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Posted by lvanhen on Sunday, October 5, 2008 3:30 PM

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Public schools!  I went to a few.  Private schools take up less space.  Just thought I'd sneak something by.  Wink [;)]  No censorship of your home layouts.  Nude sunbathers can always get swimwear painted on.  No comment on the school bus on the tracks?  Mischief [:-,]

I think that has to be on UP tracksGrumpy [|(]

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Posted by HEdward on Sunday, October 5, 2008 12:31 PM
Public schools!  I went to a few.  Private schools take up less space.  Just thought I'd sneak something by.  Wink [;)]  No censorship of your home layouts.  Nude sunbathers can always get swimwear painted on.  No comment on the school bus on the tracks?  Mischief [:-,]
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Posted by danmerkel on Sunday, October 5, 2008 12:04 PM
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No lynchings, red light ditrricts or public schools should be modeled on layouts that are routinely having open houses.

Am I missing an attempt at humor here or what?  Why would you lump "public schools" in with the lynchings & red light districts?

Funny that you mentioned red light districts...  I have a model of the Faller "Night Club" (please don't ask me what the foreign name of it is...).  It remains unbuilt and I bought it mail order so didn't see the "interesting" interior that it came with.  But I'd like to use it someday on my layout... I've actually thought about putting it in a corner on the "other side of the tracks."

As to the original post, my layout will have some friends who will have businesses named after them.  But the people themselves will be "John Q. Public" and "Joe Sixpack."  I don't think I'm going to model anyone specifically.

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Posted by HEdward on Saturday, October 4, 2008 10:03 PM

Band?  Or banned?  Club layouts really shoud stay away from the darker side of the human existance.  Oops, don't take that wrong or I'll be banned!  No lynchings,  red light districts or public schools should be modeled on layouts that are routinely having open houses.  I think a lynching displayed on a white man's layout might be misconstrued as condoning such a crime while on a black man's layout it might suggest an obsessive attachment to the past.  So lets leave stuff like that in the history books and keep our railroads on happier subjects, like stalled school busses on grade crossings!(just kidding geez!)

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Posted by Red Horse on Saturday, October 4, 2008 5:56 AM

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Anyways, the club included an African American hung from a tree surrounded by the Ku Klux Klan.

Anyone want to email me a pic of this scene?

 WOW was this club layout opened to the public?, I'm guessing it was not otherwise the building would be surrounded by people protesting.

I guess even some folks in this hobby can go too far, I would not want to walk into a place I was invited into and have too look at the mass hangings of native americans from the old days when the price on our heads were enough to purchse a shot of whiskey...Wow!

I didn't think it possible for the title of this thread to cause any problems but I guess I'm wrong again.

I get the funny feeling that this thread will get locked down in the very near future, hope I'm wrong again.

I really would like the person who thought it nessassary to depict such a scene to PM me and help me too understand WHY such a scene needed to be placed on a club layout.

Now I'm just guessing that the scenes that go into a club layout do not have too be voted on?

I'm not attacking anyone here but I can not stand by and pretend that such a thing doesn't disturb me on a very deep and humane level.

Also I wouldn't and couldn't belong too any club that would have allowed such a heartless rendition of such hatered, I can't think of any reason this scene would be placed on a club layout, if a person wants too depict the killing of the Pope on their personal layout that is their business, but on a club layout?

I don't think such a scene as a hanging of anyone has a proper place on a club layout, at the least it is a sick commentary on our caliouseness towards violance and crime against our fellow human beings.

There, my honest opinion here should be just enough too get me band from this site, shame on anyone who would condone such an act.

And just when I thought I've heard it all!

 

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Posted by Phoebe Vet on Friday, October 3, 2008 10:41 AM

Noooooooo  what it needs is a couple of guys running with their fingers in their ears.

That is a bomb, isn't it?

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Posted by Guilford Guy on Thursday, October 2, 2008 6:11 PM
 Phoebe Vet wrote:

People are trying to outlaw irrational hate by outlawing the words used to express the hate.

That's why you hear childish phrases in the news like "The N word".  It's like going back to elementary school.

I hope that someday we will all come to realize that the reason some people have dark skin is because their ancestors lived for hundreds of generations near the equator.

It is a protection from the sun, and is not a genetic difference.

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Unless you actually believe that those slaves deserved their fate, then I see nothing offensive in modeling their position in the society of that era.  It can even be a conversation starter about the disgraceful way they were treated by earlier segments of our society.

Sometimes the bans are not because people of color are offended by the past; so much as people of European ancestry are embarrassed by the actions of their predecessors.

Very well said.

I was told by the late Steve Warrington of a club in New Orleans. IIRC a member had to be in posession of 1 brass locomotive. Anyways, the club included an African American hung from a tree surrounded by the Ku Klux Klan. I really can't understand why someone would actually include that on a layout. Its in history, but IMHO is not at all ethnicly correct. A plantation is fine IMHO, but a form of ethnically generated punishments or attacks is certainly not. The club was flooded during Katrina, and I hope that the scene is not replicated on the new layout.

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Posted by HEdward on Thursday, October 2, 2008 5:28 PM

Meanwhile the guy with the chem and physics degrees sits quietly by and giggles. 

You can't be putting Lucy on your layout and then not show a picture of her on here!  Real, cartoon or theoretical, the thread is about PEOPLE ON YOUR LAYOUT!

There aren't any on mine.  They're all still in the box.  I'll name them when the scenes need populating.

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Posted by Red Horse on Thursday, October 2, 2008 3:43 AM
 lvanhen wrote:
 DarkTalon wrote:

 

Interesting you'd bring that up..for a looong while I've wanted to model the Civil War era Western & Atlantic Railroad through Chattanooga and this general area of Tennessee and Georgia..but always been very afraid that at least one plantation would be in order to make it realistic..and while I could care less about political correctness..I do care about lawsuits or other general bad press...but that's a topic for another day, I just had to put this out there since you reminded me...hah..

Political correctness be ******, history is history!!!   What are we supposed to do - re-write our history books?  Slavery existed untill the end of the Civil War - actually, during the Roman Empire there were more white slaves than colored - or is saying colored politically incorrect?!!  If you model a modern era city, are you going to model pristine streets and buildings with no evidence of crime?  I personaly know two men who were fired for telling ethnic jokes - one Italian and one Polish - and they were not nasty jokes, they just included the "normal" slang for the two groups!!  I used to work with a Jewish guy - I was the "Nazi" and he was what was common slang for Jewish people at the time - 1970's - and we were the very best of friends with our family's enjoying activities together away from work!!!

I certainly wouldn't include a whipping post or really bad housing for the slaves, as that would be cruel, and not representative of all or even most plantations - of course there are probably completely opposite views to mine.  It seems to be OK to joke about John McCains" age, but I don't recall hearing a single joke about Obama, is everyone afraid of law suits - or just being politacally correct - or is age OK to joke about but not ethnicity!! 

When I was in school - from 1947 to 1964 - we were taught how the "savage" "Indians" slaughtered, raped, and pillaged the white man and women in our school books, movies, comic books, and early TV.  When AIM brought up Wounded Knee, our historians finally started to get it right, but when I was in the Army in 1964/5 I was shocked to see the animosity between white and Native Americans from Oklahoma and other areas with larger Native American populations!!  I was even more shocked to hear some comments made by a company executive when taking a factory tour in Minnisota - in the 1990's!!  I asked why there were no black or hispanic employees out of about 2000, the response was that there used to be before the "Indians" found they were just like venison!!  Sometimes I'm very ashamed about "my people"!!!

 

Don't worry about the indian thing, most of us are not that sensitive over all this time and never be ashamed of your people because then you are forgetting the good things your people have done for the population as a whole.

I'm Native but I also must live in the modern day world where a slight incorrect use of a term is not a reason too mistrust or dislike someone, we all make mistakes when we are trying to live up to so much politically correctness that we even forget what we are supposed to call ourselves...LOL!

There are no politics in what we do here, it's a HOBBY,it's about fun, heck I even have a few plastic soldiers with tiny red plastic arrows sticking out of them, I don't put them on my layout but I do take them out of the cigar box they are in every once in a while too look at them, they make me chuckel, and then right back in the box they go.

 Have a great week my friends, thats what I like about this Hobby, we may fight about a locomotives colors but we don't care about the colors of the people building the layouts.

I think the rest of the world could learn something from the people in this hobby and on this site.

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Posted by wedudler on Wednesday, October 1, 2008 7:01 AM

I've named a few industries and streets after friends.

 

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Posted by Phoebe Vet on Wednesday, October 1, 2008 6:08 AM

People are trying to outlaw irrational hate by outlawing the words used to express the hate.

That's why you hear childish phrases in the news like "The N word".  It's like going back to elementary school.

I hope that someday we will all come to realize that the reason some people have dark skin is because their ancestors lived for hundreds of generations near the equator.

It is a protection from the sun, and is not a genetic difference.

[Statement removed, as well as subsequent responses posted by others]

Unless you actually believe that those slaves deserved their fate, then I see nothing offensive in modeling their position in the society of that era.  It can even be a conversation starter about the disgraceful way they were treated by earlier segments of our society.

Sometimes the bans are not because people of color are offended by the past; so much as people of European ancestry are embarrassed by the actions of their predecessors.

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Posted by Tracklayer on Wednesday, October 1, 2008 2:59 AM

Hi gang.

None of my people have individual names but rather are identified by the roles they play. To begin with, there's a mountain lion standing in the sun set on the side of the mountain with his eye on a couple of deer (buck and doe) that are standing in a clearing in the forrest down below. At the base of the mountain is a lumber mill with employees running about doing their various jobs. In about the middle of the layout and off to the side of the tracks is a junk pile and hobo camp with four hobos listening to the wisest of the group sitting under his shed of scrap tin and lumber telling stories about his adventures on the road. Just before we get into town we find the community's only police officer giving a speeder a ticket. Just in town we find a group of kids playing baseball across the street from the school house, so it's either the summer or a Saturday. At the gas station the attendant is pumping gas in a customer's car while another customer waits for service. In front of the corner store a man is in a hurry for his truck who is apparently late for work or some other appointment. On main street, a man is leaned against the wall of the bank reading a news paper while a near by a man and woman carry on a conversation. A lady stands in front of the dry goods store digging through her purse looking for her keys, while a pretty young girl waits for a bus in front of the all night cafe'. In the fire house, two old coots play checkers while an old hound dog sleeps close by on the floor. Last but not least, the town gossiper and one of his buddies are standing out in front of his house getting caught up on the latest local news. But let's not forget all of the people waiting for the train at the station that I put in and take out depending on the era, some of which are seated on benches while others are greeting oneanother or walking in a hurry down the walk way.

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Posted by my05hammer on Tuesday, September 30, 2008 11:48 PM

I just read the last post and about forgot what I was going to post (agree with it for the most part). 

Anyway, "Who are the people on my layout"?  Lets see, my layout is under construction, but when it is completed, I believe I would pay homage to several people in my life.  

I have already created a little background story line for the railroad and have placed my dad in charge of the locomotive rebuild shops (he worked on EMD fire pumps and generator sets in the 70's and 80's and then retired from ComEd, he was the best choice for the job).  He will most likely be pulling up to the shops on his "Geezer-Glide" (I tried to talk him into a Victory but he wanted no part in it). 

My late grandmother will be on the steps of the church since she never stopped praying for my brothers and I as we grew up.

My late grandfather will be fishing on his pontoon boat.

My other two grandparents will be at a car show with grandpa's 33 chevy streetrod (don't know where I will find a 33 yet). I wouldn't mind having Zora Arkus Duntov pulling up to the car show in a Stingray. 

My mom will have her own arts and crafts store since all I remember of her when I was growing up was all the "Toll Painting" she did (and yelling at my brothers and me for constantly getting into trouble... the reason for grandma's praying).  

My brothers will all be at Poopy's in Savannah IL. getting tats!  (I am the oldest of 6 boys and have the honor of being able to say to my mom that at 38 years old I am her only son without a tat.  Not that tats are bad, but it is important to my mom.) 

My daughters (3 of them) will be working at the hospital. 

My son will be on the steps of Video Games Anonymous. 

And lastly, I will be sitting on the park bench at the Ronald Reagan Boyhood Home holding my beloved wife's hand watching life go by.  (The real Reagan Boyhood Home is only 5 or 6 blocks from my house so I better get the details right! Come to think of it, the kit doesn't have the garage or his brother's Model-T that's parked in it either.)

 

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Posted by lvanhen on Tuesday, September 30, 2008 9:18 PM
 DarkTalon wrote:

 

Interesting you'd bring that up..for a looong while I've wanted to model the Civil War era Western & Atlantic Railroad through Chattanooga and this general area of Tennessee and Georgia..but always been very afraid that at least one plantation would be in order to make it realistic..and while I could care less about political correctness..I do care about lawsuits or other general bad press...but that's a topic for another day, I just had to put this out there since you reminded me...hah..

Political correctness be ******, history is history!!!   What are we supposed to do - re-write our history books?  Slavery existed untill the end of the Civil War - actually, during the Roman Empire there were more white slaves than colored - or is saying colored politically incorrect?!!  If you model a modern era city, are you going to model pristine streets and buildings with no evidence of crime?  I personaly know two men who were fired for telling ethnic jokes - one Italian and one Polish - and they were not nasty jokes, they just included the "normal" slang for the two groups!!  I used to work with a Jewish guy - I was the "Nazi" and he was what was common slang for Jewish people at the time - 1970's - and we were the very best of friends with our family's enjoying activities together away from work!!!

I certainly wouldn't include a whipping post or really bad housing for the slaves, as that would be cruel, and not representative of all or even most plantations - of course there are probably completely opposite views to mine.  It seems to be OK to joke about John McCains" age, but I don't recall hearing a single joke about Obama, is everyone afraid of law suits - or just being politacally correct - or is age OK to joke about but not ethnicity!! 

When I was in school - from 1947 to 1964 - we were taught how the "savage" "Indians" slaughtered, raped, and pillaged the white man and women in our school books, movies, comic books, and early TV.  When AIM brought up Wounded Knee, our historians finally started to get it right, but when I was in the Army in 1964/5 I was shocked to see the animosity between white and Native Americans from Oklahoma and other areas with larger Native American populations!!  I was even more shocked to hear some comments made by a company executive when taking a factory tour in Minnisota - in the 1990's!!  I asked why there were no black or hispanic employees out of about 2000, the response was that there used to be before the "Indians" found they were just like venison!!  Sometimes I'm very ashamed about "my people"!!!

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Posted by DarkTalon on Tuesday, September 30, 2008 7:17 PM

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On another forum topic, there was an intense debate recently regarding the modeling of the actual social conditions that existed in the era we are modeling without violating existing political correctness. In the 60's and 70's as a property insurance representative, I visited hundreds of industrial plants and their maintenance shops which were always adorned with some very interesting pinup posters. The way I have resolved this sensitive issue is to actually model these shops hidden away in my saw mill but always within the bounds acceptable artistic and moral taste.

Peter Smith, Memphis


 

Interesting you'd bring that up..for a looong while I've wanted to model the Civil War era Western & Atlantic Railroad through Chattanooga and this general area of Tennessee and Georgia..but always been very afraid that at least one plantation would be in order to make it realistic..and while I could care less about political correctness..I do care about lawsuits or other general bad press...but that's a topic for another day, I just had to put this out there since you reminded me...hah..

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Posted by PASMITH on Tuesday, September 30, 2008 6:32 PM
Executives traveling to San Francisco to attend a forest products industry meeting in 1909.




On another forum topic, there was an intense debate recently regarding the modeling of the actual social conditions that existed in the era we are modeling without violating existing political correctness. In the 60's and 70's as a property insurance representative, I visited hundreds of industrial plants and their maintenance shops which were always adorned with some very interesting pinup posters. The way I have resolved this sensitive issue is to actually model these shops hidden away in my saw mill but always within the bounds acceptable artistic and moral taste.

Peter Smith, Memphis





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Posted by MisterBeasley on Tuesday, September 30, 2008 9:13 AM

 lvanhen wrote:
  The sign that I made that is underneath that is "Simpson & Bobbit - Cutlery"!!Wink [;)] 

Laugh [(-D]  Ah, yes, I remember those two...  Laugh [(-D]

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Posted by lvanhen on Tuesday, September 30, 2008 8:58 AM
Thanks Jess!!  The figures are WS and LL.  The DD is actually a sign I downloaded from the DD web site and put on another building.  The building is actually an old Model Power "assayer's office" that I modified.  The DD sign is just held on temporarily with scotch tape.  The sign that I made that is underneath that is "Simpson & Bobbit - Cutlery"!!Wink [;)]
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Posted by Red Horse on Monday, September 29, 2008 10:03 PM
 lvanhen wrote:

This some handiwork by my grandson on the plywood central                                       

Some good guys and some bad guys (allegedly - as they're all presumed innocent etc!)

I guess it was a coincident that the "bad" gugys picked the wrong place to do "something"!!Big Smile [:D]

Awesome work by the grandson, as you know I love those cop scenes, my wife says I watch too many cop reality shows and in my defence....ah, well OK, I don't have a defence, I just love them cop shows!!!

I've seen these figures before and hope to find some soon at my LHS.

I love the old time dunkin Donuts building....real cool.

The owner of my LHS has a DD's and on the roof he has a thief in black mask with a sack over his shoulder making his get a way while there is a line of cops going out the door...LOL!

 

keep up the good work, I always like seeing what is going on, on your layout!

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Posted by chutton01 on Monday, September 29, 2008 11:10 AM

 HEdward wrote:
As a former employee of Strauss Stores, I ever so slightly take offense to that.  That and the new Pep-Boys ad that claims they are the only parts and service place in the country and that they invented the concept.  (believe it or not, the founder's grandson was a department head but I was trusted with the keys and alarm code for the office/warehouse)
Well, I'll apologize as I haven't been in a Strauss Store since they were R S Strauss, and they may well have improved since then.
Around these parts (Nassau County...not exactly a world away from Fresh Pond to be honest), the chains (like US 1, AIDS, Autobarn, RS Strauss [where they NYC only back then? I remember the one on Merrick Blvd in Jamaica, and also one on Broadway in the Bronx], and now I guess Pep Boys & Auto-zone) were NOT considered the places for High-Performance upgrades (and advice) by any means (and still aren't) - however they have provided me (and many others) w/ parts & maintainence items like taillights, batteries, oil filters, wiper blades and so on over the years, as well as stuff like floor mats and...well, chrome tire valve caps (that could be considered a bit trinkety).

Hey, glue a small 'plastic bag' model to that HO guy's outstretched hand, and pretend he just brought a set of Champion Spark plugs for his Dodge.

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Posted by lvanhen on Monday, September 29, 2008 10:59 AM

This some handiwork by my grandson on the plywood central                                       

Some good guys and some bad guys (allegedly - as they're all presumed innocent etc!)

I guess it was a coincident that the "bad" gugys picked the wrong place to do "something"!!Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by Red Horse on Monday, September 29, 2008 9:42 AM
 Kenfolk wrote:

 

Of course my layout has a hobo:

This time of year there are also the politicians campaigning:

 

COOL HOBO!!!

I've not seen this version of a hobo yet, the crossing of his legs is a perfect pose for sitting in a door way like that!

Wish I could see the details of the princess figures, from what I can see they look nice.

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Posted by Kenfolk on Monday, September 22, 2008 11:16 PM

 

Of course my layout has a hobo:

This time of year there are also the politicians campaigning:

 

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Posted by gunkhead on Monday, September 22, 2008 9:56 PM

Princess Zelda(sitting and standing versions), here shown on my desk after a paint touch-up:

 

Interiors and people figures make such a difference. Especially the people.

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Posted by wedudler on Sunday, September 21, 2008 11:56 AM

You have this look from the border of the module.

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, September 21, 2008 2:32 AM
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He's going into an Auto-Parts store (a High-Performance one it seems, not a Auto-zone or Strauss selling crappy Auto-trinkets) - would the wife be yelling for him to get new struts or a manifold for the family truckster...(and did Busch ever release that Dodge van model w/ rear side windows?).

Yeah they did. They have it in silver with fake wood trim and in green. I think they might have also made a few police and emergency vehicle versions of it too. 

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Posted by HEdward on Sunday, September 21, 2008 12:28 AM
 chutton01 wrote:

He's going into an Auto-Parts store (a High-Performance one it seems, not a Auto-zone or Strauss selling crappy Auto-trinkets) - would the wife be yelling for him to get new struts or a manifold for the family truckster...(and did Busch ever release that Dodge van model w/ rear side windows?).

I vote for putting a tiny piece of wire in his hand, painting it white, and moving him to the side of the door so customers can come and go during his smoke-break

As a former employee of Strauss Stores, I ever so slightly take offense to that.  That and the new Pep-Boys ad that claims they are the only parts and service place in the country and that they invented the concept.  (believe it or not, the founder's grandson was a department head but I was trusted with the keys and alarm code for the office/warehouse)

In fact, I may have to model a Strauss Stores shop for my layout.  The one on Fresh Pond Road was oddly shaped.

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Posted by Red Horse on Wednesday, September 17, 2008 8:37 AM

These two guys are Jazz Musicians who are thumbing a ride too the night Club.

All my roof tops have a National Guard member with a radio because the President is in town.

Here we have a couple of cops covering the Presidental motor cade route from on top of the fire house.

Thats about it, I'm going to be adding more people soon.

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Posted by Red Horse on Wednesday, September 17, 2008 6:49 AM

 

Put a string on his hand and a yoyo dangeling from it OR put a cup in his hand, give him some painted on black glasses and a red tipped cane OR place another man in front of him with his hand out so they look like they are shaking hands OR glue a scale sized hawk on his fore arm...LOL!

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