My small layout is woefully inadequate. I found this video of a single Challenger, good old 3985, charging up a grade with 143 freight cars, I think all doublestacks, and it appears to be doing all of 50 mph, maybe more.
Where would I find room to trail 143 doublestacks?
I wonder what the guys in the diesel were thinking..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhgHrDbN4EU
-Crandell
~G4
19 Years old, modeling the Cowlitz, Chehalis, and Cascade Railroad of Western Washington in 1927 in 6X6 feet.
One-hundred-and-forty-three? I can't count that high.
Mark
selector I wonder what the guys in the diesel were thinking..
"Well, at least we've got air conditioning."
So that's how they get the 420 miles on 1 gallon of diesel for 1 ton of freight! The commercial doesn't mention coal or bunker oil and water use.
I say bring them all back and tell the oil companies off for good! Its just too bad this country could not build anything like it again.
Pete
I pray every day I break even, Cause I can really use the money!
I started with nothing and still have most of it left!
Nice thought, but I think these were/are oil burners.
One thing I'd like to point out to our steam-aholics - notice that there is no thick, black smoke. A well fired steam locomotive (coal or oil) once under way will produce very little smoke and the smoke it does produce should be pale and light in color. It's evidence of a good fire and efficient burn of the fuel.
Silver Pilot Nice thought, but I think these were/are oil burners.
They were originally built as coal burners and converted later. When #3985 was resurrected, she was a coal burner. After providing a good workout for several fire departments with her cinder throwing shenanigans, she was converted to oil.
I happened to be in Salt Lake City in 1982 for one of #3985's trips as a coal burner. She set a number of fires between SLC and Provo.
Andre
Silver Pilot One thing I'd like to point out to our steam-aholics - notice that there is no thick, black smoke. A well fired steam locomotive (coal or oil) once under way will produce very little smoke and the smoke it does produce should be pale and light in color. It's evidence of a good fire and efficient burn of the fuel.
So I guess this means Broadway's smoke units are realistic after all.
I'm not sure you diesel-holics are getting the message here. Maybe this'll help.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9alWb5KI5Uo
Slide the time indicator over to the 2 minute and 30 second mark. Make sure your speakers are on, and turn them up a bit. Enjoy a Challenger towing two modern diesels on full set-up all over the Cheyenne yard.
If you ever want to see a steam locomotive belch a towering cloud of midnight-black exhaust, just catch your favorite oilburner when the fireman decides it's time to sand the flues.
Even the crummy coal burned by the JNR could never compete in that league!
(And now you know why I won't even consider adding smoke units to my steam locos.)
Chuck (Modeling Central Japan in September, 1964)
Yada Yada Yada
Check out the 614 at 80 MPH
That's cookin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rmKYGEicP4&NR=1
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selectorit appears to be doing all of 50 mph
The video notes indicate 35 MPH, still very impressive.
As far as your layout being inadequate, another recent thread discussing the space needed for true prototype modeling said something like 'start with a blimp hanger'...
George In Midcoast Maine, 'bout halfway up the Rockland branch
Seen the video before but thanks for posting again Crandell.
I wonder what the engineer thought when he saw the Challenger coming around the bend? I would think something like What the fill in the blank! 0
I wounder how hard it was working pulling that drag?
Cuda Ken
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selectorMy small layout is woefully inadequate. I found this video of a single Challenger, good old 3985, charging up a grade with 143 freight cars, I think all doublestacks, and it appears to be doing all of 50 mph, maybe more. Where would I find room to trail 143 doublestacks? I wonder what the guys in the diesel were thinking.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhgHrDbN4EU -Crandell
Obviously you thought too small when you built your layout. Time to add an addition or two onto your house (ala Howard Zane). After all, if your Challenger isn't pulling at least 100 double stacks you're just not a model railroader.
Be glad you're not in G.
Paul
GraniteRailroader Probably something along the lines of "What a waste of money...We've got guys laid off and they are show-boating around in a steam locomotive"
Probably something along the lines of "What a waste of money...We've got guys laid off and they are show-boating around in a steam locomotive"
Right-o!! They should lay off the guys in the Challenger instead.
Selector, you know that's not where I'm going with that
But when talking about what the rail guy's would actually say, that's pretty darn accurate. I'd say most of my co-workers don't see the same joy and benefit of the railroad as a hobby as well as employment. To them, seeing a steam locomotive on an active diesel freight line is exactly what I said - a waste of money.
GraniteRailroader Selector, you know that's not where I'm going with that But when talking about what the rail guy's would actually say, that's pretty darn accurate.
But when talking about what the rail guy's would actually say, that's pretty darn accurate.
There's something to be said for company image, history, and paying tribute to your past and your elders.
These programs do a lot for a company's image. I was never a UP fan, but these programs has led to more respect for them from me.
Don - Specializing in layout DC->DCC conversions
Modeling C&O transition era and steel industries There's Nothing Like Big Steam!
Another nice video, and notice, no huge plumes of dark black smoke. A properly fired steam loco doesn't produce huge amounts of black smoke when running at track speed.
I remember hearing O.Winston Link speak years ago when his book Steam Steel & Stars was first issued. He talked about how he had to get the firemen on the locomotives in the pictures to produce thick white smoke so it show up in the night shots he took. Black smoke wouldn't show at night and typically there was very little smoke unless the fire release a bunch of water/steam into the exhaust. He pointed out that a good fireman could control the amount and color of the smoke. It was an interesting lecture.
GraniteRailroader Selector, you know that's not where I'm going with that But when talking about what the rail guy's would actually say, that's pretty darn accurate. I'd say most of my co-workers don't see the same joy and benefit of the railroad as a hobby as well as employment. To them, seeing a steam locomotive on an active diesel freight line is exactly what I said - a waste of money.
I don't want to rain on your parade, but that particular use of #3985 was made at the request of the shipper, APL. They paid for it, so it wasn't a waste of UP's money. Given that a single nominally 5500 HP steam locomotive was used on a train normally assigned three 4,000 HP diesel units, I think it's a pretty impressive show. APL got its money's worth.
GraniteRailroader Selector, you know that's not where I'm going with that
Yeah, I know. Truth is, you're probably right.
yahoo nice youtube clip, and the train has a caboose too.
Crandell,
The next time you post a video of my layout without my permission, I will have to contact the Forum Administrator!
In any event, I am disappointed that no one complimented my scenery or ballasting efforts.
Rich
Alton Junction
cudaken I wonder what the engineer thought when he saw the Challenger coming around the bend? I would think something like What the fill in the blank! 0 Cuda Ken
Probably the same thing we thought when we saw the 765 when I was working on the C&O under the CSX banner-nothing other then watch for the blankety,blank crazies taking pictures.
Larry
Conductor.
Summerset Ry.
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C&O Fan Yada Yada Yada Check out the 614 at 80 MPH That's cookin http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rmKYGEicP4&NR=1
Want to race??
This is 2 ft gage 0-4-0T SD Warren #1 at work at the paper mill in Westbrook, ME, date unknown. 3 of these little locos were built by Baldwin for the paper mill around 1895, #1 and #2 still exist and are owned by the Boothbay Railway Village; #2 is being restored to operating condition by the museum
Is it my imagination or did the diesel fail to dim its headlights for the Challenger?
Back when the Southern RR had 4501 in steam I can recall an editorial by David P Morgan blasting the Chicago & North Western for just deadheading the engine back to Chicago (after it pulled the circus train in Milwaukee) rather than putting some actual revenue cars behind it. His point is that it was available horsepower and a full crew.
Dave Nelson