QUOTE: Originally posted by CNWfan5525 I THINK WE SHOULD ALL CALL UP AND TELL THEM TO STOP THERE LICENSING PROGRAM!!!!!!!!!!!!
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QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith QUOTE: Originally posted by CNWfan5525 I THINK WE SHOULD ALL CALL UP AND TELL THEM TO STOP THERE LICENSING PROGRAM!!!!!!!!!!!! If ya dont want that foul UP stuff anymore? SEND IT ON OVER, my friend! I'll find a good home for all of it! [;)][:O][%-)][D)][(-D][:-,][X-)]
Originally posted by Roadtrp Geez, this stuff gets really stale after a while. A few facts for you my friend... The UP licensing charge is just pennies per product. It is the retailers (some) that have decided to take advantage of the situation by adding a $5 or whatever surcharge for UP stuff. Check out www.hobbylinc.com. All of their UP stuff is sold for EXACTLY the same price as the non-UP stuff. Apparently they've decided that they can absorb the extra few cents of cost to keep their customers happy. So let it rest. It’s not UP; it's your LHS trying to take advantage of the licensing thing to pad their profit margin. So why it everyones re: Atlas, Kato, Proto & Athearn all have a MSRP of $5 more than everything else they make? It's not the LHS's doing this, it's the manufacturers Gordon Brought to you by the letters C.P.R. as well as D&H! K1a - all the way Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 20, 2004 8:32 PM WOW, a CN&W fan mad at U.P. wonder why? hey those ex-CN&W units look even better with U.P. patches on them. Reply Edit Roadtrp Member sinceNovember 2003 760 posts Posted by Roadtrp on Thursday, May 20, 2004 9:56 PM Gordon, The site I listed does not carry Athearn or Kato, but they do carry Atlas and P2K. And they change no more for UP flagged locos than for any other. I have read from reputable sources (newspaper articles I've found on the net) that the licensing fee IS just pennies per item. So whether it is the manufacturer or the retailer, anyone who charges $5 more for UP is marking the fee up by a large amount. -Jerry Reply METRO Member sinceOctober 2003 From: Milwaukee & Toronto 929 posts Posted by METRO on Thursday, May 20, 2004 10:12 PM Boy I'm bloody glad I model the East Coast. (sorry couldn't help it) I think that the UP isn't any better or worse than any other line. While they have given us a bit of a snub, they still show a love for trains. (ever been to Cheyenne?) I truly think the reason some modelers have something against the UP is that it's been so hungry for other lines lately. I'll tell you, I'd be the first to want the CNW and DRGW back but such is business. Let's everyone just take a breath, have a good drink and relax. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, May 21, 2004 1:31 AM C'mon people get over it. I did already,It's only a small fee for god sake. You can still pay the small fee and enjoy your favorite railroad at the same time too,so why give up now? the CSXT is going to do the same thing too and as the NS and BNSF too. Im a huge BNSF fan and I can't wait till the BNSF railroad starts charging a min,fee on their locomotives......know why? Because I LOVE THE BNSF RAILROAD. I wan't you all to think very hard about what I said.....just pay that STUPID fee,"If you don't want to.....then don't". Stop blaming the UNION PACIFIC! Im not a UP fan myself but at least I can see where the railroad is coming from a stand point! "UNION PACIFIC MUST PROTECT ITS NAME" "It's NOT about the money">>>>>>>>>>Its the "NAME". BNSFfan/mrlove. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, May 21, 2004 3:27 AM I think you guys are angry at the wrong corporation. You need to channel your collective energy and blast the model railroad manufacturers that are taking advantage of all the hype and misinformation flying around about the UP. Remember all the stuff a few years back about CSX, the Chessie logo etc. Same crappola. If your LHS has placed a surcharge on UP labeled items and it is not an increased price from the manufacturer, tell them they will lose your business if that gouging practice continues. Most modelers are vocal about this stuff, and should be. Speak up now, or forever open the door for other attempts from both manufacturers and (probably only a few) LHSs at reaching a little deeper into our poskets. Can't wait for Horizon to come out w/ a surcharge on UP 'blue box' stuff. Imagine a $30. UP 40' box car tooled in the '50s and used to sell for less than $1.99 retail ! I'm sure the UP ambulance chasers are charging more per hour than a Lionel Veranda for their legal services to implement this program. Perhaps they have convinced the men in suits at UP that it will be necessary for them to amortize the costs of this "program" over the couple hundred thousand UP things sold over the next year or so. UP is a very proud 100+ year old company and this is probably an attempt at shoring up their company's image and protecting the integrity of anything UP. Personnaly, I think it has been a rather anal (okay to say that here?) corporate decision on UP's part, but I don't think the pennies per item that will be added is worth all the fuss, if that's all it will cost us, anymore than UP men in suits are concerned as to whether or not modelers decide to model BNSF instead of UP out of anger. Wonder if UP will insist that Athearn finally correct the too wide hood on its GP7, if Horizon expects to still paint them in UP colors? BILL Reply Edit lupo Member sinceNovember 2003 From: the Netherlands 1,883 posts Posted by lupo on Friday, May 21, 2004 3:32 AM I noticed at the same time this UProar about UPcharging for use of their logo their own UP merchandise shop on the net got lots of new articles in it. L [censored] O Reply philnrunt Member sinceMay 2004 From: central Indiana 775 posts Posted by philnrunt on Friday, May 21, 2004 4:07 AM I understand the feelings towards another corp trying to get into your pockets, very few have any extra ca***hese days, especially if you like to eat and drive anywhere. But, in a way, this is kind of ...well, neat! We all probably have some UP equipment on our layouts, and not a cent of the money we spent went to the real company. Now, in a very -VERY-small way, we are helping a giant of railroading put black ink on their bottom line. You have become an actual customer of Union Pacific! Those of you with huge UP layouts might even get stock options!! OK, that was crazy, but still, you have to admit it does tie your railroad a bit closer to theirs. As for LHS jacking up the price, in todays world, does this surprise anyone? Upsets and disappoints,sure, but surprise? Unfortunately, I think we'll see alot more of this in the future. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, May 21, 2004 4:14 AM Re: UP offering more new UP branded stuff as lupo mentioned in a prior postt, it kind of reminds me of how Earnhardt Inc took over the manuf. and marketring of die cast Nascar Earnhardt vehicles, hats, pins, and everything else w/ the #3 on it. Then they'd have a one-off paint scheme for a particular race, make up a bunch of 'custom painted,. limited quantity, "collectible" commemorative articles, like die cast replicas.and charge thru the nose for them. Ahhhh, good old creative all American marketing at its best.. You wouldn't think UP would do that would you? They probably saw all the ruckus being made about this topic and decided that perhaps they could make that much more out of it ! I mean, UP has to run their 'memorbelia dept' at a profit don't they? (that was a feable attempt at humor) By buying this stuff we only fuel the fires for the manufacturers and LHS to do that much more. It's like all the panic about Horizon killing the 'blue boxes' - now they think that we're all a bunch of 'fomers' and that we'll pay even more for their long in the tooth stuff. We do it to ourselves. BILL Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, May 21, 2004 9:39 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by CNWfan5525 OK guys well i'm sorry i was in a bad mood when i got home from school. and the UP thing set me off. So im sorry for everything said. DID ANYONE SEE THIS!?!?!?!?! Jeeze i said i was sorry and i contuine to get replys. I hoped once i appoligzed this topic would die but i didn't Reply Edit lupo Member sinceNovember 2003 From: the Netherlands 1,883 posts Posted by lupo on Friday, May 21, 2004 9:58 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by CNWfan5525 QUOTE: Originally posted by CNWfan5525 OK guys well i'm sorry i was in a bad mood when i got home from school. and the UP thing set me off. So im sorry for everything said. DID ANYONE SEE THIS!?!?!?!?! Jeeze i said i was sorry and i contuine to get replys. I hoped once i appoligzed this topic would die but i didn't ROFL [(-D][(-D][(-D][(-D][(-D][(-D][(-D][(-D][(-D][(-D][(-D][(-D] this is the revenge of THE BORG and the posts keep coming . . . . . . . . . [*^_^*] L [censored] O Reply cwclark Member sinceJanuary 2004 From: Crosby, Texas 3,660 posts Posted by cwclark on Friday, May 21, 2004 10:20 AM you think you have problems?....I have to redecorate my SP stuff (almost all of it) with UP placards since the buyout...ever see an old SP SD with the new UP markings?..it looks pitiful!...red and gray don't go too good with the color yellow.... Reply dharmon Member sinceAugust 2003 From: Bottom Left Corner, USA 3,420 posts Posted by dharmon on Friday, May 21, 2004 10:24 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith QUOTE: Originally posted by CNWfan5525 I THINK WE SHOULD ALL CALL UP AND TELL THEM TO STOP THERE LICENSING PROGRAM!!!!!!!!!!!! If ya dont want that foul UP stuff anymore? SEND IT ON OVER, my friend! I'll find a good home for all of it! [;)][:O][%-)][D)][(-D][:-,][X-)] Thanks Vic...holding on to the UP HO stuff for me until I can come up and get it...I mean being a large scaler..you'd really have no use for it....hmmmmm. Reply lupo Member sinceNovember 2003 From: the Netherlands 1,883 posts Posted by lupo on Friday, May 21, 2004 11:54 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by cwclark you think you have problems?....I have to redecorate my SP stuff (almost all of it) with UP placards since the buyout...ever see an old SP SD with the new UP markings?..it looks pitiful!...red and gray don't go too good with the color yellow.... [:D][:D]tell that to the UP designers the have lots of locomotives in that color combination around: armor yellow with mist grey and red striping![8D] L [censored] O Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, May 21, 2004 3:00 PM Ok, I know this may sound crazy but, I HATE THE UP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][V][V][V][V][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][|(][|(][|(][tdn][tdn][tdn][tdn][tdn][tdn][tdn][tdn][tdn][tdn][tdn][tdn][tdn] they took over the Rock island the katy the mo-pac , cnw, that armour yellow makes me sick !!! i have already vowed that I will not work for the up when I grow up, I will work for BNSF or KCS. Ok it is out of my stystem !!!! Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, May 21, 2004 3:06 PM U.P. is the best U.P. rules....i hope there the only RR one day, and i hope all of the old ugly CN&W S.P. ect----RR get painted in U.P. colors im glad U.P.makes so many people mad and i hope it even makes them madded and madder! Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, May 21, 2004 3:18 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by up9899 U.P. is the best U.P. rules....i hope there the only RR one day, and i hope all of the old ugly CN&W S.P. ect----RR get painted in U.P. colors im glad U.P.makes so many people mad and i hope it even makes them madded and madder! UP became a fallen flag in 1996. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, May 21, 2004 3:20 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by up9899 U.P. is the best U.P. rules....i hope there the only RR one day, and i hope all of the old ugly CN&W S.P. ect----RR get painted in U.P. colors im glad U.P.makes so many people mad and i hope it even makes them madded and madder! I respect the you like UP. But YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO MAKE FUN OF CNW AND OTHER ROADS UP BOUGHT OUT! YOUR OFF THE[soapbox]! I have a few words that i would like to say to you but they are inaproate to say on this forum[censored][censored] Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, May 21, 2004 3:25 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by CNWfan5525 QUOTE: Originally posted by up9899 U.P. is the best U.P. rules....i hope there the only RR one day, and i hope all of the old ugly CN&W S.P. ect----RR get painted in U.P. colors im glad U.P.makes so many people mad and i hope it even makes them madded and madder! I respect the you like UP. But YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO MAKE FUN OF CNW AND OTHER ROADS UP BOUGHT OUT! YOUR OFF THE[soapbox]! I have a few words that i would like to say to you but they are inaproate to say on this forum[censored][censored] [#ditto] Reply Edit dharmon Member sinceAugust 2003 From: Bottom Left Corner, USA 3,420 posts Posted by dharmon on Friday, May 21, 2004 3:35 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Conrail Guy QUOTE: Originally posted by CNWfan5525 QUOTE: Originally posted by up9899 U.P. is the best U.P. rules....i hope there the only RR one day, and i hope all of the old ugly CN&W S.P. ect----RR get painted in U.P. colors im glad U.P.makes so many people mad and i hope it even makes them madded and madder! I respect the you like UP. But YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO MAKE FUN OF CNW AND OTHER ROADS UP BOUGHT OUT! YOUR OFF THE[soapbox]! I have a few words that i would like to say to you but they are inaproate to say on this forum[censored][censored] [#ditto] Looks like another meltdowm / tantrum's getting ready to erupt......if you boys make statements like you do..."I hate UP"..etc, then someone comes back with a .."I hate CNW ...."...you can't cry foul.....you brought it on yourself........ Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, May 21, 2004 4:08 PM Hey dharmon...........your point is very well taken nicely. I like that. BNSFfan. Reply Edit duker1 Member sinceJanuary 2001 From: US 11 posts Posted by duker1 on Friday, May 21, 2004 5:07 PM If you buy undecorated train stuff, you could then put on your own decals and whatever. Are UP decals increasing in price? Good debate you have started here. Reply 1234 Subscriber & Member Login Login, or register today to interact in our online community, comment on articles, receive our newsletter, manage your account online and more! 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QUOTE: Originally posted by CNWfan5525 OK guys well i'm sorry i was in a bad mood when i got home from school. and the UP thing set me off. So im sorry for everything said.
QUOTE: Originally posted by CNWfan5525 QUOTE: Originally posted by CNWfan5525 OK guys well i'm sorry i was in a bad mood when i got home from school. and the UP thing set me off. So im sorry for everything said. DID ANYONE SEE THIS!?!?!?!?! Jeeze i said i was sorry and i contuine to get replys. I hoped once i appoligzed this topic would die but i didn't
QUOTE: Originally posted by cwclark you think you have problems?....I have to redecorate my SP stuff (almost all of it) with UP placards since the buyout...ever see an old SP SD with the new UP markings?..it looks pitiful!...red and gray don't go too good with the color yellow....
QUOTE: Originally posted by up9899 U.P. is the best U.P. rules....i hope there the only RR one day, and i hope all of the old ugly CN&W S.P. ect----RR get painted in U.P. colors im glad U.P.makes so many people mad and i hope it even makes them madded and madder!
QUOTE: Originally posted by CNWfan5525 QUOTE: Originally posted by up9899 U.P. is the best U.P. rules....i hope there the only RR one day, and i hope all of the old ugly CN&W S.P. ect----RR get painted in U.P. colors im glad U.P.makes so many people mad and i hope it even makes them madded and madder! I respect the you like UP. But YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO MAKE FUN OF CNW AND OTHER ROADS UP BOUGHT OUT! YOUR OFF THE[soapbox]! I have a few words that i would like to say to you but they are inaproate to say on this forum[censored][censored]
QUOTE: Originally posted by Conrail Guy QUOTE: Originally posted by CNWfan5525 QUOTE: Originally posted by up9899 U.P. is the best U.P. rules....i hope there the only RR one day, and i hope all of the old ugly CN&W S.P. ect----RR get painted in U.P. colors im glad U.P.makes so many people mad and i hope it even makes them madded and madder! I respect the you like UP. But YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO MAKE FUN OF CNW AND OTHER ROADS UP BOUGHT OUT! YOUR OFF THE[soapbox]! I have a few words that i would like to say to you but they are inaproate to say on this forum[censored][censored] [#ditto]