marknewton wrote:How did you go with that model of the theatre - did you finish it?All the best,Mark.
Interesting about Continental Modeller. Do you have mags that are published in Australia for the local modelling community?
As for the theatre, which is actually a Ballroom, I did complete the project and it is installed on the layout.
Simon Modelling CB&Q and Wabash See my slowly evolving layout on my picturetrail site http://www.picturetrail.com/simontrains and our videos at http://www.youtube.com/user/MrCrispybake?feature=mhum
marknewton wrote: andrechapelon wrote: marknewton wrote: CNJ831 wrote: ...Having seen a number of foreign model railroading magazines in my travels, I can vouch that I've rarely come across any U.S. prototype articles in them.Have a look at "Continental Modeller", published by Peco. Almost every issue features US prototype layouts built by people who aren't American and don't live in the US.Mark. There's no fewer than 3 North American related articles in the February, 2008 "Continental Modeler". http://www.peco-uk.com/Publications/ContinentalM_this.htmAndre, please don't confuse the issue with facts! Our resident historian has personally vouched that he's rarely come across any U.S. prototype articles in foreign magazines. So these three articles in one issue of CM are not significant...Cheers,Mark.
andrechapelon wrote: marknewton wrote: CNJ831 wrote: ...Having seen a number of foreign model railroading magazines in my travels, I can vouch that I've rarely come across any U.S. prototype articles in them.Have a look at "Continental Modeller", published by Peco. Almost every issue features US prototype layouts built by people who aren't American and don't live in the US.Mark. There's no fewer than 3 North American related articles in the February, 2008 "Continental Modeler". http://www.peco-uk.com/Publications/ContinentalM_this.htm
marknewton wrote: CNJ831 wrote: ...Having seen a number of foreign model railroading magazines in my travels, I can vouch that I've rarely come across any U.S. prototype articles in them.Have a look at "Continental Modeller", published by Peco. Almost every issue features US prototype layouts built by people who aren't American and don't live in the US.Mark.
CNJ831 wrote: ...Having seen a number of foreign model railroading magazines in my travels, I can vouch that I've rarely come across any U.S. prototype articles in them.
...Having seen a number of foreign model railroading magazines in my travels, I can vouch that I've rarely come across any U.S. prototype articles in them.
There's no fewer than 3 North American related articles in the February, 2008 "Continental Modeler". http://www.peco-uk.com/Publications/ContinentalM_this.htm
Sorry, couldn't help myself.
Leave it to the Brits to have the only model railway magazine that is devoted exclusively to railways outside the confines of the home country. At least as far as I know.
Andre
Andre, it would appear that Peco, for a small company, are rather savvy when it comes to export.
(The use of are in this sentence bugs the heck out of my wife, this is one of those subtle differences between us Brits and American English. She is of the opinion that since I live in the US I should use the US is in this case)
I think it is rather impressive that they have such a Global presence. It is also rather nice to buy product that are not all made in China.
simon1966 wrote: Andre, it would appear that Peco, for a small company, are rather savvy when it comes to export. (The use of are in this sentence bugs the heck out of my wife, this is one of those subtle differences between us Brits and American English. She is of the opinion that since I live in the US I should use the US is in this case) I think it is rather impressive that they have such a Global presence. It is also rather nice to buy product that are not all made in China.
I'm guessing the difference in usage is that Brits think of a company as a collection of individuals whereas we Yanks look at a company as a single unit.
My own wife drives me crazy referring to clothes in the singular (as in "that clothes" rather than "those clothes" and using "is" instead of "are"). I don't know why she does this as she's never been able to explain it.
True, True. The Chinese have a strong grip on the American economy. Thank goodness SOMEBODY (apparently Peco) doesn't manufactur in China.
Sawyer Berry
Clemson University c/o 2018
Building a protolanced industrial park layout
No, lets give those big time money making jobs in model railroading manufacturing to us Europeans!
Magnus
Better you than the Chinese!
Fine by me(us).
Dallas Model Works wrote:People model whatever floats their boat (which is weird given that it's trains we're yakkin' about).Certainly there are a lot of people here in N.A. who model European railroads.The foreign has always seemed exotic and thus interesting to many no matter where one lives.What is particlularly interesting about railways (Canada) and railroads (US) is how integral they were/are to building these geographically gigantic countires.A happenstance of human and technological progress, but rail travel and the growth of these countries happened simultaneously.Perhaps this is at least part of the reason why North American railroading holds a particular fascination for modelers from other continents.That, and really huge honking diesels.
People model whatever floats their boat (which is weird given that it's trains we're yakkin' about).
Certainly there are a lot of people here in N.A. who model European railroads.
The foreign has always seemed exotic and thus interesting to many no matter where one lives.
What is particlularly interesting about railways (Canada) and railroads (US) is how integral they were/are to building these geographically gigantic countires.
A happenstance of human and technological progress, but rail travel and the growth of these countries happened simultaneously.
Perhaps this is at least part of the reason why North American railroading holds a particular fascination for modelers from other continents.
That, and really huge honking diesels.
andrechapelon wrote:Leave it to the Brits to have the only model railway magazine that is devoted exclusively to railways outside the confines of the home country. At least as far as I know.
In response to my critics, let me say that in the final quarter of the last century, situations took me on trips to many foreign countries, including such places as Europe, Japan and Austalia. On each occasion, I purchased the available regional or the national train magazines and occasionally even attended associated exhibitions. I can relate that never, even once, did I find any U.S.-prototype articles there-in, nor personally observe any U.S.-prototype layouts.
I've not made any ventures outside the States since about 2000 and will acknowledge that in recently years most of the old European manufactures have essentially priced themselves out of the market and passed from the scene as independent companies. Because of this, if U.S.-prototype trains have made some inroads as a result elsewhere in the world, I would still contend that their percentage among foreign hobbyists amounts to far less than the faction of Americans who are today modeling European-type venues. Certainly, U.S.-prototype modeling is not a major portion of the hobby outside its home country, as some here would seem to wish to infer.
CNJ831
I think that this might vary tremendeously in between countries. For example, in Sweden I would guess that we have more then average(note guess) due to the love hate relationship towards the US. A lot of people have a connection to the US. Countries with less ties or perhaps a stronger dislike for the US in general might be less inclined to model a US prototype.
CNJ831 wrote:In response to my critics, let me say that in the final quarter of the last century, situations took me on trips to many foreign countries, including such places as Europe, Japan and Austalia. On each occasion, I purchased the available regional or the national train magazines and occasionally even attended associated exhibitions. I can relate that never, even once, did I find any U.S.-prototype articles there-in, nor personally observe any U.S.-prototype layouts.
CNJ831 wrote:I've not made any ventures outside the States since about 2000 ... if U.S.-prototype trains have made some inroads as a result elsewhere in the world, I would still contend that their percentage among foreign hobbyists amounts to far less than the faction of Americans who are today modeling European-type venues. Certainly, U.S.-prototype modeling is not a major portion of the hobby outside its home country, as some here would seem to wish to infer.
I've not made any ventures outside the States since about 2000 ... if U.S.-prototype trains have made some inroads as a result elsewhere in the world, I would still contend that their percentage among foreign hobbyists amounts to far less than the faction of Americans who are today modeling European-type venues. Certainly, U.S.-prototype modeling is not a major portion of the hobby outside its home country, as some here would seem to wish to infer.
Mark, I'm with you.
I can personally vouch that the Swedish magazine "Allt om hobby" which is as close to a model railroad magazine that we got do have articles on US railroads. So does the "annual". Now their isn't a lot of MR in those, I hardly ever buy them. But there are articles in them about US prototypes.
marknewton wrote: CNJ831 wrote: I've not made any ventures outside the States since about 2000 ... if U.S.-prototype trains have made some inroads as a result elsewhere in the world, I would still contend that their percentage among foreign hobbyists amounts to far less than the faction of Americans who are today modeling European-type venues. Certainly, U.S.-prototype modeling is not a major portion of the hobby outside its home country, as some here would seem to wish to infer.Your contention is based on knowedge that's out of date and woefully incomplete - it's laughable.You like to present yourself as an authoritative commentator on the hobby, and yet you seem to know SFA about anything outside the US.Mark.
CNJ831 wrote: I've not made any ventures outside the States since about 2000 ... if U.S.-prototype trains have made some inroads as a result elsewhere in the world, I would still contend that their percentage among foreign hobbyists amounts to far less than the faction of Americans who are today modeling European-type venues. Certainly, U.S.-prototype modeling is not a major portion of the hobby outside its home country, as some here would seem to wish to infer.
I'm afraid that it is you, sir, who is sadly laughable, coming off constantly a wise-*ss and acting as if you are always the ultimate authority on most any hobby subject, inspite of being isolated as you are. You may well know considerable about the prototype but please don't pretend, as you have here, to be knowledgable about the state of the hobby outside your own little microcosm.
I can only speak to what I have seen over the course of many years on numerous trips abroad. If you do not find that it meets with your divine aproval, that's unfortunate. I've spent many years examining the hobby's history and its evolution in detail, probably far more than anyone you've encountered (except for yourself, of course). Many others here don't care for my posts that point out unpleasant facts that are not to their liking but these remain true, nonetheless.
So, by all means, rant on in your typical fashion. I won't intrude further on your immense knowledge in this thread regarding the world state of the hobby...as seen from some obscure point in OZ.
CNJ831, you claim to have purchased the local model railroad magazines while visiting Japan, but have never seen anything in them about US railroading. You also stated that you haven't seen any US prototype modeling there.
To answer the second point first, Japanese seldom allow new acquaintances any farther into their homes than the formal parlor-reception room just inside the front door. You would have to become a trusted friend before being invited into anything as private as hobby space.
As for Tetsudo Mokei Shumi, maybe you were there during one of the few months when there were no articles, product reviews or advertisements for US prototypes in the magazine. Issues that feature American subjects are far more common, and more than one cover has been devoted to a US prototype. The one that comes immediately to my mind is a really impressive large-scale live steam model of a PRR T-1.
I'll grant that TMS text is heavy going for a person unfamiliar with printed Japanese, but anyone can read pictures.
Chuck (modeling Central Japan in September, 1964)
wyomingrailfan wrote:Seems like everyone models Canadian or American railroads. Because everyone thinks US RRs are more exciting
Folks lets not get too carried away here. This conversation started because of the above comment. In fairness to wyomingrailfan the Kalmbach forum and publications are hardly the place to develop an unbiased view on the subject since they provide little or no coverage for non US prototype modellers.
I think it would be fair to summarize this thread as having established that some feel that very few modellers outside the US model US prototype, while others suggest that the numbers are perhaps greater than one might imagine. In other words we don't really have any hard data, but it is clear that there is a vibrant, but smallish following of US railroads in any given country.
marknewton wrote:Have a look at "Continental Modeller", published by Peco. Almost every issue features US prototype layouts built by people who aren't American and don't live in the US.
Looks like an interesting magazine.. I kind of wish that my local B&N carried that rather then the other British stuff they carry. looks like the current issue is about 40% US prototype and the rest from "other" continents.
Chris
CNJ831 wrote: In response to my critics, let me say that in the final quarter of the last century, situations took me on trips to many foreign countries, including such places as Europe, Japan and Austalia. On each occasion, I purchased the available regional or the national train magazines and occasionally even attended associated exhibitions. I can relate that never, even once, did I find any U.S.-prototype articles there-in, nor personally observe any U.S.-prototype layouts.I've not made any ventures outside the States since about 2000 and will acknowledge that in recently years most of the old European manufactures have essentially priced themselves out of the market and passed from the scene as independent companies. Because of this, if U.S.-prototype trains have made some inroads as a result elsewhere in the world, I would still contend that their percentage among foreign hobbyists amounts to far less than the faction of Americans who are today modeling European-type venues. Certainly, U.S.-prototype modeling is not a major portion of the hobby outside its home country, as some here would seem to wish to infer.CNJ831
Your critics? Are you now a celebrity?
That's funny, I've been in Europe at least as often as you and the last time I was on the Continent was also 2000. I did go to the UK in 2002 and went to at least one exhibition then (not to mention taking a steam excursion behind ex-LMS 4-6-2 6201 "Princess Elizabeth"). As I recall, I have never been to a single British exhibit without seeing at least 1 US based layout. The venues that I recall fairly vividly are Horsham, Alton, and Edinburgh, although that doesn't exhaust the list. One particularly humorous episode was a chap who had painted up an Athearn SD40-2 for Network Southeast (this was just before privatization).
As for US articles in foreign mags (other than Continental Modeler), while I will admit it was over 20 years ago, I have seen an article on the Rio Grande in Eisenbahn Journal. I'm trying to remember others, but since I no longer have the magazines (I tend to read issues until they fall apart), it's a bit difficult. The EJ issue stands out because a picture of the CZ was on the cover.
From what I've seen, the portion of Americans modeling foreign prototypes is not high at all and anecdotal evidence would suggest it's lower than American modeling overseas. ETE (European Train Enthusiasts) sets up every year at the Roseville, CA, trainshow in November, but I don't recall any other train show where there was even one active European based layout. Modelers of British prototype in the US seem even scarcer, the exact reverse of the scene in Britain where, as I said, I've never been to an exhibition without seeing at least one US based layout. Then again, the same thing can be said for Continental based layouts in the UK. The Brits will model anything (just check out the latest issue of Continental Modeler).
And while we're at it, the UK is the only country I've seen where there is a model railway publication devoted exclusively to modeling railways outside the confines of the home country. Try publishing a magazine in the US devoted to modeling prototypes outside the confines of the United States. It'll fold after the second issue.
The ironic thing is that Britain has only about 23 million more people than the state of California. It doesn't take a great leap to conclude that there is a higher concentration of modelers and railfans in Britain than in the US (and probably anywhere else) especially when you see the number of modeling AND prototype magazines published there.
http://www.miniature-railway.com/
http://www.heritagerailway.co.uk/
http://www.peco-uk.com/Publications/RailwayM_this.htm
http://www.peco-uk.com/Publications/ContinentalM_this.htm
http://www.brmodelling.co.uk/main/default.asp
http://www.ipcmedia.com/brands/railway
http://www.pendragonpublishing.co.uk/
http://www.irwellpress.co.uk/
http://www.ianallanpublishing.com/pages.php?pageid=37
http://www.ianallanpublishing.com/pages.php?pageid=34
https://www.ianallanpublishing.com/pages.php?pageid=35
http://www.greatmagazines.co.uk/store/displaystore.asp?sid=397
http://www.steamdaysmag.co.uk/
http://www.railwaymagazine.com/
http://www.atlanticpublishers.com/gr/index.php
http://www.atlanticpublishers.com/er/index.php
http://www.atlanticpublishers.com/ngw/
http://www.connorandbutler.co.uk/railwayrecord.html
If only we Yanks had such an embarrassment of riches.
You're welcome. For future reference, all you need to do is Google "Peco Publications". That'll get you there real fast.
Hmm. I went to the site for the French mag "Loco Revue" and found a narrow gauge publication as well. It seems that the current issue of "Voie Libre" has an article on an On30 American based layout.
http://www.voielibre.com/
andrechapelon wrote: Hmm. I went to the site for the French mag "Loco Revue" and found a narrow gauge publication as well. It seems that the current issue of "Voie Libre" has an article on an On30 American based layout.http://www.voielibre.com/Andre
Inspired by this i checked the magazine "allt om hobby"(Translation= Everything about hobbies) which is a Swedish hobby magazine and the only one that concerns model railroading. The current issue have an article called "Durango & Silverton i Colorado ". Can anyone guess what that is about. I haven't checked it out but I'm quite sure that it isn't about Swedish railroads!
http://www.hobby.se/index.php?action=m2&id=1&huvudID=1&temav=normal&temac=sennr&temah=normal&fotID=1&stilmall=stilmall-A.php
From my " LITTLE OBSCURE POINT IN OZ ", which is Grafton in Northern NSW ( a small town ), I know about a dozen modelers up here personally, half of which model US prototype, the other half OZ prototype. Now I know I represent a speck of dust on an elephants ar**e, but if 50% of the modelers I KNOW model US in Grafton, I would say that a good more than a few people Australia wide model US as well !
I know it's just a guess and I have no hard facts to base my assumption on, maybe having a look at some of our LHS websites and a certain online auction site's local version would prove me wrong, NOT !
Hope this thread doesn't get locked by the time the horse & cart picks up my reply and takes it to " the big smoke " to have it posted ALL THE WAY TO THE USA !!!
Cheers,
Warren