UP seeks 3% royalty on use of their logos.

[Jetrock]

It was always gray. It's nice that they donated to charities but not nice what they're doing to Amtrak and it's not nice what they're trying to do to the model-railroad industry.

I'm not trying to say that UP is Evil Incarnate and I don't think anyone here is trying to say that. I am dismayed by the folks who seem to think that UP is Good Incarnate and that they can do no wrong--it is disturbing to see people think in such black & white terms.

So, sure, it's nice they made a donation, but that doesn't excuse their bad behavior in other areas.

[philnrunt]

Ya know, I hate to do this cause it will keep this thing alive, but is anyone aware that UP donated 240K $ to various charities, programs and other things in Northern Calif?
It was mentioned in the Trains.com update a week ago.
Black and white slowly turns to grey!

[the-big-blow]

ALL HAIL UP!!!!!

[Jetrock]

Which is the dumb part.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Jetrock

Show me ONE piece of Central Pacific rolling stock still in revenue service!!!

Makes no difference if there's a million cars or none. It's ownership of names that carries legal weight, not whether the name is painted on a freight car.

Wayne

[Jetrock]

Show me ONE piece of Central Pacific rolling stock still in revenue service!!!

[dehusman]

Many of the roads that "no longer exist" still have thousands of cars (and some locomotives) lettered for them. The railroad still owns the reporting marks. The NS and CSXT revived the NYC and PRR reporting marks decades after the the railroads "ceased to exist". The American Regrigerator Transit company (ex-MP, ex-Wabash) reporting marks are still used today (many of the UP's rebuilt reefers have them). The fallen flags still exist legally in contracts, leases, etc.

Dave H.

[Jetrock]

Apparently UP is having a hard time justifying charging for the logos of companies that they absorbed decades ago. Charging licensing fees for railroads that NO LONGER EXIST is just plain dumb!

[Bergie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by up9899

dougal wtf are you talkin about? geez some people

[:(!]

Everyone has an opinion, up9899. Antonio is right... there's no need to get agitated. More importantly, there's no need to jump on anyone with a differing opinion... we all know it only leads to unwanted bashing.

Bergie

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by snakeriver
In regards to what will become of the future of Union Pacific "NO ONE KNOWS THE FUTURE SO STOP TRYING TO PREDICT IT!"

I'm sick of listening to this. [B)]

[Anonymous]

I did not know that UP was not getting any money for the use of there logo. Its there company and they have that right to be compensated. I do not like the idea because that may make things cost more but then UP could ban anything to be sold with there name on it and then we would be crying.
In regards to what will become of the future of Union Pacific "NO ONE KNOWS THE FUTURE SO STOP TRYING TO PREDICT IT!"

[Anonymous]

[sigh]

[Anonymous]

screw undecorated locos, UP all the way!

[Anonymous]

I think anyone upset by U.P. should buy all the unpainted models and make your own style of model. I do not like U.P. so I do not model it. When it comes down to the bottom line, if one pulls it, they will all pull it, just for extra $$$$$. That is why America is so distrusted. GREED! Corporate America, Lawyers and the whole works. Some day your offspring can read about " Why the great country failed!"
That is why you can buy undecorated locos and cars!

[Anonymous]

heck no!! UP 4 life!!! amigo!

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by 4884bigboy

QUOTE: Originally posted by dougal

Well in five years NS, CSX, UP, BNSF. CP, and CN will all be fallen flags. Nothing lasts forever.

Ok so what will be left?

That leaves KCS which means they will rule the rails of America![}:)]HA,HA,HA[}:)]

[Anonymous]

One more thing, a final mega merger isn't certain.


Lets just drop the subject of UP

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by NorthernStudio
My stock broker needs to know if you've gotten this info by following their annual reports & growth projections or from your Ouija Board.

I don't follow the finacial part of railroading, I look at the past, 50 years ago there were dozens of Class 1 railroads in the US and Canada, there are only 7 left.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by dougal

Well in five years NS, CSX, UP, BNSF. CP, and CN will all be fallen flags. Nothing lasts forever.

My stock broker needs to know if you've gotten this info by following their annual reports & growth projections or from your Ouija Board.

I agree a specific forum for UP silliness would be nice.

Wayne

[Anonymous]

"UNION PACIFIC RAILROAD [censored]"

[AntonioFP45]

UP9899,

Hey guy, relax. No need to get agitated.

You seem to be taking some of the comments too personally. We're all modelers here, not enemies. If some people make comments that are unfavorable about our favorite railroad, so be it! Won't hurt the railroad, won't hurt you. Let it go, Amigo!

Whether UP is around 5 years from now won't matter as the tracks and service will still be there. Fallen flags are created as the result of business decisions. If the UP does merge with another road and changes names, most of us will still appreciate the rich history. All railroads have or have had their "dark periods" in the past century.

Who will buyout who or merge with what road? Regardless, you, me and the rest of us will admire and model the roads we prefer!

My favorites, SCL and NH dissappeared a while back. And yet, the NH had very narrow minded, and arrogant leadership, while the SCL often "slacked off" in track maintenance in the late 70s. Nothing for me to get upset about if someone brought this up. I'm still modeling these roads.

Take care, guy!

[Anonymous]

Nobody, everyone will merge and there will only be two Class 1's left.

[Anonymous]

dougal wtf are you talkin about? geez some people

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by dougal

Well in five years NS, CSX, UP, BNSF. CP, and CN will all be fallen flags. Nothing lasts forever.

Ok so what will be left?

[Anonymous]

Well in five years NS, CSX, UP, BNSF. CP, and CN will all be fallen flags. Nothing lasts forever.

[skir4d]

Go to the USPTO web site (US patent and Trademark Office) and do a search for UP. You'll find that they have not yet been awarded the trademarks covering models and such for most of the fallen flag railroads yet, or at least not the last time I checked. Sending them a letter (which I have done) may prevent them from awarding the trademark, may not. But at least its worth a shot... they have not been awarded all the trade mark protections they wanted on old UP logo's either. Its a positve action to take if it really matters to you.

Jack W

[Anonymous]

The Chicago Tribune is just now getting on to this story? It's been old news for more than 15 months.

[Anonymous]

UP rules...they will live on forever!!!

[AntonioFP45]

Guys,

So it's nothing to "celebrate" but nothing to get "mad" about either.

Three percent on a $50 HO engine would be $1.50. Hopefully, the MANUFACTURERS and distributors will make a "reasonable" price adjustment of 3% to 4% to cover their expenses instead of price gouging.[;)][8)]

As for UP becoming a fallen flag. Possibilities should never be discounted. Don't forget that at one time the thought of Burlington Northern, Southern Pacific, or Santa fe becoming fallen flags was considered a fantasy JOKE! (especially after the failed attempted merger of the Santa Fe / Southern Pacific years back) No one seems to be laughing today.

Saying "Yayyy!! UP" or "Boo UP" is not going to affect anything at all. Move on and enjoy the hobby! I choose to remember the UP of the past. A top notch innovative railroad. I still plan on purchasing two SD40-2s in the UP scheme. I'm not a UP modeler, but I like the way these units look and will run them as "foreign power" on my upcoming SCL based layout.

Cheers!