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I envy you HO guys!

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Posted by BRAKIE on Monday, June 2, 2008 1:36 PM
 2-8-8-0 wrote:

Hehehe. After beating my head against a wall for the last 6 months or so, trying to convince myself that a prototypical roster of late steam B&O locos and equipment was possible in N, i decided to give myself a break and work on some NS dash 9s. I had a couple already, but decided making a few with road numbers NOT offered by athearn would be nice (the diesels will probably just live in a display case for now, i dont have room for any layout really, in N or HO, so i want a few detailed models)

Is HO always this easy? In 10 minutes, i was able to order decal sheets from Microscale and a couple undecorated dash 9s, and i am preparing to get new headlights, grilles, grab irons and railings to do some superdetailing...and they are all available?!?

This could be addictive. Deciding what i want to make, and then simply ordering it...i suppose it is made doubly easy by the huge number of C44-9Ws, both in the prototype world and the model world, but wow...just wow. This is a pleasant change of pace, i gotta say! The NS horse is making my steamers nervous....

Tim

 

No.. There can be a lot of frustration in locating detail parts,some decals etc and that age old cry of "Your dealer can get it from Walthers" doesn't always work.

So,in plain truth both scales can have theirBanged Head [banghead] moments.

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Posted by Texas Zepher on Monday, June 2, 2008 1:24 PM

 joe-daddy wrote:
After I visited John Widmar's Royal Gorge and Western, any notion that N scale cannot be super detailed left my mind forever.  His ability to build and attain high quality N scale models is remarkable.  The entire layout is a joy to the eye.
Having heard you say that I need to ask if it also looks good to the camera.   I switched from N-scale to HO in about 1983 when I wanted to start super detailing some models.  Specifically I was going to scratch build an EMD E5 to pull my Texas Zephyr through Trinidad Colorado.   When I started doing research I calculated the wire size that would be required for a scale 3/4" hand rail / grab-iron in N.  Needless to say I was discouraged.  So I did the opposite.  I took the smallest wire available #80 and calculated what scale that would become a 3/4" rail.  Hence, I ended up in HO.  Having been an N-scale advocate for over 12 years, it was hard to switch.  I even tried to model using both for a while (silly thought).  

Has he found a wire or some other substance to recreate 3/4" handrails in N-scale?   Even in HO I have to endure looking at hatch lift-out eyelets that are grossly oversized.  My brain almost can't comprehend that in N.

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Posted by tsgtbob on Monday, June 2, 2008 12:02 PM

Thanks for the info!

30.5 is not all that obnoxious a size, thanks, now I am having doubts on staying in O!Banged Head [banghead]

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Posted by IRONROOSTER on Sunday, June 1, 2008 8:06 PM
 tsgtbob wrote:

Excellent point Paul!

Thumbs Up [tup]

Over the past few months, I have been on a structure building jag, one of the first in the que was a Gloor Craft "Bryan's Farm Supply" kit, that takes up a 12X10 (ish) footprint on the layout. This is approx. the style building many coal patch towns had for the company store.

Just a point of curiousosity, but for me, in O scale, a 40.5r is about the minimum that a 50ft modern era car will negoitate with out looking stupid. What does that equal in S?

As for the earlier poster mentioned about TT, I have some pieces of old HP TT scale, where does on get track in the States? 

S scale is 3/4 of O for one dimension.  So 40.5r in O would be 30.5r in S.

The site for TT in the U.S. is http://www.ttscale.com/ One of the pages covers DnS TT track and gives an address for mail order.

Enjoy

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Posted by HEdward on Sunday, June 1, 2008 7:10 PM
 Midnight Railroader wrote:

HO is too easy.

You want a real challenge, try Sn3 or Nn3.

Zn2 model of a Maine logger. 

Remember boys and girls:

N is for NO!

**just kidding**

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Posted by tsgtbob on Sunday, June 1, 2008 5:21 PM

Excellent point Paul!

Thumbs Up [tup]

Over the past few months, I have been on a structure building jag, one of the first in the que was a Gloor Craft "Bryan's Farm Supply" kit, that takes up a 12X10 (ish) footprint on the layout. This is approx. the style building many coal patch towns had for the company store.

Just a point of curiousosity, but for me, in O scale, a 40.5r is about the minimum that a 50ft modern era car will negoitate with out looking stupid. What does that equal in S?

As for the earlier poster mentioned about TT, I have some pieces of old HP TT scale, where does on get track in the States? 

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Posted by IRONROOSTER on Saturday, May 31, 2008 7:31 AM
 tsgtbob wrote:
 loathar wrote:

Another reason I'm considering On30 is the cost is fairly low for what you get. It's really right in line with good quality HO equipment.

 

Good call. Next thing you know, O scale Std gauge will start to creep in!

I've seen it beforePirate [oX)]

 Just remember, an O scale building is SQUARED in volume from HO scale!

(The resident O Scale slinks back under his 2X6 framed benchwork, to mend a welding cable power feeder) 

One of the reasons I am in S scale is that the area reqruired for buildings is only twice that for HO versus 4 time for O scale.

If you like the size of On30 trains, but like standard gauge you should consider S, they are about the same size. 

Enjoy

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Posted by Randall_Roberts on Friday, May 30, 2008 8:54 PM
 Midnight Railroader wrote:

HO is too easy.

You want a real challenge, try Sn3 or Nn3.

A real challenge is TT scale... unless you live in Europe and are modeling European prototypes. It all just proves that the manufacturers don't care to get more people into the hobby by meeting the needs of people with less space to build a layout.

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Posted by tsgtbob on Friday, May 30, 2008 7:51 PM
 loathar wrote:

Another reason I'm considering On30 is the cost is fairly low for what you get. It's really right in line with good quality HO equipment.

 

Good call. Next thing you know, O scale Std gauge will start to creep in!

I've seen it beforePirate [oX)]

 Just remember, an O scale building is SQUARED in volume from HO scale!

(The resident O Scale slinks back under his 2X6 framed benchwork, to mend a welding cable power feeder) 

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Posted by tomikawaTT on Friday, May 30, 2008 11:58 AM

Once upon a time, I had dreams of a facility which would accommodate a series of exactly parallel layouts in every scale from Z to G, all based on an HO 4x8.  Then the mundanes could come in and see (and run, after depositing a coin) all the different scales.Cool [8D]

Of course, those layouts would all be in the lobby of my theater-size HOj layout...Big Smile [:D]

Reality check.  The theater is a 2-car garage, and the equivalent space I could turn over to the other scale displays is about a notebook page each.Sigh [sigh]  So much for dreams.Sad [:(]

The main layout (now the only layout) is still HOj - and is very unlikely to change.Approve [^]

Chuck (modeling Central Japan in September, 1964)

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Posted by on30francisco on Thursday, May 29, 2008 4:42 PM
True, HO has the most variety of any scale. If I had to choose between HO and N, I'd definitely go with HO because of the detail and the great selection of quality steam locos. N scale is more for modern railroading. Since I model G scale and some On30, even HO and O scales look small and finnicky to work with. For a unique railroad, try Gn15 - G scale on HO track in the space of HO.
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Posted by loathar on Thursday, May 29, 2008 10:59 AM
 wjstix wrote:

As a recovering O scaler (15 years in O in the seventies and eighties) I do think everyone should have to be in a "minority scale" for a while before they're allowed to model in HO. I remember many times hearing HO guys whine about something costing $5 when the equivalent O scale product cost over $20. Someone who's only modelled in HO can't appreciate the amazing variety of good moderately priced products they have available to them.

SoapBox [soapbox]

Another reason I'm considering On30 is the cost is fairly low for what you get. It's really right in line with good quality HO equipment.

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Posted by joe-daddy on Wednesday, May 28, 2008 11:41 PM

After I visited John Widmar's Royal Gorge and Western, any notion that N scale cannot be super detailed left my mind forever.  His ability to build and attain high quality N scale models is remarkable.  The entire layout is a joy to the eye. His creative abilities cannot be understated.  And there is an N layout at the Caboose that is really excellent too. N Scale can look fantastic and be on par with the HO layouts I've visited.  Smile [:)]

However, the other half dozen  I've seen at train shows etc, fall sort of the results I typically see in HO. When I compare the operating quality of N and HO on the layouts I see, HO wins hands down.  I am not saying they cannot be made to operate equal to HO, but I am saying that I don't generally see it.  It seems to me that the average modeler gets better results with HO.  Perhaps it is a combination of the larger size and the plethora of excellently detailed product available in HO.  It is for certain that I am no John Widmar! Wink [;)]

I'm blessed with a large area for my railroad.  I don't take it for granted though.  If space were an issue for me, or was living the nomadic lifestyle as I did in my younger years, then N would have been my choice.  As I write this, I recalled the results that John Allen obtained in a very small space with HO.  LIke others have said, rerailing and being able to replace a Kadee knuckle spring in HO can be a challenge for my old eyes and clumbsy fingers.

Only my 2 cents 

Joe

Follow this link to view a John's work.  His brass bridge over the Royal Gorge is quite nice.

http://wwwjoe-daddy.blogspot.com/2007/01/john-widmars-royal-gorge.html 

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Posted by tsgtbob on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 3:51 PM

Better man than I Gunga Din!

And I think an E-9 is long in O scale!

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Posted by pastorbob on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 2:30 PM

 Medina1128 wrote:
For me, the decision was simply a matter of 1) my eyes aren't what they used to be, and 2) neither are my hands. It's hard enough to put HO cars/locomotices on the track.

Think that is bad?  Try adding Kadee G gauge couplers to a USA Alco PA longer than the workbench.  I do HO and G, and would rather work on the HO equipment anytime.

Bob 

 

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Posted by trainfan1221 on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 12:57 PM
I am in N scale and love it, but I do miss my HO days.
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Posted by tsgtbob on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:47 AM
 wjstix wrote:

As a recovering O scaler (15 years in O in the seventies and eighties) I do think everyone should have to be in a "minority scale" for a while before they're allowed to model in HO. I remember many times hearing HO guys whine about something costing $5 when the equivalent O scale product cost over $20. Someone who's only modelled in HO can't appreciate the amazing variety of good moderately priced products they have available to them.

SoapBox [soapbox]

 

Why Recovering? Embrace the O scale Additiction!!!Bow [bow]

A good frined of mine does Z. He used to complain about prices of HO and N, and justified not doing O on the basis of cost. Then, he retired from the Air Force, where he had easy (and cheap) access to Z scale direct from Germany.

I gave him a box of O scale stuffEvil [}:)] just to get him in a larger scale! Z ain't looking too cheap anymore!

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Posted by wjstix on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 9:55 AM

As a recovering O scaler (15 years in O in the seventies and eighties) I do think everyone should have to be in a "minority scale" for a while before they're allowed to model in HO. I remember many times hearing HO guys whine about something costing $5 when the equivalent O scale product cost over $20. Someone who's only modelled in HO can't appreciate the amazing variety of good moderately priced products they have available to them.

SoapBox [soapbox]

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Posted by Midnight Railroader on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 9:51 AM
Look at this Z scale work if you want to feel really inadequate. The site is full of amazing--and very tiny--models.
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Posted by jecorbett on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 9:36 AM
I hope I'm still around in 20 years when the Z scale guys will be telling the N scale guys their trains are too big and that they could get a lot more railroading in the same space if they would switch to Z.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 11:17 PM

  The only other scale I envy is Garden Scale.

because you just know those guys ride their train

when no one is looking.  and they can use N-scale as

a layout within a layout.

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Posted by Geared Steam on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 8:44 PM

(I see that every day at my local Wal Mart...)

I know EXACTLY what you mean Loathar

Laugh [(-D]

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Posted by tsgtbob on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 8:12 PM

Paul, I had considered S, before deciding I had entirely TOO much invested in O scale to switch.

The nice thing about the Larger "traditional" scales (S and O) is that they are big enough for middle aged eyes to see but "demand" more building skills from the modeler.

S has one advantage over O, in that the "toy" side has given us a good base of conversion items (Gilbert's American Flyer) that for the most part are scale. O scale, well it's kind of hit-or-miss if an item is full O scale, or a "representation" of an actual item.

In a way, I'm glad to be in O scale. I have met a LOT of good friends through the Fraternity Of Cranky Old O Scalers, I have learned a lot of skills (soldering brass locos, fabricating end framing for hoppers, how to get the most out of a square foot, and trackplanning from the Master John Armstrong) and most importantly, I've had FUN!!!

(As I said in a earlier post, I still "do" HO and N, just to keep up with my sons.) 

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Posted by IRONROOSTER on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 7:58 PM

Personally, I started in HO moved to O and then to S.  Along the way I built an N scale layout for my son in his bedroom and had a loop of G track in the basement.  In these days of RTR, none of these scales requires you to build anything. But you can find challenges in any of them, just some more than others.  I'm in S because I like the size - large enough to work with, small enough for a layout in the 600 sq ft I have available in my basement.

Enjoy

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 5:54 PM

Yeah, I know how you feel.  I do enjoy the challenge of N scale modeling, but it is just so much easier dealing with HO. 

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Posted by selector on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 12:14 PM

Ha ha.  You guys are all wet.  I would contract with their mama to run any troubleshooting for me.  Any gal that could put the fear of God in them critters would earn much more respect in my eyes.

Course, if they don't got no mama......

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Posted by loathar on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 11:11 AM
 wm3798 wrote:

"N Scale?  Shucks.. we ain't never tried that before, ain't we Delmer?"

"Nope, reckon we ain't.  Better stick to HO... We don't want none of them newfangled N scale trains round these parts... or Daddy'll tan our hides!"

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(I see that every day at my local Wal Mart...)

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Posted by markpierce on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 1:14 AM
 wm3798 wrote:

"N Scale?  Shucks.. we ain't never tried that before, ain't we Delmer?"

"Nope, reckon we ain't.  Better stick to HO... We don't want none of them newfangled N scale trains round these parts... or Daddy'll tan our hides!"

J. Clampett 

I want these guys on my side when trouble comes.  Does someone have their phone numbers?  I'll plan on having extra steaks for Independence Day.

Mark

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Posted by eeyore9900 on Monday, May 19, 2008 11:21 PM
Reminds me of the last class reunion I went to....
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