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Who's all touchy feely?
Posted by AltoonaRailroader on Saturday, October 4, 2008 7:14 AM

Something occurred to me the other day while I was runnign my trains and I thought I'd ask this on the boards and see if was just me or do we all do it.

I don't like to touch my trains. Not in some weird scared way or anything.  In other words, I try to do whatever I can to not have to manually move my freight cars, unless they jump the track that is. I don't even like to have to pick up a locomotive to turn it around(don't have a turntable). How many other out there are like me? Now exceptions would be someone who has a large staging area or a fiddle yard that is built for that purpose. I have a small layout with a small transfer yard and some hidden tracks on the mainline and some industries but I dont' like to have to move cars or touch freight if I don't have to. When I found out about the kadee magnamatic couplers and uncouplers I thought that was the bee's knees. Is this weird or is it more the main stream of playing/operating your trains?

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Posted by rogerhensley on Saturday, October 4, 2008 7:26 AM

Well I can't speak to the "main stream" of playing with trains, but I don't like to handle mine either. However, I think that my reason is damage to rolling stock more than "handling the trains".

I can say that I do have a couple of Tyco powered accessories on the railroad and they require my moving the cars, sometimes by hand. Ah, well...

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Posted by tangerine-jack on Saturday, October 4, 2008 8:17 AM
I have a no touchy rule also, except in case of the rare derailment.  A proper model railroad should be designed in such a way to make handling a piece of rolling stock unecesary.  If it's required to turn a loco then such a provision should be built in, either a turntable, runaround, wye or even a cartridge gizmo like the English use. 

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Posted by BRAKIE on Saturday, October 4, 2008 9:18 AM

Because of the fragile handrails and tiny detail parts nothing beyond the normal routine handling that every modeler does unless of course he/she keeps them safely in their boxes or behind glass..

As far as freight cars I handed those on a "as needed" bases.

 

I have a old Athearn locomotive for touchy/feely for kids and some kid adults.

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Posted by MisterBeasley on Saturday, October 4, 2008 9:36 AM

I try not to, but if necessary, I will.  I've got both a reverse loop and a turntable, so I don't need to manually turn anything around.  The other day, I was working on some scenery and needed to move a string of reefers.  I powered up the layout, pulled an engine out of the roundhouse, and hauled them away.  Yesterday, on the other hand, I was much lazier so I just pushed the cars by hand and continued my scenery work.

I've got way too many cars and engines for my layout.  So, I have to swap them on and off the tracks now and then for variety.  Solution: a bigger layout, and stop buying so dang many cars!

I go for magnetic uncoupling, too, by the way.  When I'm actually running the trains, I don't like to do anything manually.

 

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Posted by fiatfan on Saturday, October 4, 2008 9:38 AM

You can put me in the no-touch group.  As has been said, there are exceptions (derailment, fiddle yard, etc.).  I hve mostly Athearn, MDC, etc., but I still don't like to move them by hand unless I absolutely have to during operating sessions.  Even if I have to empty a yard or siding for maintenance I genrally use an engine rather than just roll them down the track.  It just doesn't feel right.

Am I wierd?  Probably.  Am I alone?  Doesn't sound like it.

 

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Posted by selector on Saturday, October 4, 2008 10:23 AM

I would say it resembles an aversion, but I do handle my engines and rolling stock if it makes sense to do so.  If a truck derails on a steamer, I try to lift it back on with small tools and not lift the entire engine.  Same for rolling stock...if a long passenger car derails on a tight curve, I do my utmost to just lift the end affected and leave the other acting like a pivot.

I would think that most of us prefer to treat our toy railroads as we would the real thing...hand's on when it is a must, but otherwise just watch 'em go.

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Posted by twhite on Saturday, October 4, 2008 10:38 AM

I end up having to do a lot of 'touching' because of the fact that I have WAY too much rolling stock, and also because I do not have a turntable (yet) for my engine facilities.  I use a soft cloth to grasp the locomotives when I have to turn them (actually a non-skid chamois cloth) and pretty much do the same thing with the cars if I have to move them on and off the layout.  That way I don't leave oil from my fingers. 

Actually, there's something about handling (very carefully) one of my big, brass hunkers that pretty much brings the 'kid' out in me.  But that's just me. 

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Posted by pastorbob on Saturday, October 4, 2008 12:20 PM

I have car and diesel touching on my railroad.  There is a "mole Hole" area where three different staging yards come together, and the mole hole guy takes trains off and makes up trains on the staging tracks using the 0 5 0 engine, sometimes the 0 10 0 engine.  Part of life.  A good number of my really nice (expensive) cars are in unit trains which are not switched or taken on or off.  Otherwise, we touch.

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Posted by tomikawaTT on Saturday, October 4, 2008 12:27 PM

I much prefer to keep the meathooks off the machinery, and not just because the Great Hand of God doesn't descend from the sky to work on 1:1 scale railroads.  Since most of my cars are flat black, they show fingerprints like crazy!

That said, I use cassettes for transferring rolling stock onto and off the layout, and store them on shelf brackets in between uses.  I DO fiddle cars with loose loads - to the extent of adding or removing same.  However, all of that kind of thing takes place 'off-layout.'  Once a car is on powered track, the only thing that moves it is a locomotive.

FWIW, magnetic couplers will uncouple reliably if the track magnets are intelligently placed.

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Posted by AltoonaRailroader on Saturday, October 4, 2008 12:36 PM

fiatfan wrote:"Even if I have to empty a yard or siding for maintenance I genrally use an engine rather than just roll them down the track.  It just doesn't feel right. "

Exactly my point! thank you. It doesn't feel right, I mean if you wanted to just push cars around yourself you could save your self a ton of money on loco's. Big Smile [:D]

"Am I wierd?  Probably.  Am I alone?  Doesn't sound like it."

I agree, glad to know I'm not REALLY letting trains get to me. LOL

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Posted by Last Chance on Saturday, October 4, 2008 1:15 PM
First Class track reduces the need to touch. Ive seen some fellas go beet red with stress when someone is touching thier stuff however. Derailments etc no problem. I hate engines that need a nudge to get started. That is like my number one peeve. Usually the problem can be resolved and no more nudging. Sometimes Im apt to throw a rod if it's really bad. Now for the other side, I LOVE to touch. It tells me where the bad track joints are, which axle is woobly, which is the hot wire etc.
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Posted by Guilford Guy on Saturday, October 4, 2008 1:27 PM

I have no layout of my own, so my equipment travels to shows to be run. Super detailed equipment doesn't hold up well to touching, so I usually keep them in their boxes as much as I can, only removing them to be run. If there's a really simple move and no one is looking I'll use a hand to shove a boxcar, but other than that I think I'm "fairly" good about trying not to touch... Big Smile [:D]

 

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Posted by steamage on Saturday, October 4, 2008 2:01 PM
My Athearn stuff is tough but I don't want to handle the cars because of finger prints get into the weathering.

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Posted by modelmaker51 on Saturday, October 4, 2008 4:23 PM
I really don't worry about it. All of my engines are either built or detailed by me and I build them rugged, I used to be part of a modular club, so I learned to build things to take the abuse. All of my rolling stock is weathered and sealed, so I'm not too concerned about finger prints. I do have a sign in my adjoining work shop that says to pick up locos by their fuel tanks (we don't see much steam power). Since I'm a model builder, if something breaks I just fix it and make it look as good as it did before, (I didn't say "like new" because nothing on my layout looks "new"). We use skewers to uncouple, so there's always a certain amount of touching. We run hard, mainline trains can be up to 85-100+ cars and accidents happen. If I had to worry about handeling and breakage I wouldn't ever run anything. That's not to say we're not careful, we are, but we're not anal about it. MRing is suposed to be fun, if we constantly have to worry about it, why bother, leave everything in their boxes or in a glass case. 

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Posted by R. T. POTEET on Saturday, October 4, 2008 4:34 PM
Ed Ravenscroft used to run a wreck train out to the site of any derailments before he called upon the notorious 0-5-0 switcher to perform it's nefarious tasks.

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Posted by Texas Zepher on Saturday, October 4, 2008 5:27 PM
There are a few cars on the club layout that have been touchied so much they have rings where the hand dirt/oil has been laid down and then worn off ---- cringe.  It doesn't look like "natural weathering" either. They need a real bath.
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Posted by aloco on Saturday, October 4, 2008 5:30 PM
I'm not afraid of handling my equipment.  If I bust anything, then I fix it.  If I can't fix it, I replace it. 
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Posted by HEdward on Saturday, October 4, 2008 9:46 PM
I was thinking of running the engines around and picking up the cabooses in staging all no touch even tho it is "hidden" just because my planned layout is small for an operational emphasis.  With the layout height at 50" minimum, the no touch unless absolutely unavoidable rule will be in force.  Perhaps a DCC operated crane car to lift derailed rolling stock back on track might be a good project for some brave soul.
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Posted by AntonioFP45 on Saturday, October 4, 2008 10:18 PM

What about when other people just have to touch your detailed locomotives!     Hmmmmm. Let's see, where's that sign?  Oh there it is!  Better hang it back up on the wall:

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Now looka here yall!  If you or your yung' uns put your cotton pikin hands on these here trains without permission..........yall  will git a "cooter sized" bite by this here railroad's owner!  That's me!   Oh sure! Yall  can dream about a  touchin......but DON'T DO IT!   

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Posted by Tracklayer on Monday, October 6, 2008 7:23 AM

I won't touch my locos or rolling stock unless I wash my hands real well first. And I've freaked out more than once in the past when friends or guests have touched or picked up one of my cars which I wiped off with a wet paper towel as soon as they left. I'm real funny about that.

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Posted by 4merroad4man on Monday, October 6, 2008 7:43 AM

In the case of the Los Gatos Sub:

Rule 895:  Except in cases of accident, derailment or other unusual occurrence, operators must not pick up, touch or otherwise handle equipment which is in service on the railroad.  Equipment waiting for service in staging drawers, or at other locations designated by the Superintendent, may be handled, but only to the extent necessary to either place in or remove from service. 

Damaged equipment must be immediately sent to the repair facility with bad order tag attached.

In cases of accident, derailment or other unusual occurrence, notify the Superintendent and dispatcher immediately.  "Oklahoma Hook" will be dispatched to remove and/or rerail equipment.  Protect accident site by placing signals at stop indication or by flag protection until arrival of hook.

Rule 895a:  Operators and other employees of the railroad are advised to warn and if necessary, admonish visitors to keep hands away from the railroad, including structures, track, rolling stock and scenery.  Signs asking visitors to keep hands off layout are posted at each station location.

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Posted by Midnight Railroader on Monday, October 6, 2008 8:08 AM
Can't stand the magnets. I use an uncoupling tool. Sometimes that means I touch the cars.
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Posted by pastorbob on Monday, October 6, 2008 8:52 AM

I sneezed on a freight train once.  Does that count?  Must admit I find this thread amusing.  I am surprised at the number who are so protective.  They are just adult toys you know.  Guess to me there are more important things in life than my trains, and I have a large investment in them.  But I don't mind reaching over and picking up an engine or car to rerail it, replace it, to move it on or off the railroad.

But to each his own.

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Posted by Driline on Monday, October 6, 2008 8:58 AM
 pastorbob wrote:

I sneezed on a freight train once.  Does that count?  Must admit I find this thread amusing.  I am surprised at the number who are so protective.  They are just adult toys you know.  Guess to me there are more important things in life than my trains, and I have a large investment in them.  But I don't mind reaching over and picking up an engine or car to rerail it, replace it, to move it on or off the railroad.

But to each his own.

Bob

I'm not surprised. Don't you remember what most of these guys look like? Smile [:)]

I let my 11 year old nephew move the HO people around the layout, and I let him run the trains. I keep an eye on him though. Hopefully this will spark a love of trains for him so that someday he can enjoy this hobby too.

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Posted by dale8chevyss on Monday, October 6, 2008 9:49 AM
I don't mind moving my trains by hand but I tend to leave them be as much as I can as I don't like fingerprints and I don't like risking the possibility of dropping them.  I'm just waiting (and praying it doesn't happen!) for the day when my favorite loco hits the cement. 

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Posted by johncolley on Monday, October 6, 2008 9:55 AM
Not only for the possible detail damage mentioned in other posts, but I try to handle my power and rolling stock as little as possible because nothing says "Toy" as much as dusty oily fingerprints! And these can't be helped unless you wear rubber gloves, every time the light hits the side of a car just right they will show up! jc5729 John Colley, Port Townsend, WA
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Posted by howmus on Monday, October 6, 2008 10:32 AM

I think this says it all:

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Posted by BRAKIE on Monday, October 6, 2008 11:04 AM
 Driline wrote:
 pastorbob wrote:

I sneezed on a freight train once.  Does that count?  Must admit I find this thread amusing.  I am surprised at the number who are so protective.  They are just adult toys you know.  Guess to me there are more important things in life than my trains, and I have a large investment in them.  But I don't mind reaching over and picking up an engine or car to rerail it, replace it, to move it on or off the railroad.

But to each his own.

Bob

I'm not surprised. Don't you remember what most of these guys look like? Smile [:)]

I let my 11 year old nephew move the HO people around the layout, and I let him run the trains. I keep an eye on him though. Hopefully this will spark a love of trains for him so that someday he can enjoy this hobby too.

 

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Posted by pastorbob on Monday, October 6, 2008 11:11 AM

Well Said, Brakie!!!

Bob 

 

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