pcarrell wrote: Cederstrand wrote: ***Jerry, what's it got under the hood seat? You don't REALLY want to know, do you?
Cederstrand wrote: ***Jerry, what's it got under the hood seat?
***Jerry, what's it got under the hood seat?
You don't REALLY want to know, do you?
I suppose you're gonna tell us it's "Natural Gas" powered.
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twhite wrote: Well, I've decided that I'm going to get rid of my BLI steamers. ... I like them, but I've got to thin out the herd, so to speak, and none of them are for the two railroads I model. So I may put them up on E-bay. If anyone's in the market for a first-run N&W 2-6-6-4 or a couple of Pennsy M1's or a UP 4-8-2 in Overland paint or a Santa Fe 2-10-2 and 4-8-4, I may start listing them. And WHY, you ask, if I model Rio Grande and SP, am I getting a GN Z-6 in October, LOL?
Well, I've decided that I'm going to get rid of my BLI steamers. ... I like them, but I've got to thin out the herd, so to speak, and none of them are for the two railroads I model. So I may put them up on E-bay. If anyone's in the market for a first-run N&W 2-6-6-4 or a couple of Pennsy M1's or a UP 4-8-2 in Overland paint or a Santa Fe 2-10-2 and 4-8-4, I may start listing them.
And WHY, you ask, if I model Rio Grande and SP, am I getting a GN Z-6 in October, LOL?
Because they are irresistable. However, you'd be better off getting UP 2-10-2s and 2-8-8-0s which the SP leased after WWII. They ran in Nevada and Oregon, respectively. Or maybe you should save up for some SP 4-10-2s which Division Point plans to produce.
Mark
Mark:
STOP THAT, LOL!!
Actually, I ran into a used 4-10-2 at Roseville Hobbies, the last time I was in there. Forgot the mfgr, but it sure was a handsome devil. I know that UP had some 2-8-8-0's working on the Shasta Division right after WWII, but (and don't throw things, guys) UP steam power just doesn't do anything for me, for some strange reason.
You're right, I'm getting the GN Z-6 because it's irresistable. My excuse is that GN didn't like them very much, so they've loaned it to the Rio Grande because Rio Grande desperately needed to supplement their own L-105's, and the UP clone L-97's weren't cutting the job and the Z had about the same TE as the Rio Grande Baldwins (actually, a little more). Besides, I've got a couple of GN brass 'on loan' that I run fairly often, so it's not that the Z will be an 'orphan.'
But those BLI's just take too much voltage for me.
Tom
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twhite wrote: Mark: You're right, I'm getting the GN Z-6 because it's irresistable. My excuse is that GN didn't like them very much, so they've loaned it to the Rio Grande because Rio Grande desperately needed to supplement their own L-105's, and the UP clone L-97's weren't cutting the job and the Z had about the same TE as the Rio Grande Baldwins (actually, a little more). Besides, I've got a couple of GN brass 'on loan' that I run fairly often, so it's not that the Z will be an 'orphan.'Tom
I thought those GN Z-6s were leased from NP. If so, why didn't they return 'em?
I can resist anything except temptation.
Good afternoon, 3H weather here again today, this has been a summer like we haven't seen in years here. Tomorrow, the Berkshires are due to get flooding rains, 4-5" and we get about 2-3", then on Thursday, the ever so slow cold front moves east and we get the flooding rains. I was checking the reservoirs, lakes and ponds around here and they are all at max, and the water table is fairly high, so we might be in for some real flooding in lowlands. I am on a hill, so unless the hill slides away, we are safe, but Cherry Valley may be in trouble.
I was noticing in an email today that Trueline trains has just delivered a line of real nice CN and CP box cars. These cars look great for detail. I think Luc, Fergie and John are moving quickly to buy them up, cornering the market.
FERGIE: I think the Hudson can outrun the storm if she has to. Still bears watching though. Any MRR construction this trip? When are you due back in port?
JERRY: I heard that you finally completed your green power vehicle, she looks good. Methane powered, very clever. How many miles per Diner meal do you get in that speed demon? Rumor has it that the Weather Channel wants to do a special on your design!!! Congrats!!! I will be sure to watch the show.
ED: I see you are headed inland just as Dolly hits the Mexican east coast north of you. I think you will be well away from the rains.
JEFF: I see you are back up to speed, lets hope you don't have to threaten them again with Guido and Max.
MRR progress: Once again on hold. We have a split level ranch set into a hillside. Originally there was a single car garage attached to the house on the lower level right side with an open deck on top used as a playpen for the kids. The open deck later was made into a dining room addition as the family grew larger. The single car garage ( 14' wide ) became far too small to be practical, so we converted the garage to a storage room and closed in the front with a door and a window. The problem is, that front wall is 2x4 and faces the cold northeast in winter. The door is non standard height at only 75" due to the former header over the garage door. So, we are removing the wall and rebuilding with 2x6 construction, a new window that is low E, argon gas filled double pane will be installed, and the header will be cut to allow for standard height heavy insulated door. Of course the 2x6 walls will allow for much thicker insulation as well. We picked up all the wood and the door at HD today, and the window is ordered, due in a few days from Marvin Mfg. Might this room make a MRR room in the future.......???? The Shadow Knows hehehehehehheehehehe ( How many of you guys remember the radio program, "The Shadow" with Lamont Cransdon?
Later,
markpierce wrote: twhite wrote: I thought those GN Z-6s were leased from NP. If so, why didn't they return 'em? Mark
twhite wrote:
I'm a little unclear on that, myself. Perhaps a GN/NP expert could let us know. I'd heard that GN bought them outright then didn't like them and sold them to the SP&S, where they were so successful that SP&S turned around and bought some Z-8's when Alco produced them. I do know that GN visited Alco very seldom, buying most of their steamers from Baldwin, or building their own at the Hillyard shops. Maybe someone on the forum can clear up the confusion. But that Z sure looks like a pretty lil' thang . And it's from Sunset, and I've had good luck with my Sunset models (SP 2-8-0, AC-6), so I'm not too worried about the running qualities. And frankly, considering the prices I've seen used Z-8's going for in the brass market, the price is almost a steal. Actually less than my PSC F-81 2-10-2, and that baby is a JEWEL!
Tom, I'm confused too about the GN Z-6s.
Division Point's website says they were leased (in one spot from the SP&S, and another the NP).
This other site says they were purchased from the SP&S and then later resold to them:
http://www.steamlocomotive.com/challenger/gn.shtml
One thing for sure, Division Point's version of the loco will cost much, much more than Sunset's.
From the Book, Articulated Steam Locomotives of North American by Robert A LaMassena....
"........,the SP&S boaught six 4-6+6-4's in 1937, built to contempoarary NP design, but burning oil as fuel. ............ Two years after their arrival, the GN leased two of them, and operated them for a period of ten years out of Spokane, then returned them to the SP&S."
The book states that in 1944, the SP&S bought two more 4-6+6-4's that were NP design but a later model.
That confirms Mark's post......
GARRY
HEARTLAND DIVISION, CB&Q RR
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grayfox1119 wrote:JEFF: I see you are back up to speed, lets hope you don't have to threaten them again with Guido and Max.
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Heartland Division CBandQ wrote: From the Book, Articulated Steam Locomotives of North American by Robert A LaMassena...."........,the SP&S boaught six 4-6+6-4's in 1937, built to contempoarary NP design, but burning oil as fuel. ............ Two years after their arrival, the GN leased two of them, and operated them for a period of ten years out of Spokane, then returned them to the SP&S." The book states that in 1944, the SP&S bought two more 4-6+6-4's that were NP design but a later model. That confirms Mark's post......
Garry--
If Robert LaMessina wrote it, then I'll BELIEVE it, by golly! I've got his book on Rio Grande steam locos--RIO GRANDE, SUPERPOWER OF THE ROCKIES, and in that book at least, he's right on the mark. I like that guy's writing and his research. That Rio Grande book really opened my eyes as to what the road wanted in steam locos (and pretty much got from Baldwin and Alco), and where they wanted the locos to assign to particular divisions for the most power for the money. For instance, I always wondered why the huge F-81 2-10-2's had such short Vandy tenders--well I found out that Rio Grande ordered them from Alco in 1916 specifically for service over Soldier Summit on their Salt Lake division between Provo and Helper, (a relatively short distance) and didn't need great big tenders for the length of the route, but they wanted a big brute of a loco for the then 4% (later reduced to 2%) grade. Makes sense to me. They worked that section of the division very successfully from 1916 to 1955--a pretty good life span.
Besides, that cute little Vandy is a real attention-grabber every time I run my F-81, LOL! One of my friends said, "That tender--it's a joke, right? I mean, where's the REAL one?"
I just grinned. "You're LOOKING at it, buddy." He shook his head. Still doesn't believe me.
Time to pop in for a little snack before this place slides onto page 2. A Dagwood special please!
Evening Gang: I haven't said much in the last few days. I've been but too pooped to write.
Tom Lowel is getting some great care. I guess you will spoil the heck out of him. I'm supprised that he puts up with the IV every day. He's a good kitty for sure.
Jeff: After looking at the park and the ball game I'd like to ask; Who's on first. OK gang take it from there.
Fergie I think that soldering the wires back on the motor may help. Electrons don't like to jump those gaps. Lazy arn't they?
Well I've been spending the last couple of days pumping out the frack pit. I couldn't see wasting all that water by letting it evaporate. The water isn't very deep so moving the pump is being done often. That is hard work in the 100F weather. The pit is lined with black plastic that really helps the evaportion rate. Also the sweat rate since the pump is on the bottom.
I'm going to hit the sack.
Good Night All
from Saskatchewan, in the Great White North..
We have met the enemy, and he is us............ (Pogo)
Good evening Crew,
Thought I would stop by on my way to bed.
I just found this photo on a site called "Somewhere west of Denver" it is a really great site for western railroad photos.
I thought you might like this one. Who said that Mom and Dad Alco didn't teach their kids to smoke... A couple of old SP&S units working the Keddie yard for the WP.
All for now, sleep well ya all.
Johnboy out..................
Johnboy--
Minute I saw that photo, before I read your post, I yelled "that's KEDDIE!!"
Dang, I'm getting good!
Hello everybody ...
Tom ... that' really interesting about the Rio Grande 2-10-2's .....
John Boy ..... My Chapel Car book arrived. Looks like lots of interesting reading. I appreciate your posting a review last week...
I've been running GN trains lately. I should get back to building the layout. I've got the next area's plans firmed up now. I have so many old HO locomotives, it does not seam feasible to change to DCC. However, the farther I go on this layout, the more complex the wiring gets. DCC would simplify things.
We've had a lot of church stuff going on lately. A lot of time spent on that. ALso, our church friend with cancer is having a rough time with the chemotherapy.
Happy Model Railroading......
Good Morning from Tipton IN !
Bill Tidler Jr.
Near a cornfield in Indiana...
Paul W. Beverung wrote:Jeff: After looking at the park and the ball game I'd like to ask; Who's on first. OK gang take it from there.
Good morning.It's 75 and mostly clear here. We're expecting a high in the low 90's with a chance of thunderstorms later.Nothing special going on today. I went to my parents place for lunch yesterday. Lunch consisted of BLT's and chips. They had theirs on wheat bread, i had mine on sourdough. I hope we get some rain soon. The grass is starting to look a very unhealthy yellow tinge. The only other thing that went on was we had a call-out for a grass fire in Evans.Today's Weather for: Sundown, LA 71446-6114 7/23/2008Heat Index: 78°FHumidity: 94%Dew Point: 72°FSo Far TodayHigh: 77°FLow: 73°FRain: 0.00"Rain Rate: 0.00"/hGust: 7mph ESE Today High: 92 Mostly cloudy with scattered showers and thunderstorms. Highs in the lower 90s. Southeast winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 50 percent.Tonight Low: 75 Mostly cloudy with scattered showers and thunderstorms. Lows in the mid 70s. Southeast winds 10 to 15 mph in the evening becoming light and variable. Chance of rain 50 percent.
Good Morning All,
70F and a light rain with rain predicted all day. Got back from Elkhart Wisc ok and getting into the swing of things in the shop. We ended up bringing 10 cars out and brought them all back in good order - no blowups, crashes or other incidents.
Still waiting on the insurance adjustors for the house contents, but the contractor is movig forward after we met with him and the building inspector to go over what needed to be done to meet code. We will get to keep the 7' ceilings on the second floor rooms as "pre-existing" so that helps a bunch. The rest was pretty straight forward. Not so easy is what to do about HVAC as we have a combination of single pipe steam on the first floor and electric baseboard upstairs. Now is a good time to upgrade but the steam is more efficient than most other systems.
Went to the museum last night and helped with the new O gage laying out a roundhouse and hill that we'll combine to make a single area.
So much for now, I'll just get my coffee and get back to it. CUL, J.R.
Since J.R.'s buying I'll have the bacon and eggs with biscuits and gravy and oj.
Good morning all,
Thunderstorms this afternoon and over night.
Ed how close is Dolly to you?
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/
Fergie, are you in port?
TOM, HO I see. Keep me up to date on any locomotive sales.
Jeff, plate #2 looks real good from here.
I ordered another 80 couplers from LHS. These LL knuckle couplers are just too easy to install and at 31 cents a coupler you can't go wrong. I hope tonight to letter a few more hoppers and I'm going to take your advice and start the gondolas at 1000.
Dale ran into a former Champs dealer and bought a box of FP&E decals. Fairport and Eastern a short line that serviced coal docks and a few chemical companies.
Lee
BM1 Lee Soule USCG (ret) L.S.&W Railroad Serving the Lower Great Lakes
Morning all!
I wasn't around much last night......anything shaking?
Yeah, I had family from all over the U.S. over last night. Saw relatives that I haven't seen in 25 or 30 years over. It was great to see them again.
Well, after a night like that, I need to get back to work so I can get some rest!
Later!
jeffrey-wimberly wrote: Paul W. Beverung wrote:Jeff: After looking at the park and the ball game I'd like to ask; Who's on first. OK gang take it from there.You're right. Who's on first. Yes but who is the shortstop? Good morning.It's 75 and mostly clear here. We're expecting a high in the low 90's with a chance of thunderstorms later.Nothing special going on today. I went to my parents place for lunch yesterday. Lunch consisted of BLT's and chips. They had theirs on wheat bread, i had mine on sourdough. I hope we get some rain soon. The grass is starting to look a very unhealthy yellow tinge. The only other thing that went on was we had a call-out for a grass fire in Evans.Today's Weather for: Sundown, LA 71446-6114 7/23/2008Heat Index: 78°FHumidity: 94%Dew Point: 72°FSo Far TodayHigh: 77°FLow: 73°FRain: 0.00"Rain Rate: 0.00"/hGust: 7mph ESE Today High: 92 Mostly cloudy with scattered showers and thunderstorms. Highs in the lower 90s. Southeast winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 50 percent.Tonight Low: 75 Mostly cloudy with scattered showers and thunderstorms. Lows in the mid 70s. Southeast winds 10 to 15 mph in the evening becoming light and variable. Chance of rain 50 percent.
Yes but who is the shortstop?
Mornin, an irish coffee please Zoe. Weathers a whole lot nicer today,
Mostly sunny skies will be around today with more comfortable temperatures in the lower 80's this afternoon. Light north winds will keep humidity levels down for today and tonight with overnight lows dropping into the mid 50's. Thursday will stay pleasant until the chance for rain showers move in during the late evening hours. Daytime highs will climb into the mid 80's with a light west wind Thursday afternoon.
JERRY, I don't plan on spending much at the show. I like the old tractors [especially the steam] mostly.
PC, I'm sure the church booth would be happy to sell ya all the pie you could handle, so come on over. It's only about 160 mile from you. If you want to do some rail fanning on the way, get off I-70 at Marshall, and take US-40 over. You can see the old Pennsy [CSX], Vandalia line most the way.
PAUL, What's on second?
JR, good to hear from you. Sounds like your making some progress on the house now.
Tonight's not going to be a good, we got visitation for my Aunt Elizabeth [grandma's sister] died Monday at 83. She was my last aunt still around on mom's side. I have one uncle still with us, at 95 on that side, but his health has been fading and age has bout taken his mind.
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Morning All
Cup of Tea please
Well the storm missed Houston
My friend in Corpus says it's barely raining there
Guess I'll go to the corner booth and see who shows up
TerryinTexas
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Morning, Diners - just stopping in to mark my place. Have too many pages to read through now at w**k, so I'll mark my place in the booth here, and come back over lunch or dinner and get caught up.
From this morning's weather report, Jeff (and Teffy, if you're peeking in the window), you'd better batten down the hatches for the rain today. Paul may even get drenched out his area, depending on which way Dolly decides to go once she hits landfall.
Watch yourselves, our Southwesterners!
Blessings and a dry place to be today,
Jim in Cape Girardeau
in a SOUTHERN PACIFIC mug, please & thank you.
***Johnboy, man that is a LOT of smoke coming out of those locos. I can easily picture a couple steamers in their place. Excellent photo.
***J.R., glad to hear the construction can proceed. Seems like in your case (still living in the structure) that it should have already been done by now.
***Garry, good luck selling those extra locos. Hope you make a lot off them.
Managed to re-pull/tear/pop something deep under my shoulder blade. Don't know exactly what it is, but makes it hard to take a deep breath or look down. Wish I could trade this body in for a newer model.
Had a real nice rain last night. All the severe storms went by on either side of us. Nice to have the water storage tanks full again.
Have a great day, all. Rob
LSWrr wrote: jeffrey-wimberly wrote: Paul W. Beverung wrote:Jeff: After looking at the park and the ball game I'd like to ask; Who's on first. OK gang take it from there.You're right. Who's on first. Good morning.It's 75 and mostly clear here. We're expecting a high in the low 90's with a chance of thunderstorms later.Nothing special going on today. I went to my parents place for lunch yesterday. Lunch consisted of BLT's and chips. They had theirs on wheat bread, i had mine on sourdough. I hope we get some rain soon. The grass is starting to look a very unhealthy yellow tinge. The only other thing that went on was we had a call-out for a grass fire in Evans.Today's Weather for: Sundown, LA 71446-6114 7/23/2008Heat Index: 78°FHumidity: 94%Dew Point: 72°FSo Far TodayHigh: 77°FLow: 73°FRain: 0.00"Rain Rate: 0.00"/hGust: 7mph ESE Today High: 92 Mostly cloudy with scattered showers and thunderstorms. Highs in the lower 90s. Southeast winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 50 percent.Tonight Low: 75 Mostly cloudy with scattered showers and thunderstorms. Lows in the mid 70s. Southeast winds 10 to 15 mph in the evening becoming light and variable. Chance of rain 50 percent.Yes but who is the shortstop?
jeffrey-wimberly wrote: Paul W. Beverung wrote:Jeff: After looking at the park and the ball game I'd like to ask; Who's on first. OK gang take it from there.You're right. Who's on first. Good morning.It's 75 and mostly clear here. We're expecting a high in the low 90's with a chance of thunderstorms later.Nothing special going on today. I went to my parents place for lunch yesterday. Lunch consisted of BLT's and chips. They had theirs on wheat bread, i had mine on sourdough. I hope we get some rain soon. The grass is starting to look a very unhealthy yellow tinge. The only other thing that went on was we had a call-out for a grass fire in Evans.Today's Weather for: Sundown, LA 71446-6114 7/23/2008Heat Index: 78°FHumidity: 94%Dew Point: 72°FSo Far TodayHigh: 77°FLow: 73°FRain: 0.00"Rain Rate: 0.00"/hGust: 7mph ESE Today High: 92 Mostly cloudy with scattered showers and thunderstorms. Highs in the lower 90s. Southeast winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 50 percent.Tonight Low: 75 Mostly cloudy with scattered showers and thunderstorms. Lows in the mid 70s. Southeast winds 10 to 15 mph in the evening becoming light and variable. Chance of rain 50 percent.
NO! Who's on first!
-Morgan