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Posted by ns3010 on Wednesday, December 16, 2009 10:20 PM
BUMP! Page 5? And a week without a post? come on guys... Oh, PS is definately worth it, at least it seems. I just don't have the money. The 10 minutes I spent messing around in CS4 was astounding, but I won't be in the computer lab for a while probably... I'm having computer issues, and they won't be resolved till next week probably. So don't expect much of me...

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 10, 2009 5:38 AM

I got the trial edition of CS4 for part of my photography class, and it was amazing...until the trial part ran out! Now I'm back to Photoshop 6. CS4 is a professional piece of software...and the price reflects that! Dead

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Posted by WCfan on Wednesday, December 9, 2009 9:36 PM

I think Photoshop would be well worth the money. The 100 dollars I spent on the Photoshop I got in 2007 has been well worth it.  You can get Photoshop for free...but only if you illegally download it, and that would be a HUGE no no...

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Posted by ns3010 on Wednesday, December 9, 2009 8:53 PM

I don't have Photoshop, mostly because of the price (and now I just saw that PS8 is only like $150).
They have PS CS4 on the computers (Macs) at school. We spent all last week in the computer lab working on a project, but I finished early, and discovered PS, and played around with it a bit. Pretty neat. I'll have to look into it more. There's a free demo, but when you click on it, it asks for a credit card number. Yeah right, free, whatever you say...

I've heard about the Rail Pass stuff before, but never realized how widespread it is.
Now I'm working on making my own in MS Paint. Just something simple. Hopefully, I'll have them soon.

Tyler, I'll get yours, as soon as mine are done...

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 9, 2009 7:39 PM

IVRW
TrainManTy

Packers#1

TrainManTy

 

How do you make those? 

 

I made mine in Adobe Photoshop 6. It does take some familiarity and skill with the program to make a more involved pass like mine with the train popping out and blending into the background as well as the repeating background logos, but you could make a more simple pass easily in Microsoft Publisher or a similar program.

Is there a good software like this for mac?

 

Photoshop is available for Macs, although the program isn't cheap. Any good image editing or creation program will work.

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Posted by Packers#1 on Wednesday, December 9, 2009 7:33 PM

TrainManTy

Packers#1

TrainManTy

 

How do you make those? 

 

I made mine in Adobe Photoshop 6. It does take some familiarity and skill with the program to make a more involved pass like mine with the train popping out and blending into the background as well as the repeating background logos, but you could make a more simple pass easily in Microsoft Publisher or a similar program.

 

Ah. We don't have photoshop, so I'll probably use Microsoft publisher or something. Ain't got a tmeplate, so I'll probably jsut fashion it in my own design after other folks; kinda combine/mish-mash tyo make my own unique one.

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Posted by IVRW on Wednesday, December 9, 2009 6:28 PM
TrainManTy

Packers#1

TrainManTy

 

How do you make those? 

 

I made mine in Adobe Photoshop 6. It does take some familiarity and skill with the program to make a more involved pass like mine with the train popping out and blending into the background as well as the repeating background logos, but you could make a more simple pass easily in Microsoft Publisher or a similar program.

Is there a good software like this for mac?

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 9, 2009 6:23 PM

Packers#1

TrainManTy

 

How do you make those? 

 

I made mine in Adobe Photoshop 6. It does take some familiarity and skill with the program to make a more involved pass like mine with the train popping out and blending into the background as well as the repeating background logos, but you could make a more simple pass easily in Microsoft Publisher or a similar program.

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Posted by Railfan Alex on Wednesday, December 9, 2009 4:57 PM

Yuck! I hate monologues!

Our WWII project is much more exciting. We formed groups, which became countries. The whole idea is to understand all the ideologies in a fun way, as well as understand how countries trade commodities, sign peace agreements and declare war (basically understand how the government is run under a particular ideology).

It is actually really fun. It is similar to Monopoly in the sense that the last country left standing with the most points wins. It is also similar to monopoly because there are Chance and Community Chest like cards that get played randomly, and can totally change the game.

Our country ended up being Nazist, and we picked oil and livestock out of a hat as our commodities. That leaves us in good standing!

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Posted by Packers#1 on Wednesday, December 9, 2009 4:54 PM

IVRW
Then reverse everything and bore your teacher by writing a book called "A complete and non comprehensive history to the importance of Railroads in WWII" or "A complete and non comprehensive history to the importance of Potato Chips in WWII" :)

 

Now there's an idea, hehe. I shoulda done my project on the rialroad's contributions during WW2. oh well, maybe next project, lol.

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Posted by IVRW on Wednesday, December 9, 2009 4:48 PM
Packers#1

IVRW
Packers#1

TrainManTy

ns3010

Whistling

 

Bumpity-bump...

Anybody want a White River Southern Railroad Electronic Rail Pass?

 

How do you make those? 

My MILW research has ground to a halt, mainly because I've got a research project for school and it is BORING as XXXXX. Usually I love research, but my teacher is just wrecking it. fortunately, I'm almost finished. Then it's on to figuring out the layout of Avery yard.

You know how I combat that? I put trains into the essay :) I just used a quote from Iain Rice to explain the philosophy of time. No, really, I did. Ill post it if you want.

 

It's actually a monologue abt. our topic on WW2. I usually LOVE reading abt. WW2, but this project is just boring me to death, lol.

Then reverse everything and bore your teacher by writing a book called "A complete and non comprehensive history to the importance of Railroads in WWII" or "A complete and non comprehensive history to the importance of Potato Chips in WWII" :)

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Posted by Packers#1 on Wednesday, December 9, 2009 4:41 PM

IVRW
Packers#1

TrainManTy

ns3010

Whistling

 

Bumpity-bump...

Anybody want a White River Southern Railroad Electronic Rail Pass?

 

How do you make those? 

My MILW research has ground to a halt, mainly because I've got a research project for school and it is BORING as XXXXX. Usually I love research, but my teacher is just wrecking it. fortunately, I'm almost finished. Then it's on to figuring out the layout of Avery yard.

You know how I combat that? I put trains into the essay :) I just used a quote from Iain Rice to explain the philosophy of time. No, really, I did. Ill post it if you want.

 

It's actually a monologue abt. our topic on WW2. I usually LOVE reading abt. WW2, but this project is just boring me to death, lol.

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Posted by IVRW on Wednesday, December 9, 2009 4:34 PM
Packers#1

TrainManTy

ns3010

Whistling

 

Bumpity-bump...

Anybody want a White River Southern Railroad Electronic Rail Pass?

 

How do you make those? 

My MILW research has ground to a halt, mainly because I've got a research project for school and it is BORING as XXXXX. Usually I love research, but my teacher is just wrecking it. fortunately, I'm almost finished. Then it's on to figuring out the layout of Avery yard.

You know how I combat that? I put trains into the essay :) I just used a quote from Iain Rice to explain the philosophy of time. No, really, I did. Ill post it if you want.

~G4

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Posted by Packers#1 on Wednesday, December 9, 2009 4:25 PM

TrainManTy

ns3010

Whistling

 

Bumpity-bump...

Anybody want a White River Southern Railroad Electronic Rail Pass?

 

How do you make those? 

My MILW research has ground to a halt, mainly because I've got a research project for school and it is BORING as crap. Usually I love research, but my teacher is just wrecking it. fortunately, I'm almost finished. Then it's on to figuring out the layout of Avery yard.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 9, 2009 2:09 PM

ns3010

Whistling

 

Bumpity-bump...

Anybody want a White River Southern Railroad Electronic Rail Pass?

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Posted by ns3010 on Wednesday, December 9, 2009 11:18 AM

Whistling

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Posted by ns3010 on Saturday, December 5, 2009 4:57 PM

Today, my dad asked me what was going on with my trains. I told (actually, I reminded him, but of course he forgot...) about my expansion plans. And he mentioned a few other possibilites that I never even thought of. One idea I came up with was an around-the-walls/shelf configuration in the office. I'd probably be able to have more track space. This would work best if we could move the couch into the family room. Now we'll have to talk this over with my mom, and I really hope she says yes...

TrainManTy
Are you ready for the inevitable day when you ARE going to hit and kill somebody with your train? It WILL happen


Well thank you for putting it so gently! Big Smile
But seriously, I've thought about that, and that's probably my biggest fear...

John: If I had to pick, I'd probably say NJT, Amtrak, M&E, NS, CSX

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Posted by Packers#1 on Wednesday, December 2, 2009 1:25 PM

ns3010

Sawyer: Geez, you're already planning for your layout after college? I don't even know where I want to go for college! In fact, I'm not even sure what I want to do, and I have only about 2 years before I have to choose a college! I know I want to go into some kind of engineering (electrical, maybe?), and work for a railroad. I've also wanted to become an engineer (as in the one who operates the trains), but according to my mom, "I'm too smart and can go so much farther in life..." Whatever...
I hadn't really planned it out, but I'm assuming I'll stay with the TSRy. Expand it or something. IDK, maybe even create a new, larger, RR that takes it over. IHNC, and IDC right now.

 

Well, I pretty much have no planning left on my layout, except the town, and that's just a rough idea. Overall, I just want to pursue it and have fun. Who knows if that will actually happen. One other thing I could do is design a much larger ANRR layout, but i like the idea of running a train in wide open spaces; hence, the Lines West. There was barely any traffic during the period I want to model (1978-1980), which is the last days of it.

As to college, my plan is Clemson University (unless some other college offers a scholarship and has a degree I'd be interested in) and the degree will be some kind of engineering (apparently engineering 101 or something exposes you to all different types of engineering and then you can declare for one field after that or something; I'm thinking either civil or chemical right now, but physical science is BORING as crap, and so far that's been all chemicals etc. Physics is also fun. Civil engineers can work for commuter RRs, so that might be interesting, but I'd rather avoid a boring office if I can help it) and also a minor in english. Why a minor in English? I love writing for MRN, and a minor in English could probably get me a job with a magazine, or at least allow me to write good articles. Really, I'm not entirely sure what I want to do, but I've got a basic idea, lol. My interests might change as I learn more about the different fields.

As to working for the RR, same as Joe, read the article in Trains a few years back. Heard bad hours, and pretty much said "nuh-uh, I ain't going to that." One other job I wouldn't mind doing would be a cop, but call that my back-up plan.

Taylor, in college I'll probably have a small switching layout or something.

WCFan, thanks man. I've got a research project on Iwo Jima, so I probably won't do much research on the Lines West until after that's turned in. Researching has its limits, even if it's on something you like (and I love researching both WW2 and railroads, lol).

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Posted by IVRW on Wednesday, December 2, 2009 9:31 AM
Guilford Guy
Most Railroad DO hire directly from high school. If you find it unnappealing then do something else because it would ruin a great hobby.

Which begs to ask a question. If you all were to get a RR job in a few years, then what RR would you do it on and where.

For me, it has to be in this order

1. UP through the northern rockies

2. BNSF through the very northern rockies

3. NS through the appalachian range

4. CSX along the East coast

5. BNSF along the West coast

6. Montana Rail link through Montana.

What is your line up?

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Posted by Guilford Guy on Wednesday, December 2, 2009 6:27 AM
Most Railroad DO hire directly from high school. If you find it unnappealing then do something else because it would ruin a great hobby.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 2, 2009 5:39 AM

Think about what Jordan is saying, then ask yourself this: Are you ready for the inevitable day when you ARE going to hit and kill somebody with your train? It WILL happen someday, the odds and statistics are against you. Freight railroads have more work out in the weather and paperwork, but passenger railroads are much higher in suicides.

I'd also think long and hard about a career in railroading... Right now I'm thinking about photojournalism, science education, or something to do with engineering (the designing type, not the locomotive type).

If I had to change what I was modeling after college, I'd probably model the Central Mass Railroad, either in the steam era as a "what if" alternate routing they considered right through my hometown instead of all the way around the Wachusett Reservoir, or in the modern era as if it was still active in the prototype configuration. That or I'd model the Boston & Albany in either the steam era (Worcester used to get 100+ trains per day!), in the Conrail era, or modern day CSX. Or I'd model the trolley line through my hometown, maybe in the 1900s or maybe modern day, or maybe the CSX Leominster Branch as a modern day shortline, or maybe I'd model a railroad on the moon (anybody still paying attention?) or maybe the Pan Am Worcester line in modern day, but in any case.........I'm going to have to decide later!

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Posted by IVRW on Tuesday, December 1, 2009 10:30 PM
ns3010: Yea, there really is a lot out there. One of the better sides of my period is that the track arrangement on the Sandborn maps rarely changed from the moment they were made, only the buildings did, because they were the Sandborn Fire Insurance company, so all they were interested in were buildings and surrounding fire hazards, like RRs. Because of this, the maps were only made to _demonstrate_ that a RR/Firehazard was near, so it wasnt worth the time to change the track arrangements. Because they rarely if ever changed, it shows me what the track was like VERY early on, 1870s to 1890s. This is a boon to us early models, when most other sources fail to cover the early eras.

modelbnsfer: Going back to the maps. The inspiring part is that one of the copied maps I have was held in the back pocket of a miner from the day he picked it up at the Rio Grande Western station through all his Utah travels. That kinda' thing just blows me away, the fact that an ordinary person, a hundred + years ago held the map. My FAVORITE thing that set me modeling the era has to be a book. Here is what is on the front inside cover written in pencil and cursive:

Illegible - as a birthday gift - from your dear momma and poppa

March 20th 1888

The rest is Illegible. The front cover reads

History of the United States

In words of one syllable

Copyright 1886 By J. L. Blamire George Routledge & Sons

Armed with this information that my great great great whoever held the same book I am holding right now, is it any wonder I model 1895?

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Posted by ns3010 on Tuesday, December 1, 2009 9:58 PM

After reading that article in Trains a few years ago (Oct. 07 maybe?), it made it sound pretty unappealing.
But I was thinking more Transit, maybe Amtrak. When you start, you're on the extra list, but it's not like it's always insane hours. And you'll never be far from home. You begin and end your shift at the same place. And when you become a regular, you have the same set of trains every day, 5 days a week.

From what I've heard from anyone who is a Transit engineer, conductor, TC, rear brake, whatever, it's great (there's tons of them on another unnamed forum...).

I never thought about not going to college. I'd be stupid not to. And besides, I highly doubt they'd hire anyone straight out of HS anyway...

And even if I don't actually work on the trains, anywhere on the railroad would be fine with me.

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Posted by WCfan on Tuesday, December 1, 2009 9:31 PM

ns3010

Sawyer: Geez, you're already planning for your layout after college? I don't even know where I want to go for college! In fact, I'm not even sure what I want to do, and I have only about 2 years before I have to choose a college! I know I want to go into some kind of engineering (electrical, maybe?), and work for a railroad. I've also wanted to become an engineer (as in the one who operates the trains), but according to my mom, "I'm too smart and can go so much farther in life..." Whatever...
I hadn't really planned it out, but I'm assuming I'll stay with the TSRy. Expand it or something. IDK, maybe even create a new, larger, RR that takes it over. IHNC, and IDC right now.

Not to be mean or anything, but I'd really think about being a conductor or engineer. I have talked to many people who work for the railroad, and although some liked it, the majority didn't find it as appealing. It depends on who you are. But first think about it, if you're a conductor, you are always out in the elements. Rain, snow, sleet or shine, you probably will be outside. How enjoyable would it be shoveling out a switch when it's -30 degrees out? One thing you might not think of is the paper work. There is a load of paper work to be taken care of, pretty much a whole trains worth of paper work. Also, you can get called up at any time of the day pretty much. What if your friends wanted to do something, you wouldn't be able to because you're on call. Pretty soon you'll start losing contact with them. Thinking about a family is another thing. You may not want a family now, but what about later, when you have time to think over things. Working for the railroad isn’t the best job to have when raising a family. An engineer's job isn't a whole lot better. It can be very stressful every time you go out. Take it from the crews. If you would really want to work for the railroad, I’d first get an education, and then go on the railroad. It's better to have some kind of college education these days then none.

Sawyer, I'll have to see what else I can dig up for you. I know I have some other links buried around here.

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Posted by ns3010 on Tuesday, December 1, 2009 9:30 PM

Back before HS, we would get a half day if it was above 90, since there was no A/C in the building...

I guess I'm the first in my family. My Grandpa kinda was (he built the old Christmas set, which evolved into my first layout), but not really hardcore...

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Posted by modelbnsfer on Tuesday, December 1, 2009 9:23 PM

Hey Again

Joe: lucky you, we never get snow days, we should get hot days but don't get those either. It's also amazing what you can find on google.

Sawyer: Dude I hope your switching to Z scale in college and man already planning it out, your smart.

Sign - Welcome John and what inspired you to model such a early time period.

Question for everyone: how many of you are the first in your family to model or how many of you have family that are modelers?

Taylor

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Posted by ns3010 on Tuesday, December 1, 2009 9:04 PM

John: I just did a google search, and was surprised on how much there really is out there. I didn't look at everything, but I just skimmed, and there's a decent amount of info

Sawyer: Geez, you're already planning for your layout after college? I don't even know where I want to go for college! In fact, I'm not even sure what I want to do, and I have only about 2 years before I have to choose a college! I know I want to go into some kind of engineering (electrical, maybe?), and work for a railroad. I've also wanted to become an engineer (as in the one who operates the trains), but according to my mom, "I'm too smart and can go so much farther in life..." Whatever...
I hadn't really planned it out, but I'm assuming I'll stay with the TSRy. Expand it or something. IDK, maybe even create a new, larger, RR that takes it over. IHNC, and IDC right now.

Taylor: It seems we never have school. There's always a reason for a day off, or an early dismissal. It's like "Oh, there's a snowflake! We have to cancel school!" lol. I highly doubt we actually have anything close to the required 180 days...


I mentioned over on another forum about possibly adding an intermodal track to my layout. Then I thought some more. If I were to swap the locations of the station and the TSRy yard, it would make more sense, and I might even have a little more room. I'll mess with the plan later in the week and/or over the weekend...

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Posted by Guilford Guy on Tuesday, December 1, 2009 8:57 PM

CNW Ore Drags with RSD12s and shtuff in upper Michigan are also nice!

After my LVRC power is done it looks like I'll start in on a few Batten Kill Railroad RS3s.

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Posted by Packers#1 on Tuesday, December 1, 2009 8:11 PM

WCfan

Packers#1

Hey guys, I've been starting research.

For the future layout

As in after college and I find a job

It's on the MILW

And it's their LINES WEST

I originally got the idea from TRP issue #82 which has a great railfan article written by two guys who railfanned the Linews West right before it closed down. I've found some good internet sites (mainly pics), and I'll try to dig up some history as well. right now I'm just browsing the photos and trying to get a feel for the RR. If I do ever model this the era would be 1977-1980, which cuts out the electrics, but still allows me to run both MILW SD40-2s and then also the Geeps which took over right before the demise of the Lines West. While it might seem silly to cut out electrification, it is practical for n scale. any models of the Little Joes or other electrics in n scale are brass and expensive. Kato makes the SD40-2 and atlas has me covered for the Geeps. Also, the catenary poles were still up. This is as far as my research has gone so far. I'm not giving up the ANRR though, that's my layout for at least the next year or two, if not longer.

Big Smile Alright! The MILW Pacific Extension has always fascinated me. The scenery is amazing on that line. Many bridges, cuts, tunnels, it's an all around great line. Here is a link that I've found on the demise of the Pacific extension. Popular belief was that the MILW was running broke, and the Pacific Extension was the boat anchor, this article explains the real truth.

http://www.trainweb.org/milwaukee/article.html

I have some articles about people who have modeled the Pacific Extension, and I have some magazines talking about the extension. It's quite interesting.

If you’re looking for pictures, check out Railpictures.net, they have lots of great pictures of the lines west.

www.railpictures.net

In railroad, obviously search Milwaukee Road. Under photographers Search for these photographers.

Steve Schmollinger, and Blair Kooistra. Paul Greenfield has three photos, but I think they are worth looking at.

I have seen a lot of captivating photos from this line, if you ever model it, you may have a hard time picking exactly where to model, the line was full of so much variety.

 

Thanks for the links! I know one area that i definitely want to include, there were four pictures of a train on it in the TRP article. It was on Pinestone pass (or soemthing of that name) where there was a hairpin turn to reduce the grade to two percent. The photographed train was going at 10 mph and also in one photo the front end units were across form the caboose.

Taylor, thanks man!

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Posted by modelbnsfer on Tuesday, December 1, 2009 7:37 PM

Hey Everybody

Sawyer: nice photo of the railroad at the bottom.

Tyler: haven't had a chance to look at the vid yet but I will.

Joe: Your lucky, a day off

ANd i will be 16 on December 4th. Can't wait to get my license.

Well thats all

Taylor

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