoughts and Prayers are with you on that.

LEE:  Now that you have that new disk those bridges will never get done. Your modeling will cease, as you just sit in that recliner and read all the past issues of MR on the computer's big screen.

THAYNE:  Glad you survived the Big Blow. Also hope that Bridge Tom, Blazzin Keith and all others in the Southwest did as well.  Boy I hate the wind.  and we get lots of it.

KURT:   I am always amazed at the amount of progress you make in a very short time.  Whats your secret??

RAY:  I'm really liking the looks of that boiler.  who is the Mfg of it and what other items do they have ?

CN. Charlie and Bob Seamonster,  Get your woolies out,  it dropped down here last night about 15 degrees and is very chilly here now even after the sun came up.

Well I had better go and make some things happen..  Maybe put up the tree today then if time allows somemore work on the waterfall area of the LM&E.

Keep smiling guys and you too SUE, it really looks good on ya.

Johnboy out....................................but not outside right now

from Saskatchewan, in the Great White North.. 

We have met the enemy,  and he is us............ (Pogo)

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