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Scratchbulid Competition
Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, February 15, 2004 10:10 AM
I think this contest/competition will propagate a lot of questions that will help all of us learn more about our hobby and the history of railroading. I'm sure the "old timers" will provide us "new timers" a lot of valuable information on railroad history and "how to" information.

Here's the link to Grayhound Challenger's original post: http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12255
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Posted by Hawks05 on Sunday, February 15, 2004 11:54 AM
i would be in but i've never done it before and really quite frankly don't get how you can using kits that are already pretty much done.

someone give me some incite on what the real meaning of scratchbuilding is. i know its pretty much just taking pieces from other kits or un-used stuff around the house and building a piece or rolling stock.
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Posted by ShaunCN on Sunday, February 15, 2004 12:06 PM
Never heard of this competition :(



derailment? what derailment? All reports of derailments are lies. Their are no derailments within a hundreed miles of here.
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, February 15, 2004 1:50 PM
Hawks05,

You build some, scratch your head wondering what you're doing, build some more, scratch your head, build some more.... Just joking [:D]

Scratch building is both fun and a challenge (no pun intended Grayhound) that you will enjoy with a result you can be proud of. Errrrr hopefully proud of [*^_^*]

To scratch build means to build something without using a kit(s) or step-by-step instructions. In other words, from a photo or blueprint, using raw materials (styrene, card stock, or whatever) you cut each piece and assemble it to complete your project. Of course you don't have to make your own styrene, screws, nails, glue, paint, etc., you should only use "store bought" items that you cannot manufacture yourself. If I remember correctly Grayhound Challenger stated that you could use manufactured ("store bought") trucks and couplers if you wanted. If you don't have the money to buy trucks, wheel sets or couplers, borrow them from one of your other cars.

As Dough said, start your scratch building experience with something simple. A gondola, flatcar or a simple house or freight station would be a good project to start with. You could use your own railroad name on it if you wanted.

Here's a re-post of my explanation on how to figure out the scale and size of your model.
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For those who have not scratch built but would like to try your hand at it, just keep in mind the scale you're doing.

For instance HO is 1:87 meaning that if the prototype is 87 feet long then the model would be one foot long. A 50' boxcar would be 0.5747126 feet or 6.8965512 inches (about 6-7/8") in length. Take 1 divided by 87 which gives you one scale foot. (0.0114942). Then multiple that by the length of the boxcar, 50', which gives you 0.5747126 scale feet. To get inches from feet multiply the scale feet by 12. In this instance 0.5747126 times 12 equals 6.8965512. The decimal equates close to 7/8".

Here's a great site for conversions. http://www.onlineconversion.com/

Now lets convert a photo. You know that a 50' boxcar model is 6-7/8". When you measure the boxcar in the photo it is only, for simplicity, 3-7/16" then you know that the boxcar in the photo is half the size of the model you want to build. Therefore all measurements from the photo need to be doubled (multiplied by 2). If the photo measurement, lets say, is 2.29884 (close to 2-19/64) then the boxcar in the photo is only 1/3 the size and all measurements must be multiplied by 3 to get the correct size for your model.

I use a "cheap" digital caliper (mine cost less than $20) to measure photos. This gives you decimal numbers for greater accuracy. Then convert to fractions only if needed.

I hope this has been a help. It may sound difficult at first but after you convert a couple measurements you'll see how easy it is.


By scratch building you will learn a lot about the prototype and enjoy your hobby that much more.



ShaunCN,

Dough posted the link to Grayhound Challenger's original post but here it is again. http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12255

Hope to see your entry in the contest.


To All,

Grayhound Challenger said he would post the final set of "Rules for entry" along with the start and end dates for the contest. This is the first contest that he is hosting so bare with him while he puts things together.

I for one am looking forward to seeing all the photos of projects entered in this competition - even the train wrecks! [:)]

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, February 15, 2004 6:19 PM
Dough,

I haven't seen Grayhound Challenger on the forum today and can't speak for him. IMHO decals would fall into the same category with styrene, screws, nails, glue, paint, etc., they are a manufactured item. However, if you want to do your own railroad name and make custom decals go for it!

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, February 15, 2004 6:39 PM
I never heard of it till now
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 16, 2004 7:42 AM

To those of you who have just stumbled across this thread:

Grayhound Challenger has proposed those of us who are interested do a bit of scratchbuilding, ie. build something we can use on our layouts using only the basic materials. As I understand it, the 'rules' are still in the creation stage with anyone's input welcome.

If you haven't done any scratchbuilding it doesn't matter. The basic idea is to stretch our skills a bit and have some fun doing it. If you have ever considered trying your hand here is your chance.

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 16, 2004 8:13 AM
Here's the link to Grayhound Challenger's original post: http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12255

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Posted by ClinchValleySD40 on Monday, February 16, 2004 8:20 AM
Nope, not interested. No time to participate.
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Posted by easyaces on Monday, February 16, 2004 9:56 AM
I think Grayhound Challenger's idea is worthy of some attention. One question though, where would this competition be held?
MR&L(Muncie,Rochester&Lafayette)"Serving the Hoosier Triangle" "If you lost it in the Hoosier Triangle, We probably shipped it " !!
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Posted by ShaunCN on Monday, February 16, 2004 2:40 PM
I think this is a great idea. I'm still not shure though how i sign up for this thing. If any one has any other info i'd like to know please.

derailment? what derailment? All reports of derailments are lies. Their are no derailments within a hundreed miles of here.
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Posted by orsonroy on Monday, February 16, 2004 4:02 PM
Between building the layout, painting a few passenger cars, and kitbashing a couple of cabooses for an article, I won't have the time to join in the scratchbuilding fun :-(

But I'll be watching!

Ray Breyer

Modeling the NKP's Peoria Division, circa 1943

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 16, 2004 4:22 PM
I'd love to see the entries, but With my skills, I would be laughed out of the competition !!!!!!
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Posted by Hawks05 on Monday, February 16, 2004 4:37 PM
cfdfireman. i've never scratchbuilt anything.

the only custom thing i've done to a piece of rolling stock was put useless trucks on a flat car. i took 4 of them and glued them to the flat car. thats the extent of my customization.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 16, 2004 4:45 PM
I haven't even done that !!!!!!! Let me get some exp. Then maybe !!!!
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 16, 2004 4:59 PM
Its nice to see that my creation has taken on a life of its own!!!!!!!.

As I write, I almost have the rules finalized. But still do not have dates for the compitition set, and I wont be able to set them until I hear back from potential sponsors.

Dough is correct in that parts from kits are not allowed. Allowed premanufactured Items are Trucks, Couplers, Door and Window Castings, small detail parts, like brake cylinders, Brake wheels, and the like. Peel and Stick shingles for buildings is also permitted, and finally Decals are allowed as well.

In regards as to where this compitition will take place, I am wanting to hold it online. This I will will be able to expose it to maximum viewership and make anyone from around the world able to participate should they choose to do so. Photos of the model being built and after completion as well as an article detailing its construction can then be mailed, or e-mailed to me after completion.

To answer Shaun CN's concerns about signing up, It is really quite easy. Just scratchbuild something according to the rules and have it submitted by the due date, and your in. However since I am finalising the rules for this compition, getting started is somewhat dificult at this moment.

Finally cfdfirmen's comments about being so unskilled he would be laughed out of the compitition. I say to you, you never know what you can do unless you try. I find that this hobby has alot of artificial barriers. Things seem to hard so people to try them. Yet if you try them, you find them to be quite easy. So I urge you to build something. It only has to be a simple tool shed in order to qualify as an entry. It just has to be scratch built.

Also at this time, I would like to announce that I will be offering unlimited technicle and how to assistance to anyone feeling they need it. You can post here, or contact me on AIM or through email. Contact info is avaialbe through my profile.

Again, I would like to thank all of you for enthusiasticly taking charge of your modeling and help me bring this thing to fruition.

James.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, February 17, 2004 7:50 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Grayhound Challenger

Also at this time, I would like to announce that I will be offering unlimited technicle and how to assistance to anyone feeling they need it.



I too would like to offer my assistance in the area of building your model. Contact me via any of the ways shown on the bar below.

Contest questions, however, should be addressed to Grayhound Challenger.

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, February 17, 2004 8:31 AM
Great idea. Sounds like fun.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, February 17, 2004 4:57 PM
I would like to announce that I have now added MSN instant messenger to the list of possible ways to contact me. Check my profile for contact info.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, February 17, 2004 5:54 PM
I'll make an CR/NS MT6 slug set.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, February 17, 2004 6:25 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by dougal

I'll make an CR/NS MT6 slug set.

cool i will make a homebuilt snowplow/flanger[8D]
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, February 17, 2004 9:49 PM
That's the spirit!

I am still debating if I want to enter my own compition. In the unlikely event that I should win, I think it would look rigged.

But if I do decide to enter, Im thinking on making a modern design art-deco train station.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, February 18, 2004 3:19 PM
Uh, Can any of you fill in this Western RR modeler in here. What is an MT-6? Obviously it was something owned by Conrail. And thus has not entered my scope of research yet.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, February 18, 2004 5:02 PM
Thanks for the info. I am more informed now.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, February 19, 2004 1:21 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Dough

QUOTE: Originally posted by dougal

I'll make an CR/NS MT6 slug set.


Seriously, if you need any info or pics, there is one just laying around about 30 min from me.


No thanks. In fact I should be the one to sent you pics! I live 20 minutes from NS's Allentown yard were there are 3 SD38/MT6 sets! Allentown has the only new logo MT6. One set is in CR blue one is in NS and the other is in the new logo.

I'll find and post some shots of MT6's on BRRM for ya.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, February 19, 2004 1:24 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Dough

It is a from a series of slugs made from chopped down Alco RS11, RS12, and RS15s. MT6 is Motor Trailor six wheel. There are also some RS4s which I believe were made from RS11's. I am pretty sure that it was EMD who did the conversions as they added bloomberg trucks. Conrail had them made and then CSX and NS split them.

I believe that most have been retired by now. I was lucky enough to see one operating at CSX's Frontier Yard a while back, and just recently a local shortline purchased one of an MT4 number 1005 from CSX's surplus auction. I am not sure why they wanted it however. My best guess is parts, although other than the trucks I don't know what else would work for their Geeps.

Their is a site somewhere that talks about them and has pics. I'll see if I can find it.
Here it is click on the side bar to learn more:
http://crcyc.railfan.net/locos/misc/slug/slug.html

HTH


The NS ones are still around. As you said CSX is getting rid of them with RC units.[V]
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, February 19, 2004 3:40 PM
Dougal
Just in case you didn't know. You can find scale drawings of the MT6 in the March 1992 RMC Page 67.
I've been thinking of bashing an SD38 and MT6 but haven't come across the necessary parts yet.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, February 19, 2004 4:31 PM
Well this is a scratchbuild compitition. Might want to try your hand at scratch building one. From looking at the pictures. One would be fairly easy to scratchbuild. I only see the notches in the corners becoming a problem involving serious thought to figure out.

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, February 19, 2004 4:43 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Ray Marinaccio

Dougal
Just in case you didn't know. You can find scale drawings of the MT6 in the March 1992 RMC Page 67.
I've been thinking of bashing an SD38 and MT6 but haven't come across the necessary parts yet.


I'm looking for that.[:)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, February 19, 2004 7:32 PM
Well Grayhound, I wasn't planning to build it for your contest. I was just trying to help out a fellow modeler.

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