M 1's have Chabum armor, so the occupants would be in the "safest" place. Still, he should have parked it head on facing the oncomingtrain with the turret turned away. Hey, they may find a round or two....
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marknewton wrote: 2-8-8-0 wrote: As has been mentioned a steam explosion could well result...Why do you think that? How many instances where a collision or derailment has lead to a boiler explosion can you cite?Cheers,Mark.
2-8-8-0 wrote: As has been mentioned a steam explosion could well result...
As has been mentioned a steam explosion could well result...
lets not compare hitting a car to hitting a tank. Rather lets imagine what would happen if the loco hits another extremely massive object, like....68 tons of M1 tank. In "Reflections of the Nickel Plate Road" one of the first photographs is of a pair of steamers (i think both are 4-6-0s) that had a head on collision in western ohio. One loco was smashed underneath its own tender, the second had disintegrated into unrecognizable components. In both locomotives it was painfully obvious that the boiler would not be able to maintain pressure. I dont mean "explosion" as in KABOOM, destroying the entire locomotive. What perhaps should have been said was that a "rapid, vigorous, and potentially harmful" escape of steam could have resulted. I dont know why you have so much reason to doubt this, but if a collision like this were a real world scenario, i would definately want to be somewhere else.
dehusman wrote: marknewton wrote:Why do you think that? How many instances where a collision or derailment has lead to a boiler explosion can you cite?The most famous example is the staged collision on the MKT between two steam engines. The boilers did explode and resulted in several fatalites and numerous injuries.Dave H.
marknewton wrote:Why do you think that? How many instances where a collision or derailment has lead to a boiler explosion can you cite?
The most famous example is the staged collision on the MKT between two steam engines. The boilers did explode and resulted in several fatalites and numerous injuries.
Dave H.
wjstix wrote:Steam locomotives are a series of long narrow steel tubes holding steam under high pressure.
Almost. They are long narrow steel tubes holding very hot water under high pressure.
What actually causes the explosion isn't the pressure, its a sudden drop in pressure. When the the boiler develops a major leak and drops the pressure from 250 psi to atmosphere within seconds, all the superheated water in the boiler immediately turns to steam and attempts to expand. Followed by a big boom.
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I think that was the one where the newsreel photographer a quarter mile away lost an eye to a bolt sailing like a bullet.
Steam locomotives are a series of long narrow steel tubes holding steam under high pressure. If in a crash one of the pipes got even a whole in it, all the steam in the entire engine would try to escape through that hole all at once - causing an incredible explosion.
I would think a steam engine speeding along and crashing into a large modern tank could sustain damage to a steam pipe causing an explosion. If it would happen every time, or one time out of 10, or whatever, I don't know. It maybe isn't even likely, but it is plausible.
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I noticed the diesel horn too, and that would have been an easy fix. Wish they would get that stuff right. As for production quality, I think it was pretty good. The scene probably only lasted 15 seconds total, so they can't be expected to spend tons of money on just 15-20 seconds of air time. And they did avoid having them explode, which was a nice touch. It was perfectly beliveable they would have a PRR locomotive. Steamtown USA in Scranton has a UP Big Boy, so a museum in Kansas could have a PRR locomotive.
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jimk wrote:..........it seems like the engine would have at least derailed, I don't know about it rolling the tank over like it did. It seems like it would have pushed it off to the side..........
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AntonioFP45 wrote:I should have clarified. "Upper Hand" as far as the occupants' chances of surviving.
Yeah, that was part of what I was talking about too. I can't see how anyone in either tank or loco would survive. The tank itself would likely end up a bit more intact, but any occupants wouldn't. Well, at least I wouldn't want to have been inside to find out.
The loco was actually a 1/8 scale live steamer.
I've been a fan of Jericho since the first episode, but this nearly ruined it for me. The shots of the steamer were poorly done (the thing looked like a cheap - emphasize cheap - plastic model, not a live steamer) and the diesel horn as it approached the tank was just too much. Add to that the Pennsy Keystone on the smokebox door and what do you have? Crappy production quality!
If my wife hadn't been watching the show too, I probably would have turned it off.
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It's hard to imagine that having an upper hand in that sort of crash would mean very much. With that much kinetic energy involved - both would lose.
Jericho????
That show still comes on? I watched it the first year (season). Interesting but just far too depressing for me. Add to that, a number of the scenes were "technically" inaccurate (typical Hollyweird).
A K4 hitting a modern tank? The tank, imho, would have the upper hand as it has a very low center of gravity and it's construction includes the use of high strength alloys.
Ok, So I'm A Jericho nerd! The M-1 didn't have any main gun ammo, his only choice was to block the tracks. You can watch the first season on DVD (Its good) to find out how a town got A M-1 in the first place. Also, an EMP disabled everything electrical, so the other town pulled the steam loco out of a musuem.
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Awsome video link...But what a bummer after seeing that live Pennsy steamer..I don't like my n scale stuff anymore!!!! Just kidding, but I wouldn't mind having that set up to run around my house with a some hoppers hauling real coal. I can see the grade crossing over the driveway now...working gates, lights, wow! ----Rob
Of course it would have helped if he had put a round through the train. One armour piercing round would take out the boiler front to back. The loco wouldn't have traveled too far after that.
Derail...yes explode...no? The M-1 wouldn't explode and if the ammo did go off it is in it's own exterior compartment with blast relief doors to vent the explosion.
Still cool though.
loathar wrote:A friend of mine had a book on steam loco accidents. It had pics of a boiler explosion in a round house.
A friend of mine had a book on steam loco accidents. It had pics of a boiler explosion in a round house.
It set off the other boilers around it ...
...and leveled the whole building. Killed something like 30 people.
2-8-8-0 wrote:As has been mentioned a steam explosion could well result...
dinwitty wrote:I have never seen a boiler explosion but I doubt it would be lots of fire explosions unless the tender used oil. It would be more like a lot of steam flashes the area as water escapes and expands to make steam as its under pressure and flood the near area with steaming water making a dense fog for a short while till it all cools. All the water could stifle the burning coals in the firebox.
I have never seen a boiler explosion but I doubt it would be lots of fire explosions unless the tender used oil. It would be more like a lot of steam flashes the area as water escapes and expands to make steam as its under pressure and flood the near area with steaming water making a dense fog for a short while till it all cools. All the water could stifle the burning coals in the firebox.
BRAKIE wrote: As far as boiler explosions I had a uncle killed in a boiler explosion..The locomotive bell landed 7 blocks away in a guy's front lawn while chunks of the boiler was thrown for thousands of feet.House windows was broken for blocks around the yard as was the windows in the yard office and several yard buildings..The whistle was never located..I will spare the gory details concerning the engine crew,a switchman and a carman that was working in the wrong area at the wrong time..As far as the tank and steam locomotive? The tank will win out and the locomotive would derail..Its reinforced steel.Everything else is Hollywood excitement.
As far as boiler explosions I had a uncle killed in a boiler explosion..The locomotive bell landed 7 blocks away in a guy's front lawn while chunks of the boiler was thrown for thousands of feet.House windows was broken for blocks around the yard as was the windows in the yard office and several yard buildings..The whistle was never located..I will spare the gory details concerning the engine crew,a switchman and a carman that was working in the wrong area at the wrong time..
As far as the tank and steam locomotive? The tank will win out and the locomotive would derail..Its reinforced steel.Everything else is Hollywood excitement.
A friend of mine had a book on steam loco accidents. It had pics of a boiler explosion in a round house. It set off the other boilers around it and leveled the whole building. Killed something like 30 people. What a mess!
mlehman wrote: That's my favorite TV show right now. Great to see it back.The show's CBS website has some info on staging the crash scene. Don't have the link handy, but Google is your friend. I think they used a G-gauge loco to stage it, then CGI-ed the tank into it.BTW, Hawkins bailed out before the crash. The dude is one cool character!
That's my favorite TV show right now. Great to see it back.
The show's CBS website has some info on staging the crash scene. Don't have the link handy, but Google is your friend. I think they used a G-gauge loco to stage it, then CGI-ed the tank into it.
BTW, Hawkins bailed out before the crash. The dude is one cool character!
Actually a 1:12 scale live steam loco - glad they didn't really wreck it!
What I saw in the, "Making of," clip looks pretty reasonable. The K4 weighs twice as much as the Abrams, backed up by the mass of the following cars - and all of that punch would be delivered right at the front coupler, which isn't that high off the ground. No question that both machines involved would be prime candidates for recycling (as scrap) and not much else.
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It was a fun episode! I am glad that show is back on, and Hawkins is greatness! The premise was the "Bad" town got a Loco working to launch a flank attack on Jericho. Hawkins had the right idea, and drove the M-1 on the tracks to stop it. It was a pretty cool scene!
Here's the link to the "making of" video.
http://www.cbs.com/primetime/jericho/video/video.php?
This is a show I wanted to watch, but kept forgetting about, and I ended up so far behind that I didn't want to start in the middle. I'll have to catch up on the Sci-Fi channel.
So why are they running a K4 outfitted with an air horn?
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A Pennsy GG1 at speed hit a bulldozer and all it did was derail the front truck of the G.
The tank probably wouldn't explode. They are designed NOT to explode on impact since in a war they are subject to being "jostled". Since a K4 is not a huge locomotive it would probably derail and pile up and the tank would be shoved to the side
Net, neither explodes, but both are wrecked.