Packers1 wrote:So I'm guessing the BL1/2 is out?
BL-2's are cool, not weird!
Rotor
Jake: How often does the train go by? Elwood: So often you won't even notice ...
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Here is another picture of the locomotive (or its sister) I found in Wikipedia under the California & Oregon writeup.
It pictures the other side of the locomotive. The roof and uppersides of the rear portion have been removed or the opposite, since I don't know which photograph preceeded the other.
Mark
WP 3020 wrote:Good find Rotorranch. I've seen a picture similar to that but can't remember where. Looks like a logical kitbash to meLOL. Naw, twice as many many baring surfaces as there needs to be shouldn't increase friction and complicate maintenance. Hope it was just a drawing or that the person responsible for designing it had to maintain it if it was built.
According to the article, The Laferrère System Locomotive, it was a real train.
There are even more strange locos at Loco Locomotives!
twhite wrote: Mark--That's a little cutie. Was it perhaps one of the locos used on the "Portage" railways along the Columbia River way back when these little railroads were used to ferry freight east between un-navigable portions of the river? I remember reading about these short railroads built along the river between Portland and The Dalles before the OR&N built their all-rail line. Tom
Mark--
That's a little cutie. Was it perhaps one of the locos used on the "Portage" railways along the Columbia River way back when these little railroads were used to ferry freight east between un-navigable portions of the river? I remember reading about these short railroads built along the river between Portland and The Dalles before the OR&N built their all-rail line.
Tom
Vulcan Iron Works built the locomotives as 0-4-0Ts in the 1860s for the Cascade Railroad. The railroad was six miles long and owned by the Oregon Steam Navigation Company. The railroad operated as a portage around Cascade Falls. The railroad was 5-foot gauge from 1860 to 1880, standard gauge from 1880 to 1883, and 3-foot gauge after 1883. Crazy! Maybe it was cheaper to regauge the track to fit newly-acquired locomotives than another alternative.
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richg1998 wrote: High pressure boilers.http://www.dself.dsl.pipex.com/MUSEUM/LOCOLOCO/USAhp/USAhp.htmRich
High pressure boilers.
http://www.dself.dsl.pipex.com/MUSEUM/LOCOLOCO/USAhp/USAhp.htm
Rich
I suppose there could have been a lot more of these weirdos if the diesel/electric revolution hadn't happen.
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Rotorranch wrote: i found this one... here: http://www.dself.dsl.pipex.com/MUSEUM/LOCOLOCO/gaugechange/gaugechange.htmThe website is here: Loco Locomotives Rotor
i found this one...
here: http://www.dself.dsl.pipex.com/MUSEUM/LOCOLOCO/gaugechange/gaugechange.htm
The website is here: Loco Locomotives
A goofy solution for track-gauge conversion. A worthy candidate for the Academy of Weird Locomotives!
vsmith wrote: markpierce wrote: How about an 0-4-4T return flue geared locomotive? SP's subsidiary Oregon & California Railroad had two of these, used during construction. They were "numbered" "A" and "B" respectively.*Pic edited out*With a return flu, the boiler gasses pass through to the front and returned to the rear of the boiler via U-shaped flues. I presume this was an attempt toward efficiency by having the hot gasses pass through the boiler twice. I'd bet it created a maintenance nightmare.Mark DOGGAMMIT! - I hate you ! Now I just have to build a model of it! PS I think the 'tender' is a seperate car built on a bogie, sure looks like it to me... at least thats the way I'm gonna build it.
markpierce wrote: How about an 0-4-4T return flue geared locomotive? SP's subsidiary Oregon & California Railroad had two of these, used during construction. They were "numbered" "A" and "B" respectively.*Pic edited out*With a return flu, the boiler gasses pass through to the front and returned to the rear of the boiler via U-shaped flues. I presume this was an attempt toward efficiency by having the hot gasses pass through the boiler twice. I'd bet it created a maintenance nightmare.Mark
How about an 0-4-4T return flue geared locomotive? SP's subsidiary Oregon & California Railroad had two of these, used during construction. They were "numbered" "A" and "B" respectively.
*Pic edited out*
With a return flu, the boiler gasses pass through to the front and returned to the rear of the boiler via U-shaped flues. I presume this was an attempt toward efficiency by having the hot gasses pass through the boiler twice. I'd bet it created a maintenance nightmare.
DOGGAMMIT! - I hate you !
Now I just have to build a model of it!
PS I think the 'tender' is a seperate car built on a bogie, sure looks like it to me... at least thats the way I'm gonna build it.
Yeah, at first I was thinking it looked kinda like a Forney, but then I saw that the teder looked seperate.
vsmith wrote: DOGGAMMIT! - I hate you ! Now I just have to build a model of it! PS I think the 'tender' is a seperate car built on a bogie, sure looks like it to me... at least thats the way I'm gonna build it.
For your info, the cylinders are 6x12 and driver diameter is 34 inches. Having the loco jointed will allow for a far smaller turning radius than if built solid.
That 'bulge' is for the traction motor blower fan. The GP30 had two ducts under the walkways to route to cool air to the traction motors. Later EMD production used just the left hand ductwork to route the cooling air. This reduced the need for multiple blowers over each traction motor(actually reduced the need for a longer car body). The GP30 was the first central air system EMD road engine.
Jim
Modeling BNSF and Milwaukee Road in SW Wisconsin
markpierce wrote:Packers#1, GP30s are good candidates for the Academy of Ugly Locomotives, not this one. Mark
WHAT?!!!
I think that GP30's are some of the coolest EMD's ever produced. :)
BTW I know nothing about wierd logging engines
Have fun with your trains
markpierce wrote: How about an 0-4-4T return flue geared locomotive? SP's subsidiary Oregon & California Railroad had two of these, used during construction. They were "numbered" "A" and "B" respectively.With a return flu, the boiler gasses pass through to the front and returned to the rear of the boiler via U-shaped flues. I presume this was an attempt toward efficiency by having the hot gasses pass through the boiler twice. I'd bet it created a maintenance nightmare.Mark
tomikawaTT wrote: From what I can see, the boiler front reminds me of a Scotch marine boiler, which was a return flue design. They weren't any worse to maintain than a standard boiler, but I'll bet having the final smokebox in the cab was, to put it mildly, cozy. (I wonder if they swiped the boiler off a small steam-powered watercraft.)Chuck (modeling Central Japan in September, 1964)
From what I can see, the boiler front reminds me of a Scotch marine boiler, which was a return flue design. They weren't any worse to maintain than a standard boiler, but I'll bet having the final smokebox in the cab was, to put it mildly, cozy. (I wonder if they swiped the boiler off a small steam-powered watercraft.)
Chuck (modeling Central Japan in September, 1964)
The critters were rebuilt from locomotives acquired from the Cascade Railroad, built by the Vulcan Iron Works in 1862 and 1866. After the Oregon & California, they went to the Oregon Central.
Look a lot like a merged John Bull
-Morgan
The GP30. that bulge in the hood was because of the wish to not make it longer.
pcarrell wrote: C and O Fan wrote: Pretty cool looking Whats the box like house on the back for ?I'm guessing that's where the fuel for this beast is kept.
C and O Fan wrote: Pretty cool looking Whats the box like house on the back for ?
Pretty cool looking
Whats the box like house on the back for ?
I'm guessing that's where the fuel for this beast is kept.
My money would be on the beast being a woodburner, and the roof being very useful to keep the woodpile dry in an area that gets more rain in a week than Southern Nevada sees in a wet year.
Wood (fuel), LCL freight (anything this loco could pull would've been LCL, LOL) and maybe chickens (for lunch)
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