Trains.com

Subscriber & Member Login

Login, or register today to interact in our online community, comment on articles, receive our newsletter, manage your account online and more!

Teen Model Railroader Place- November 2009

20085 views
188 replies
1 rating 2 rating 3 rating 4 rating 5 rating
  • Member since
    August 2004
  • From: Hainesport, NJ
  • 130 posts
Posted by green_elite_cab on Wednesday, November 25, 2009 6:42 PM

 At $65 car (not counting wheels, window sets, or decals),  its alittle tough to justify buying them outright.  I already have both the ALP46 and the PL42AC (painted, decaled and ready to go), but i have been unable to justify buying the cars. 

 I have some other stuff thats "cheaper" that i think i need to pick up first. 

 that said, the HO Multilevels were REALLY well done, compared to the Comet Vs.  I've seen them in person.   Joe at IMW has don't an excellent job.  

Modeling Conrail, Amtrak and NJ DOT under the wires in New Jersey, July 1979.  

  • Member since
    November 2008
  • From: North Jersey
  • 1,781 posts
Posted by ns3010 on Wednesday, November 25, 2009 7:04 PM

The MLs do have windows. It is the CVs that don't. Like you said, I just wish they were a little less expensive. A 6 car set with a PL42 would be somewhere in the range of $600, probably more... And then there would be a 9 car set with an ALP. Forget it!
With a small layout, maybe you could get away with, say a 4 car train and still have it look good. You could start with running just one set, and then maybe building your fleet.

And they look VERY nice. I've never seen one in person, but from the photos, they look amazing.
And why do the CVs look bad (or at least not as good as the MLs)?

My Model Railroad: Tri State Rail
My Photos on Flickr: Flickr
My Videos on Youtube: Youtube
My Photos on RRPA: RR Picture Archives

  • Member since
    August 2004
  • From: Hainesport, NJ
  • 130 posts
Posted by green_elite_cab on Wednesday, November 25, 2009 7:19 PM

well, a 4 car train could have you an ACES set.  You could make those decals from Trim film, or if you have a good computer program, you can print your own decals.  All I'd need is a P40DC (already have the ALP44).    I think you have to buy the multilevels a car at a time.  thats gonna be my plan when i finally get past the holidays.  I'll buy a cab and a coach to start, then add until i get a reasonable train.   I'm hoping i can make my ALP46 run well, but i'm unsure of the pulling power of the European models I'm looking at.

 

The Comet Vs have a lot of molded on detail that doesn't help it.  there are also things like ditch lights and such that should not be there, as well as some other detail problems related to the ends.  Chief amongst them are ditchlights on cars without cab ends,  and on the cab car, the diaphragm is molded on.  it doesn't look good unless painted up right.   

there is just a whole lot of work behind the Comet Vs.   

Modeling Conrail, Amtrak and NJ DOT under the wires in New Jersey, July 1979.  

  • Member since
    November 2008
  • From: North Jersey
  • 1,781 posts
Posted by ns3010 on Wednesday, November 25, 2009 7:36 PM

See, an ACES set would do me no good. I'd have to buy the ALP and the P40, as well as decals for both. That, and I don't model the NEC or the ACL Wink

I'd probably do the same thing, get a cab and a trailer, and then get additional trailers later.


Hmmm, ditch lights on trailers? Very interesting... As for the diaphragm I can see how that can be an issue, although mostly just a PITA.
And the fact that the windows aren't included doesn't help...

My Model Railroad: Tri State Rail
My Photos on Flickr: Flickr
My Videos on Youtube: Youtube
My Photos on RRPA: RR Picture Archives

  • Member since
    August 2004
  • From: Hainesport, NJ
  • 130 posts
Posted by green_elite_cab on Wednesday, November 25, 2009 11:26 PM

What do you mean?  Atlas ALP44s come painted.  they don't use the ALP46 on those trains.  besides, the only major detail you'd really have to change is the dynamic break box (in my opinion).  everything else is close enough for reason. 

 either way, it would be cool to do.  I would have much fun building that train. 

Modeling Conrail, Amtrak and NJ DOT under the wires in New Jersey, July 1979.  

  • Member since
    February 2008
  • From: Memphis, TN
  • 3,876 posts
Posted by Packers#1 on Thursday, November 26, 2009 6:59 PM

 http://www.youtube.com/user/sbpackernut

update video. There are backdrops!

Sawyer Berry

Clemson University c/o 2018

Building a protolanced industrial park layout

 

  • Member since
    November 2008
  • From: North Jersey
  • 1,781 posts
Posted by ns3010 on Thursday, November 26, 2009 11:07 PM

Uh, I have no clue why I said that! I knew that the ALPs were factory painted, but said that anyway! lol

Sawyer, very nice! Your layout is comin along quickly

My Model Railroad: Tri State Rail
My Photos on Flickr: Flickr
My Videos on Youtube: Youtube
My Photos on RRPA: RR Picture Archives

  • Member since
    August 2004
  • From: Hainesport, NJ
  • 130 posts
Posted by green_elite_cab on Friday, November 27, 2009 11:12 AM

 lol, i gotta start making videos of my stuff.  It is nearly the end of the line for me.  On december 4th, i'll no longer be a teenager, lol.   of course, everythign is ina continual state of creative destruction.  My layout hasn't looked "nice" in years!

 

I still need to build catenary. GRR! to much! 

Modeling Conrail, Amtrak and NJ DOT under the wires in New Jersey, July 1979.  

  • Member since
    February 2008
  • From: Memphis, TN
  • 3,876 posts
Posted by Packers#1 on Friday, November 27, 2009 12:17 PM

 Joe, thanks man. can you believe the camera on those nanos?

 GEC, hehe, you're never to old to make videos; in fact, gott he idea from this fellow member of nscale.org

Sawyer Berry

Clemson University c/o 2018

Building a protolanced industrial park layout

 

  • Member since
    August 2004
  • From: Hainesport, NJ
  • 130 posts
Posted by green_elite_cab on Friday, November 27, 2009 9:16 PM

 lol, i'm getting to old for the "teen Modelers".   I am a grizzled ancient compared to you!

Modeling Conrail, Amtrak and NJ DOT under the wires in New Jersey, July 1979.  

  • Member since
    February 2008
  • From: Memphis, TN
  • 3,876 posts
Posted by Packers#1 on Friday, November 27, 2009 9:19 PM

 You got a point there, lol. idk how old I am compared to the other psoters here; know Tyler's aroudn my age, but other than that, don't really know.

Sawyer Berry

Clemson University c/o 2018

Building a protolanced industrial park layout

 

  • Member since
    November 2008
  • From: North Jersey
  • 1,781 posts
Posted by ns3010 on Friday, November 27, 2009 10:00 PM

GEC, how old are you? As long as you're not like, 25, I don't see why you would have to leave, unless anyone else disagrees...

Sawyer, I believe you, Tyler, and I are all about the same (I'm 15, and a Sophomore). Like you, don't kno about anyone else, though...

My Model Railroad: Tri State Rail
My Photos on Flickr: Flickr
My Videos on Youtube: Youtube
My Photos on RRPA: RR Picture Archives

  • Member since
    October 2005
  • 990 posts
Posted by Railfan Alex on Friday, November 27, 2009 11:09 PM

I'm 16. I never really thought about how old we all were. I guess it ends up being a weird question to ask over the internet at some times... Shock

Alex

  • Member since
    November 2008
  • From: North Jersey
  • 1,781 posts
Posted by ns3010 on Friday, November 27, 2009 11:17 PM

Railfan Alex
I never really thought about how old we all were. I guess it ends up being a weird question to ask over the internet at some times

Yeah, same here. Hey, at least we're not like old people who don't want anyone to know how old they really are! Big Smile

Can't. Wait. Till. 16.
6 1/2. Months. Till. Permit. Aaaagh!
lol
So happy I passed the exam, so once I turn 16 in June (day after school gets out!), alls I need is 6 hours of instruction (and about $300...)! Ah, Driver's Ed. That class was such a joke. So glad I have gym now instead. But writing next quarter. Ugh...

My Model Railroad: Tri State Rail
My Photos on Flickr: Flickr
My Videos on Youtube: Youtube
My Photos on RRPA: RR Picture Archives

  • Member since
    February 2008
  • From: Memphis, TN
  • 3,876 posts
Posted by Packers#1 on Saturday, November 28, 2009 9:25 AM

Railfan Alex

I'm 16. I never really thought about how old we all were. I guess it ends up being a weird question to ask over the internet at some times... Shock

 

True.

Yeah, I'm 15 like Joe. But I get to go take the permit test day we get out for Christmas break. Now to read that danged book we got from the DMV.

Sawyer Berry

Clemson University c/o 2018

Building a protolanced industrial park layout

 

  • Member since
    April 2003
  • 305,205 posts
Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, November 28, 2009 9:28 AM

Railfan Alex

I'm 16. I never really thought about how old we all were. I guess it ends up being a weird question to ask over the internet at some times... Shock

 

Yeah...it does seem sort of weird, and could certainly scare away newcomers to the thread. I'll be 16 this Spring.

I've always assumed the unofficial age policy (of course this is Kalmbach's forum so we really don't have any say) here is much like on a teen-only forum which I cannot name here: Teens join, although we don't ask your age, and even when you turn 20, you can still participate. (I guess you're a teen at heart! Wink)

-------------------------------------------

Here's what's been keeping operating sessions on hold since early fall...fascia panels with bill boxes, throttle ports, and my sole reversing switch! This is the Enfield, NH, panel - industry labels on the bill boxes from left to right read LeBlanc Scrap, E&R Rail (an interchange with the Enfield & Rumney, which are both real towns), Enfield Transfer, and Agrawal Paper.

There's also panels in Lebanon (A/D 1 and 2, Class tracks 1-4, and Lebanon Cold Storage), Mascoma (Formanek Granite tracks 1 and 2), and West Canaan (Claflin Foods Inc. and Delery Pulpwood & Lumber.)

I'm trying to schedule an operating session for December 5...I'll post photos from it if I can get enough operators.

  • Member since
    February 2008
  • From: Memphis, TN
  • 3,876 posts
Posted by Packers#1 on Saturday, November 28, 2009 9:30 AM

 Sweet minifacias Tyler; I'm probably going to make a small shelf for the ayrd that can hold my powerpack and also a switchlist.

oh, and I now have Skype; y'all still using that?

Sawyer Berry

Clemson University c/o 2018

Building a protolanced industrial park layout

 

  • Member since
    November 2008
  • From: North Jersey
  • 1,781 posts
Posted by ns3010 on Saturday, November 28, 2009 10:31 AM

Nice Tyler! I'm assuming you built the boxes, no?

My Model Railroad: Tri State Rail
My Photos on Flickr: Flickr
My Videos on Youtube: Youtube
My Photos on RRPA: RR Picture Archives

  • Member since
    April 2003
  • 305,205 posts
Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, November 28, 2009 10:45 AM

Yes, I built the bill boxes myself, using 1" square wood rods and 1/8" plywood.

-------------------------------------------

Also, I got my new camera, a Canon SX1! It takes DSLR-quality photos for half the price (although you can't change lenses) plus HD video, but only goes up to F/8. I'm still deciding whether this is the right camera for me (it was over $500 and I've been saving up for it for almost a year, so it's not a light decision...) so one of the requirements I've been testing is if the camera is able to take model photos with a deep depth of field.

Obviously F/8 isn't enough, so I used Adobe Photoshop 6 to manually stitch three different photos with different focus points together. I'm still getting the hang of it, and I've learned that I need more than three photos, so there's a couple spots that are still out of focus, but I think it'll work! This only took me about 10 minutes to create, and yes, Photobucket mangled it when uploading so now the whole thing looks out of focus! Banged Head

The three focus points (I was using manual focus, so it's not exact) were the ballast in front of the train, the locomotive cab, and that building being torn down in the background. Check out the new ballast - I used over a gallon to ballast the entire seven track yard!


  • Member since
    November 2008
  • From: North Jersey
  • 1,781 posts
Posted by ns3010 on Saturday, November 28, 2009 10:57 AM

Nice! The only out of focus things that stick out to me are the plow and front coupler, and the WRS thingy on the rear of the long hood.

My Model Railroad: Tri State Rail
My Photos on Flickr: Flickr
My Videos on Youtube: Youtube
My Photos on RRPA: RR Picture Archives

  • Member since
    February 2008
  • From: Memphis, TN
  • 3,876 posts
Posted by Packers#1 on Saturday, November 28, 2009 12:05 PM

 Tyler, it looks great.

I'm going to use smooth-it to try to upgrade my concrete lot. Worst comes to worst I'll rip it up and redo it.

Sawyer Berry

Clemson University c/o 2018

Building a protolanced industrial park layout

 

  • Member since
    November 2008
  • From: North Jersey
  • 1,781 posts
Posted by ns3010 on Saturday, November 28, 2009 12:13 PM

That's what I used for my roads. But make sure you use the foam tape with it, or it'll be nothing but a mess.

And I'd reccomend trying it out on a piece of scrap foam before going ahead on the layout. My first section was awful, but by the third (and last) section, it wasn't bad.

My Model Railroad: Tri State Rail
My Photos on Flickr: Flickr
My Videos on Youtube: Youtube
My Photos on RRPA: RR Picture Archives

  • Member since
    May 2009
  • From: Arizona
  • 136 posts
Posted by modelbnsfer on Saturday, November 28, 2009 12:31 PM

Hey everyone

Haven't been on here in forever. Internet went down. Sigh Hope everyone has had a good Thanksgiving. I did. WRS is looking good tyler

Taylor

Bear Down! 

  • Member since
    July 2006
  • 1,414 posts
Posted by Guilford Guy on Saturday, November 28, 2009 1:02 PM

Smooth it is just lightweight plaster. Plaster roads are difficult to look right. Something like Chip Board or Styrene painted looks fine!

The portion between the rail is styrene and everything else is a white high density cardboard product. I lightly airbrushed them with engine black so it turned a gray color. I then used AIM (Bragdon works too) Medium Gray Weathering Powder and liberally brushed it on. I used a rag to work it into the road way and brush excess off. This is a pre-dullcote picture, and as you can see there are no white lines or anything.

Alex

  • Member since
    April 2003
  • 305,205 posts
Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, November 28, 2009 1:50 PM

Guilford Guy
Plaster roads are difficult to look right.

 

Whistling 

  • Member since
    February 2008
  • From: Memphis, TN
  • 3,876 posts
Posted by Packers#1 on Saturday, November 28, 2009 3:24 PM

TrainManTy

Guilford Guy
Plaster roads are difficult to look right.

 

Whistling 

 

GG, depends if you've got the right sandpaper or not. The Perfectcast stuff I'm using is a PAIN to sand, lol.

Sawyer Berry

Clemson University c/o 2018

Building a protolanced industrial park layout

 

  • Member since
    July 2006
  • 1,414 posts
Posted by Guilford Guy on Saturday, November 28, 2009 6:37 PM
Thus you could have completed a styrene road in half the time and have it look better! Tongue

Alex

  • Member since
    February 2008
  • From: Memphis, TN
  • 3,876 posts
Posted by Packers#1 on Saturday, November 28, 2009 7:07 PM

Guilford Guy
Thus you could have completed a styrene road in half the time and have it look better! Tongue

 

At probably three-five times the cost. 1 unit of Perfectcast: $5. 1 pack of 2 sheets of styrene from the LHS: $10. Guesstimation of amount of required styrene: 3-4 sheets. And I can't find any danged styrene (or Masonite, for that matter) in Lowes or Home Depot.

I'll be switching to smooth-it for roads though, we'll see how much that costs.

Sawyer Berry

Clemson University c/o 2018

Building a protolanced industrial park layout

 

  • Member since
    March 2007
  • From: Wausau, Wisconsin
  • 2,354 posts
Posted by WCfan on Saturday, November 28, 2009 7:34 PM

Packers#1

Guilford Guy
Thus you could have completed a styrene road in half the time and have it look better! Tongue

 

At probably three-five times the cost. 1 unit of Perfectcast: $5. 1 pack of 2 sheets of styrene from the LHS: $10. Guesstimation of amount of required styrene: 3-4 sheets. And I can't find any danged styrene (or Masonite, for that matter) in Lowes or Home Depot.

I'll be switching to smooth-it for roads though, we'll see how much that costs.

For Sale signs...Whistling...dang, that's expensive stryene, I can get a pack of 4 sheets for 2 bucks at my LHS. Depending on the thickness I can get 1-10 sheets for the same price...

Yeah we still use Skype...not that often though. We never know when Alex L *Cough Cough* is on...so yeah...

Same as Tyler, I'll be 16 in spring...

  • Member since
    July 2006
  • 1,414 posts
Posted by Guilford Guy on Saturday, November 28, 2009 7:49 PM

For Sale signs, not evergreen...

Alex

Subscriber & Member Login

Login, or register today to interact in our online community, comment on articles, receive our newsletter, manage your account online and more!

Users Online

Search the Community

ADVERTISEMENT
ADVERTISEMENT
ADVERTISEMENT
Model Railroader Newsletter See all
Sign up for our FREE e-newsletter and get model railroad news in your inbox!