...."Add this..."Add that"
Nope. I bought the Chief and that is all there it is. There is upgrade path availible to radio control and eventually signalling based on the B&O. But those upgrades are not necessary and are simply a enjoyable pursuit when the time is right.
Eventually one of the computers will be tied in and who knows>? 5 years from now Digitrax will be obselete and we would run the railroad off the PC.
I tend to buy the beef and taters at the max dollars I can find one time. None of this "add this" or "add that" nickely and diming,... no sir.
Walleye,I don't think you are as familiar with Digitrax products as you may think. Digitrax removed no programming support from the Zephyr that is built into its high-end model just to "encourage" you to upgrade. I don't know where you got that idea but you are mistaken. Digitrax doesn't have any extra programming support built into the Chief system (which I've been using at my club since 1999), nor their DT400 throttles or anything else they make. "Bit-fiddling" (or changing the CV's by programming the digital number into it) looks almost the same as on the Zephyr as with the Chief, except with a DT400 instead. You access the CV number, then change it's value.
There's no "marketing ploy" for you to "resent" (and people wonder why Digitrax users are defensive? Jeez...and who could have guessed that it'd be another NCE user wacking Digitrax?). Digitrax doesn't have any programming interface other than with each different kind of throttle that can access programming (DT100, DT200, UT2, DT300, DT400, DCS50).
If you want a slick DCC programming interface, connect your computer to your layout and run JMRI (it's free). FYI: The Zephyr is over 5 years old (Fall of '02), and the PowerCab is about 2 years old (Jan. '06).
BTW, you want to be specific with what you need that the Z doesn't provide? One thing I would agree with you without reservation is the walkaround nature of the PowerCab vs. the console-based Zephyr. But that's it.
Paul A. Cutler III************Weather Or No Go New Haven************
Walleye wrote:I'm a retired systems programmer and software engineer with 30-some years experience developing military systems. Some months ago, I bought both a Digitrax Zephyr and NCE PowerCab because I couldn't tell from my reading which I would like better. I thought I would favor the Digitrax if only because of its big "prototypy" (That's a word?) speed and reversing controls. Now I use the Zephyr for break-in runs on a loop track and NEVER for programming. I can see no reason why I should have to bit-fiddle when there is a computer "under the hood" which can do it for me. ... The PowerCab is intuitive (That's a subjective judgement.) and simple to program with. By comparison, programming with the Zephyr is strictly in the "hobbyist" category: no programming motor CVs by name, no programming CV29 by named bits. In 2007, this is like making fire by rubbing two sticks. As a bonus, the PowerCab also provides precise low-speed control for yard operations - and I happen to model the IHB's Norpaul yard.In fairness, I think the Digitrax is much better as a transitional system, for someone who is converting an existing moderate-sized layout to DCC. It will run a DC locomotive and allows two DC controllers to be used as throttles. So if you had a working DC 2-cab layout to convert, you could support 3 operators right out of the box and continue to get some use out of your DC locos. The PowerCab doesn't offer either of these features. ... While the PowerCab gives me everything my small layout needs in a single package. (And those extra dollars can go for other stuff for the layout....)
I'm a retired systems programmer and software engineer with 30-some years experience developing military systems. Some months ago, I bought both a Digitrax Zephyr and NCE PowerCab because I couldn't tell from my reading which I would like better. I thought I would favor the Digitrax if only because of its big "prototypy" (That's a word?) speed and reversing controls. Now I use the Zephyr for break-in runs on a loop track and NEVER for programming. I can see no reason why I should have to bit-fiddle when there is a computer "under the hood" which can do it for me. ... The PowerCab is intuitive (That's a subjective judgement.) and simple to program with. By comparison, programming with the Zephyr is strictly in the "hobbyist" category: no programming motor CVs by name, no programming CV29 by named bits. In 2007, this is like making fire by rubbing two sticks. As a bonus, the PowerCab also provides precise low-speed control for yard operations - and I happen to model the IHB's Norpaul yard.
In fairness, I think the Digitrax is much better as a transitional system, for someone who is converting an existing moderate-sized layout to DCC. It will run a DC locomotive and allows two DC controllers to be used as throttles. So if you had a working DC 2-cab layout to convert, you could support 3 operators right out of the box and continue to get some use out of your DC locos. The PowerCab doesn't offer either of these features. ... While the PowerCab gives me everything my small layout needs in a single package. (And those extra dollars can go for other stuff for the layout....)
Walleye:
As a software developer also with over 30 years of experience in the field, and a professional internet developer since 1993, I find your comparison of the Digitrax Zephyr versus the NCE PowerCab agrees with my findings.
As a software development professional who manages internet developers in my day job, I am constantly critiquing user interface designs for web pages. When I put on my user interface critiquing hat and compare the Digitrax Zephyr to the NCE PowerCab, the NCE system comes out with the more friendly user interface.
Sure you can learn the Zephyr's user interface, and even get very good at using it. But it will take several passes through the manual to get there, where as a quick peruse of the NCE manual is often enough to get up to speed and be very productive.
One of the areas where the Digitrax system is aging quickly is how they do consisting. Digitrax defaults to command station consisting, while the NCE system defaults to decoder-based consisting, although NCE allows you to select a command station consist as an alternative on-the-fly. Digitrax doesn't allow the either/or choice like NCE does -- you have to go make a config change in the command station -- you get either command station consisting or decoder-based consisting, but not both at the same time.
Those in-the-know with a Digitrax system will quickly respond that you can program CV19 directly with Digitrax, so you still get both types of consists. True enough, but NCE's automatic double-ended consists make powerful and complex consisting into a 60-second exercise and I never have to remember arcane things like the need to add 128 to the CV19 consist number in order to get a unit to run in reverse.
As a computer professional, I can fiddle bits and do hexadecimal math in my head with the best of the computer geeks. But I also know the field well enough to know I should not have to do that, so why burn the mental energy when I don't have to? NCE let's me come home and run trains without having to be reminded that I need to know something about programming bit values to run my trains.
As you mention, the Zephyr does have some cool extras, like address zero running of a straight DC loco and the ability to use regular power packs as extra throttles, so it can be a tough call if those things matter greatly to you.
But for me, a powerful and intuitive interface for the day-to-day things is more important to my pleasure from the hobby than these other extras, so that's why I prefer the NCE system.
Joe Fugate Modeling the 1980s SP Siskiyou Line in southern Oregon
jfugate,Why would you have to program bit values to run a train at all? Why not just use Universal Consisting (command station based consisting) while running a Digitrax system (the default Digitrax mode)?
So far, the only advantages in Advanced Consisting (decoder based consisting) I've heard about is that one can run a consist from any loco, that one can take an loco set from one layout to the next without reconsisting them, and certain sound and lighting effects can be controlled from one address but for all locos in the consist. Since these are minor advantages at best (and can even be annoying), what's the big deal?
Paul A. Cutler III************Weathe Or No Go New Haven************P.S. Yet another anti-Digitrax posting by an NCE user. What a suprise.
I'm going here...
...Boy O' Boy...
This is turning into the old Chevy, Dodge, Ford debate.
IMO:
Classic/Muscle Cars = Chevy
Trucks = Dodge
Found On Road Dead = Ford.........
Forget those little short winded trucks. CATS run all day and still have fuel for tomorrow.
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Why are Digitrax owners defensive?? Maybe it because they, Digitrax owners, feel a need to justify why they chose their system when people, including those that are researching DCC and other system users, ask questions about the various Digitrax systems. Paul3, your post makes the case as to why Digitrax owners are defensive - poor manuals, both system and decoder, throttles, simplex radio, etc. When I was researching and picking a DCC system almost 10 years ago those were significant issues. The manuals may have been improved in the past few years, but in 1997 they were not that good. The DT400, IIRC, had not been introduced; hexadecimal was required when progrmaming decoders and system CVs. At the time a poor user interface. TA462's post is curious too. He explained that after a few visits to a Digitrax users home to explain how to use they're system they are able to understand it and use. He's done this more than once. A nice gesture to help people out, but why, if the manuals are so clear and easy to understand are house calls needed. An interesting explanation for a system that people say isn't really that difficult to master or understand. Does someone make a house call to explain how to use your new DVD player, TV, car, computer, etc? No, the manufacturer provides a manual that is supposed to explain how to hook it up, turn it on and use the features provided with it. No cheat sheets to explain it. Could part of the reason that Digitrax owners are more defensive is that they suffer from buyer's remorse?
I'll agree that you seldom hear about Digitrax users criticizing NCE, except for the few adamant Digitrax defenders on this forum. One should stop and consider why you don't hear more D users criticizing NCE? My experience has been that its because once a D user experiences the NCE system they see how much simpler it is to use that is not much to criticize. As an earlier poster stated, they currently have a Digitrax system, but would consider switching to NCE when they start to build a new layout. You'll definately hear about more D users switching to NCE or something else than vice versa.
There is one common complaint about NCE, and that has to do with the range of their radio system. It is an issue. The range is less than Digitrax, but that has more to do with it being a duplex system and the FCC power restrictions than design.
Back when I was picking a system, I asked a lot of people about why they picked the system they had. Interestingly enough, almost all of them were Digitrax owners; I could find very few NCE owners. Almost all of them stated the same two reasons why they picked Digitrax: 1) It was what my LHS sold, and 2) I got they gave me a really good price on it. Most said they would have considered NCE if their LHS carried it and if they had a chance to try it out first, but because of the cash investment involved didn't want to purchase something sight unseen. That speaks more to the marketing strategy differences between the 2 companies back then.
Are Digitrax owners defensive, or just paranoid that everyone is picking on them? If you made you choice and are satisfied with, why does it make any difference when someone criticizes your system, you're satisfied. But if you're not really satisified and someone criticizes your choice, you more than likely will want to defend it as a way of justifying the choice to yourself. Bottom line is that you picked the system you believed best suited your requirements, if you're happy with there should be no reason to defend your choice.
There is nothing constructive to the hobby about who is defensive and pointing fingers. If we stick to discussing the features and the facts, that is alot more helpful to anyone who is working with a system or thinking about buying one.
The discussion offered by Joe Fugate is a heck of alot more useful and helpful than some of the other posts just fueling a useless fire. Stick to the meat!
Rio Grande. The Action Road - Focus 1977-1983
davidmbedard wrote: This is where I have an issue with the OP of this thread.....1. It is labled as anti-Digitrax...2. His 'story' doesnt hold water.....3. His first post on these forums was an attempt to start a flame war....If this was Joe F or someone else talking about an issue with the Zephyr, then it would be another story. David B
This is where I have an issue with the OP of this thread.....
1. It is labled as anti-Digitrax...
2. His 'story' doesnt hold water.....
3. His first post on these forums was an attempt to start a flame war....
If this was Joe F or someone else talking about an issue with the Zephyr, then it would be another story.
David B
I hear what you're saying David, and with some of the previous issues we've had on the forum I can understand your skepticism about the OP of the thread. I guess I took his initial post as more along the lines of 'Did anyone else have these problems or was mine an isolated case?' than trying to start a flame war. I'm not so quick to dismiss someone's inquiry just because its his first post. As far as getting a defective product, it does happen, with all manufacturers. I had a good friend who got his UR91, hooked it up and had nothing. He even had a beta tester for Digitrax come over and check out the installation. Turns out that there was a bad solder joint on the board. Digitrax happily exchange the defective part, just like they did for the OP. In the OP's defense he has only spoken highly of the customer support/service from Digitrax and their willingness to exchange things, so that part hasn't really been anti-Digitrax.
davidmbedard wrote:This is where I have an issue with the OP of this thread.....1. It is labled as anti-Digitrax...2. His 'story' doesnt hold water.....3. His first post on these forums was an attempt to start a flame war....David B
I agree with David ... getting 4 different versions of the same DCC system from any manufacturer and all of them don't work in some form or fashion is pretty extreme -- to the point of being unbelievable.
If the story is true, it's absolutely NOT typical, and is so far out on the edge that the story can be basically disregarded -- if it has happened, then the odds are it won't be repeated if you buy a Zephyr. In my mind the issue when chosing a DCC system comes down to the features you want -- not which system manufacturer makes unreliable junk. ALL the systems are well made, so unreliability should not be much of a consideration.
I suspect every DCC system has some user out there who could tell some horror story about how the first system they got was bad, and the second try wasn't much better.
Digitrax users
I,m sorry i hurt anyones feeling. I found my problems unbelievable too.Thats why i posted the question. I was trained as E tech. years ago and repaired some the largest Long range radar at the time. Following a schematic, trouble shooting system, or checking for a short is no problem. I was just looking for some insight as to if anyone else had problem.
Yankee Flyer
It sounds like we are back to our conciliatory approach to discussing the topic thanks to the last four or so posters. Thanks to all of you for keeping this civil. Reads a lot better.
Sooooo....what about this big announcement that NCE (or is it Digitrax) was saying is coming in the New Year? Mabye Digitrax will have a new system with a manual written by someone who sells tires or who drives a truck for a living.*
*I use Digitrax, so I can swipe at my own manufacturer. Actually, when I took the time to look for solutions, they were mostly there, and written clearly.
yankee flyer wrote: Digitrax users I,m sorry i hurt anyones feeling. I found my problems unbelievable too.Thats why i posted the question. I was trained as E tech. years ago and repaired some the largest Long range radar at the time. Following a schematic, trouble shooting system, or checking for a short is no problem. I was just looking for some insight as to if anyone else had problem.Yankee Flyer
Yankee:
Your experience is absolutely NOT typical, and in fact is so atypical I suspect no one else will ever have it happen to them again.
You're the "lucky" one who had it happen and it's not likely again to be repeated for a long time by any manufacturer!
I sell videos and we've had maybe one person in 4 years of video sales where no matter what disk we sent him, it would NOT play. After four tries of sending various versions of the disk on different media, we finally gave up and refunded his money.
It does happen once in a blue moon, but it is NOT at all typical. I would not hold your experiences AGAINST Digitrax in any way -- and in fact, I would applaud them at their persistance in trying to get you something that WORKED!
Paul3 wrote:jfugate,Why would you have to program bit values to run a train at all? Why not just use Universal Consisting (command station based consisting) while running a Digitrax system (the default Digitrax mode)?So far, the only advantages in Advanced Consisting (decoder based consisting) I've heard about is that one can run a consist from any loco, that one can take an loco set from one layout to the next without reconsisting them, and certain sound and lighting effects can be controlled from one address but for all locos in the consist. Since these are minor advantages at best (and can even be annoying), what's the big deal?Paul A. Cutler IIIP.S. Yet another anti-Digitrax posting by an NCE user. What a suprise.
Why would you have to program bit values to run a train at all? Why not just use Universal Consisting (command station based consisting) while running a Digitrax system (the default Digitrax mode)?
Paul A. Cutler IIIP.S. Yet another anti-Digitrax posting by an NCE user. What a suprise.
Paul:
The example of consisting is just one of many areas where I have issue with the Digitrax user interface, so singling out this issue as not a big deal is correct if it was the only issue I have -- but it's merely an illustration.
Since I do user interface work for a living, the whole approach of Digitrax's user interface grates on my professional sensibilities -- but if you or any other Digitrax user is happy with the system and you don't find the UI hard to use, then user interface is not a big issue with you -- so enjoy your system!
But every DCC system has its weaknesses and Digitrax's weakness is its UI, which I am pointing out for people where having the most user-friendly UI does matter. The other systems each have their own weaknesses, and each of us has to determine which weaknesses bother us the most -- or which strengths we prefer, such that we're willing to overlook the system's shortcomings.
jfugate wrote: yankee flyer wrote: Digitrax users I,m sorry i hurt anyones feeling. I found my problems unbelievable too.Thats why i posted the question. I was trained as E tech. years ago and repaired some the largest Long range radar at the time. Following a schematic, trouble shooting system, or checking for a short is no problem. I was just looking for some insight as to if anyone else had problem.Yankee FlyerYour experience is absolutely NOT typical, and in fact is so atypical I suspect no one else will ever have it happen to them again.You're the "lucky" one who had it happen and it's not likely again to be repeated for a long time by any manufacturer!I sell videos and we've had maybe one person in 4 years of video sales where no matter what disk we sent him, it would NOT play. After four tries of sending various versions of the disk on different media, we finally gave up and refunded his money.It does happen once in a blue moon, but it is NOT at all typical. I would not hold your experiences AGAINST Digitrax in any way -- and in fact, I would applaud them at their persistance in trying to get you something that WORKED!
I'm glad to hear about someone else with this kind of luck. I'm usually the one this type of thing happens to. (NOT talking about Digitrax stuff here)
I have the Digitrax 8 amp radio Chief and have had no problems with it until this week. One of my UP5 loconet panel mounts burned up which caused a real bad short in the track. i just sent it back to digitrax for repair yesterday and hope they treat me right since it wasn't even a year old as of yet.
The other problem was that the command station was overheating. I solved that by placing a fan behind the unit to help dissapate the heat it created. I never had an overheating problem before but now that it's winter time and i run a space heater in the train room I reckon that the room was a bit warmer than normal running the space heater instead of the air conditioner in the summer time. anyway, the fan solved that problem. chuck
As I mentioned in my first post, I have both a Zephyr and a PowerCab, which I purchased at the same time. When I got them, I had a locomotive with an intermittent short in the motor. This produced a sudden, brief high current demand. The PowerCab would limit the current draw and ride through the intermittent. But the Zephyr would go into an unresponsive "safe mode" which would not reset even when all loads were removed and power was cycled briefly. It could only be cleared by disconnecting the DC power for about a full minute. The first time this happened, I thought I had fried the Zephyr, until I stumbled onto how to reset it.
Yankee Flyer, could this have been similar to what you encountered?
I'd like to hear from the hardware experts regarding the relative merits of the 2 responses to a current overload.
This is my last post on the subject. After i returned the D trax. the NCE rep. said that D trax does not accept the surg of the sound chip as well. At the time i only had the little SW8 P2K, 4-8-2 spectrum and a tiny light on the flat car. The powercab has never flinched with four locos.
Walleye wrote:As I mentioned in my first post, I have both a Zephyr and a PowerCab, which I purchased at the same time. When I got them, I had a locomotive with an intermittent short in the motor. This produced a sudden, brief high current demand. The PowerCab would limit the current draw and ride through the intermittent. But the Zephyr would go into an unresponsive "safe mode" which would not reset even when all loads were removed and power was cycled briefly. It could only be cleared by disconnecting the DC power for about a full minute. The first time this happened, I thought I had fried the Zephyr, until I stumbled onto how to reset it.Yankee Flyer, could this have been similar to what you encountered?I'd like to hear from the hardware experts regarding the relative merits of the 2 responses to a current overload.
Tony's Trains conducted a series of tests with high current inrush sound locos and DCC boosters (Lenz, NCE, and Digitrax) and found the Digitrax power boosters to be the most sensitive to high current issues and to go down the most easily, thereby needing a hard reset (power cycle for more than 60 seconds) to restore. This seems consistant with your findings.
Fortunately, there are ways around the problem, as I describe in my Short Management video clip here, and which Marcus Ammann describes here. You need to set the Digitrax short system response to half a second and then the 1156 lightbulb trick solves the current overload issue with a Digitrax system.
My friend Charlie Comstock uses Digitrax and he was going bald pulling his hair out over this issue until he installed the 1156 bulbs.
I think with the 1156 bulbs (or Tony's Power Shields) doing short management, the NCE and Digitrax booster behavior will be comparable, and quite tolerable compared to a layout without such short management installed.
selector wrote:I start up 11 sound-equipped locos at one time with my 5 amp DB 150 without a hiccup. Never fails.
Depends on the brand of sound decoder ... what brand of decoder are these 11 locos? QSI/Brodway Limited seem to have the most intial high current demands, so my guess is they're not all these sound decoders. What, maybe SoundTraxx DSD or DSX decoders?
The lack of keep alive capacitors on the SoundTraxx decoders means their start up current demands are not much greater than normal decoders.
This is where I have an issue with the OP of this thread.....1. It is labled as anti-Digitrax..
1. It is labled as anti-Digitrax..
A topic labeled Digitrax Trouble, does not an anti-Digitrax topic make. Lets be reasonable here. If the guy had some real troubles, and just talked about them prompting readers to discuess the problems... how does this make it anti digitrax? I don't see it. Rather people sensitizied by past arguments have turned the topic that way unnecessarily. If people can just resist going down that dark path, and keep to the issues objectively, we will all get a breath of fresh air.
Thank you Joe for steering the discussion back to objectivity and to those who have done likewise. I think I have learned some usefult things! :)
Joe, at the moment I have 2 Tsunami, one Loksound 3.5, and the rest (8) are QSI in assorted locos, at least three with dual speakers. So does the Loksound.
I just wanted to point out that the inrush problem should be placed into context, and you have helped to do that by asking your question and pointing out that...it depends. Thank-you, Joe.
FWIW, I don't think I would be doing the hobby a great service by defending a product that has fallen well behind the curve. I have come to accept that my SEB is aptly described, even though it does everything I need it to do. My hope is that Digitrax does something overt, and soon, to allay the bad press that seems to keep popping up here and there. They are turning some folks, potential buyers and supporters, away for one reason or another, and I would like it very much if they would do something positive to silence their critics.
You have also been a good steward by posting your excellent analytical posts and clinics...we owe you a lot here, all of us.
-Crandell
Walleye
Now we are getting somewere. The first D trax smoked, a couple units could have had the shut down problem, so when you turn the track off and come back to try again it works? I believe the last one went bezerk and would not do any thing right. each time i would take the Zephyr to the club track and try it there.
I am going to ask another question but i suppose i should do that on general discussioin.
Classic train mag. writer indicated that fluoresent lights fade the paint on anything on the layout.I have a contious stripe of two bulb lights. ??
Crandel,
I think you speak for me in your thoughts! Thanks! I agree, I've always found Joe Fugates professional and helpful posts to be a major contribution here. Keep up the good work Joe!
(Doesn't hurt that he is a fellow SP fan either! ;) - I just picked up my first Kodachrome SD45T-2 btw! got it used - its a beauty but needs hand rails remounted and the roof got really dusty by the previous owner)
jfugate wrote:...One of the areas where the Digitrax system is aging quickly is how they do consisting. Digitrax defaults to command station consisting, while the NCE system defaults to decoder-based consisting, although NCE allows you to select a command station consist as an alternative on-the-fly. Digitrax doesn't allow the either/or choice like NCE does -- you have to go make a config change in the command station -- you get either command station consisting or decoder-based consisting, but not both at the same time.Those in-the-know with a Digitrax system will quickly respond that you can program CV19 directly with Digitrax, so you still get both types of consists. True enough, but NCE's automatic double-ended consists make powerful and complex consisting into a 60-second exercise and I never have to remember arcane things like the need to add 128 to the CV19 consist number in order to get a unit to run in reverse....
when i bought my dcc system i bought the same system my friend had and he had no problems.... i bought a superchief 8 amp another friend has the lenz 100 he is very happy with it..no problems
the superchief is exactly what i wanted it allows me to run lots of trains and sound locos it can handle lots of locos 16 locos no problem
i can now put the loco onto the program track and have it running in a matter of seconds multi unit consists no problem train pulls on with 3 locos add 2 more to consist drive away no problems
when i first read the manuals i studied them for 2 x weeks before using the system i made notes and found it so easy
the only problem i have had was when the area i live in didnot get the full voltage supply to the homes due to tropical storm we have 240 volts i run my digitrax on a 240 v / 15v transformer i get 14.2 volts when the storm came i had 11.4 volts this gave me a problem with the sound locos not digitrax fault however i believe the reason he is having problems could be because of his power supply perhaps a power surge
i am not interested in doing modifications or adding special features to my system i keep it simple and enjoy my digitrax wish i had bought it years ago... peter
TA462 wrote:The only person here that actually has a bit of experience with all DCC systems is Joe Fugate and to be honest us Digitrax users can read between the lines and understand he is just another Digitrax basher. I don't care if he has a big layout or not, I don't care if he writes articles or makes DVD's, he doesn't like Digitrax and in his on subtle way he lets everyone know it. Remember what Joe types is his own opinion, its only based on his experience.
In my DCC clinics I always start out with my disclaimer:
"What I'm about to share is based on my opinion, and you may disagree with it. No problem, you're entitled to your opinion. If you think I'm missing something, go ahead and come up after the clinic and tell me about it -- maybe I'll learn something new.
"But keep in mind what I share is based on my experience and it has worked for me."
So TA, I couldn't agree more as to the basic point of your comments.
However, I do feel labeling any of us who try to point out the weaknesses of a DCC system you may own as a "just another basher" of your system is somewhat unfair and feels a little like name calling. I try to also point out Digitrax's strengths (LocoNet, transponding, great marketing, most systems sold, etc) as well as their weaknesses and remain balanced across the collection of my posts on this forum.
At no time are my posts intended to get personal or bash anyone for having chosen Digitrax. Like all the DCC systems, Digitrax is well-built and should give you many years of great service.
TA462 wrote: most Digitrax bashers are ....old dudes with little schooling. Thats my opinion and nobody can change it. Sometimes it is hard to teach an old dog new tricks.
most Digitrax bashers are ....old dudes with little schooling. Thats my opinion and nobody can change it. Sometimes it is hard to teach an old dog new tricks.
TA, you young whippersnappers can continue to do everything the hard way if you like. Meanwhile, us old dudes will use the wisdom and experience of age and find the easiest way.
BTW, my PhD is in physical chemistry. What's yours in?