So how long before MTH builds the Russian Rail Straightener?
It was not my intention to put down the MTH model with my reference to the Key I own since they only imported a few and the price was out of sight four years ago. My thought is the MTH will be popular for sure but does not look as detailed as the older Sunset HO model that is available on ebay now and then. The MTH Daylight has about the same detail level but does not show up so much since the skirts and streamlining do not need detailing as much as a normal steam model.
The model will certainly sell well and could selll much better if the price was more in line with BLI or the Genesis models.
CZ
elauterbach Here is my list of engines that should be made: DMIR Yellowstone, B&O EM1...
Here is my list of engines that should be made:
DMIR Yellowstone, B&O EM1...
I LIKE the way this man thinks! It may just happen too as MTH has already done bothe of these in O scale. Surely there would be a bigger market for them in HO.
4-12-2? That would require about 6' radius curves...
dlm
CAZEPHYR It was not my intention to put down the MTH model with my reference to the Key I own since they only imported a few and the price was out of sight four years ago... CZ
It was not my intention to put down the MTH model with my reference to the Key I own since they only imported a few and the price was out of sight four years ago...
Oops! Sorry if I gave the impression that I was being critical of any comment you made, CZ. It was not my purpose at all. I was just commenting, to no particular person, that the two models are going to be largely incomparable, for the dual reasons of price and amount of added eye-candy. More, I was trying to find a middle, not-so-hostile ground to avoid the MTH bashing that inevitably seems to creep into this type of discussion. I am actually very interested, and pleased, in the prospect of owning a non-brass 9000 series engine...It may have to be on a display platform for ever, but I guess I can live with that and have it lumbering slowly back and forth around the outer curves on my layout if it proves to be a severe track tester.
Again, sorry for being hamfisted with my words.
-Crandell
Crandell
I certainly agree with you that the two models are not comparable and probably only mentioned it to make a point out the real need for a model of the 4-12-2 that was affordable. My Key is only used for display and it is really not practical for daily use on a layout. I probably will purchase one of the MTH 4-12-2's also if it runs well and has the real prototype offbeat chuffs.
I really don't want to short change or run down the MTH products as they are really trying to get products to us in a timely fashion. This model proves they are listening to what we want and maybe the EM1 or M4 Yellowstone will be next. I just purchased one of the new NP Z8's and I can tell you, that is my quota in locomotives for this quarter. The N&W J seems to be a model that we do not really need at this moment since it has been made and is available from two other companies on shelves to this day.
I have been on the 9000 in the Pomona Fair grounds many times and look forward to the model.
Check out this web page if you have not seen it. 'The sound file is near the bottom and you can hear the 9009 in 1954.
http://www.cowboystrainzstation.com/union_pacific_9000.htm
This is what each loco may sound like: 4-12-2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaE3plxd3E8 Whistle sounds nothing like a 4-12-2
J: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSemPnF22os&feature=channel_page Whistle Sounds a lot better than the 4-12-2.
I would probably get the J.
- Luke
Modeling the Southern Pacific in the 1960's-1980's
Hi guys,
When MTH first shipped the UP #9000's in O scale they used the "steam boat" whistle you hear in the video. It's the same whistle they use for the Big Boys and Challengers. About a month after the #9000's shipped they came out with an updated sound file with a new whistle that's more appropriate. Here's a video posted by someone who upgraded the file: MTH UP #9000 with new sound file. I can't imagine that MTH would ship the HO models with anything but the new sound file.
I certainly trust that MR has their facts correct that MTH is indeed announcing J's and the 9000. However, MTH still doesn't show them on their website. I hope there isn't some mistake here. I'd really like a 9000.
If you can't trust the MR announcement, who do you trust???? I believe they have the inside track and we will see the model as scheduled. If it was the April edition, well who knows. This was in the news section of the MR.
New Haven I-5 This is what each loco may sound like: 4-12-2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaE3plxd3E8 Whistle sounds nothing like a 4-12-2
I guess what I said wasn't a joke at all, at least in O scale. It looks like only the first and fifth driver sets are flanged.
Nelson
Ex-Southern 385 Being Hoisted
Wow, MTH really hit a home run here with the 4-12-2. I'm not a UPRR modeler, but I think I'll put one of these on the roster. One of my friends has one of these in three rail, the sounds are nothing short of fantastic. Great looking locomotive too.
Since they appear to be doing locomotives that they have done in O, a Great Northern R-2 and DM&IR Yellowstone sure can't be far behind.
I am, however, hoping that they stay away from the Northern Pacific Z-6 and leave that to Sunset, which are scheduled to ship late this year. I have their A-3, 4, and 5, and they are beautiful. It would be a shame to see two manufacturers chasing after the same locomotive in a low volume market.
Regards,
Jerry Zeman
The locos are now on MTH HO's site. But no videos have been uploaded.
They must be busy with the SD70Ace also. Check out the pictures and video of the SD70Ace. The video shows the operating uncoupler feature.
http://www.mthhotrains.com/newsdetail.asp?artid=392
I couldn't help myself. I placed an order for the 4-12-2. I'll beg forgiveness later as it will be easier than the other way.
Would it be too much to hope that MR has it in hand and will print an objective review by April?
selector I couldn't help myself. I placed an order for the 4-12-2. I'll beg forgiveness later as it will be easier than the other way. Would it be too much to hope that MR has it in hand and will print an objective review by April? -Crandell
If it's any consolidation I can forgive you right now!
I'm very tempted to do this my self. I got a whole steel mill on order so this has to be squeezed in some month when that isn't costing that much. But this pretty much is a must have engine.
Now it's time for me to get my wife's forgiveness as well!
Magnus
selectorI couldn't help myself. I placed an order for the 4-12-2. I'll beg forgiveness later as it will be easier than the other way.
I hope you have a comfortable sofa, Crandell.
GTX765The MTH GS-4 needs perfect 22" raidus or larger...
Really? I have only 18 " radius and my MTH GS-4 takes it with no problems. Before I bought the GS-4 I wrote to MTH and they told me that it can handle 18" as well. And it´s really true.
For me as being from Germany it´s really interesting to see how there is always some discussion going on about which radius the engines will be able to handle. For example all steam locos from Märklin, no matter how big they are, are constructed to handle the tightest curves, and so my Big Boy passes through the 14" inch curves of my older layout without any problems.
It would be great for me to see that american manufacturers would be also able to construct all their steam locos to handle 14" curves, but somehow it´s not the case. I´m sure that if Märklin would produce the 4-12-2 it would have been constructed to pass through 14" curves. Sure, big steam locomotives look better when operated through larger curves, but as you know not everybody has the place for those good looking 46" tracks...
I might order the J. I don't feel like spending $550 on a loco.
New Haven I-5 I might order the J. I don't feel like spending $550 on a loco.
Acording to some Trainworld got BLI's J's for 149$ still. That will save you quite a few bucks. The BLI engines are very nice engines indeed. I got three of them and I love them.
I am going to get the J type but it will be MTH last chance to win me over. The GS-4 came to me broken and i got to enjoy it for a while when it was returned. Then the engine stopped moving and the sound worked but the motor was spinining but no transfer of power. The engine has been sent a second time to the factory. I have read many forums on MTHs HO offerings and so far its true to say these are first run locos and may have problems. MTH has a good service department but when the BLI GS-4 gets here this summer the proof will be in the pudding. I did purchase the MTH HO mikado and it runs very well. You can get these locos for under $400 at the right dealer or website. I purchased the GS-4 for $368.00, i do have the BLI J type but QSI did a poor job on the sound. The whistle sounds horrible but the engine is very dependable and is very forgiving on track work. i have never found the MTH engines to be easy on track work. A GS-4 has large drivers and short Y splits are going to cause a DOT violation. The J type says it will do 18" curves so I will try it. I have found the price to be under 400 easy. The price you are listing is the MSRP. The only people who follow MSRP is Horizon.
Walthers also does MSRP, as do many hobbyshops.
Magnus, I'd have to agree with you on the BLI Js. I've seen one up close, and it looks better than the sample piture of the MTH one. The sound was also good.
I wonder what MTH's next diesel will be, and wheter or not I can program it's speed curve on DCC?
Vincent
Wants: 1. high-quality, sound equipped, SD40-2s, C636s, C30-7s, and F-units in BN. As for ones that don't cost an arm and a leg, that's out of the question....
2. An end to the limited-production and other crap that makes models harder to get and more expensive.
http://islandmodelworks.com/SW1001.htmlIsland Model Works makes SW1001 shells etc.
SteamFreak selector I couldn't help myself. I placed an order for the 4-12-2. I'll beg forgiveness later as it will be easier than the other way. I hope you have a comfortable sofa, Crandell.
selector I couldn't help myself. I placed an order for the 4-12-2. I'll beg forgiveness later as it will be easier than the other way.
So far so good, Nelson, but I know where to get a pillow case and a bankee when the time comes.
Its only money and this model will sell to many modelers that would normally pass on duplicates of other models already out there. Their Triplex sold fairly well from that I understand. This will be the first MTH HO model that is tempting to me since this one hopefully will run on a club layout.
Enjoy the 4-12-2 and straighten out a few curves. I noticed the O scale model in the video jumped a few times on the curve. It could be the center blind drivers were climbing out of the rails.
Thanks for the commiseration, CZ. For me, this one's a no-brainer. I love my Lionel Challenger, the Greyhound with elephant ears, but it is an orphan. My real strengths in model numbers are in Pennsy, NYC, and N&W. I wanted another engine so that I could make the layout appear to be serving western engines, all one road. Even if this beast does give me fits, it will be an excuse to do a nice diorama module and place it there for display.
I intend to play with it as it comes to me to see how I do with it. If it gets on my nerves due to incompativilities with DCC, I may have to rip out the electronics and put something else in its place. It would be super if QSI Revolution series had some good sound files...it would be the way I'd go. But run it I will. This will not be a shelf queen without a lot of struggle.
Crandell,
where did you order your 4-12-2?
M.B. Klein's sells MTH engines, and they have a "new releases" or "future releases" section on their left margin menu. I saw it listed there where it had not been listed a few hours earlier, so I knew someone had to have noticed, or received a notice, and posted the change/addition. I figured that was about as secure an indication that they would take orders as I could get.
There is a provision in one of those two sections to leave them a request, and that is all I did. I said in my message that I would appreciate a reply when they can manage it with two pieces of information: I would like their agreement to acquire one for me, and I also wanted to know what they would charge me.