Sawyer Berry
Clemson University c/o 2018
Building a protolanced industrial park layout
Say ive been doing some thinking lately (*** thats a dangerous thing to do), ive got a whole heap of UP motive power that isn't what i really want on a Southern pacific layout, so i though what if i base the layout fictiously (sp?) on a SP-UP merger, where UP went broke instead vice versa?
what kind of detail would have to be put on the locomotives and rolling stock?
obviously patches over the numbers like UP have but what colours would be appropiate? scarlet grey and white numbers
any ideas would be appreciated
Thanks
The idea has merit. Although, the SP probably wouldn'tve bothered repainting the whole engine. just grey paint over the old road name and number, with SP written over the top...
Are you doing the 50's transition era? If so, it would be cool to see FEF-2/3 Northerns in SP colors.
-Crewman
That would be a great idea! Grey with white numbers would fit perfect. I would also patch out the shield up front with a red/scarlet square and put a white "SP" over it. Use your creativity to make some interseting patches.
Here's an updated photo of my locomotive roster.
BTW: Welcome crewman!
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Crewman1 wrote: The idea has merit. Although, the SP probably wouldn'tve bothered repainting the whole engine. just grey paint over the old road name and number, with SP written over the top...Are you doing the 50's transition era? If so, it would be cool to see FEF-2/3 Northerns in SP colors. -Crewman
thats the great thing about it i don't have to do too much
but the period is the late 80's to early 90's but that dosen't mean i could do a merger in the transition era, can anyone say SP bigboy's
I got fed up with not having a clear spot to build an actual layout, so on a whim last night I decided I'd make a diorama. I took a few pictures of what I've got so far- mainly the track plan. it's 1 foot by just over 4 feet, and the sidings hold 1-2 cars each.
Overview with track names and industries
The right half...
...and the left half.
The Indiana Southern has been replanned to include a twice-around design.
Alex
I have to agree with Alex Sawyer, take out a few of the industrial sidings. Unless you plan to make it a big city.
Wikious, do you have room to add a run around. I'm just wondering because my layout didn't have a run around and it wasn't very convenient.
Wikious: How'd you make that SD20? Is it an Atlas, Athearn (don't look like it), or a proto.
Sawyer: Jut plan the mailine first, then add sidings, yards and passing track in one at a time.
Here's a 4x8 plan I did in HO using my method:
Vincent
Wants: 1. high-quality, sound equipped, SD40-2s, C636s, C30-7s, and F-units in BN. As for ones that don't cost an arm and a leg, that's out of the question....
2. An end to the limited-production and other crap that makes models harder to get and more expensive.
NS2591 wrote:I guess I'll bite. I'm Jay. I model BNSF and NS in N scale, between 1999 and 2003. I'll be 17 in September. I'm on the Verge of switching to modeling DRGW Narrow Gauge in 1940'sish. and I'll be Volunteering at the Local tourist line.
Packer wrote: Wikious: How'd you make that SD20? Is it an Atlas, Athearn (don't look like it), or a proto.
I don't think that's an SD20. A SD20 has 3 radatior fans. It looks more to me like an Athearn BB chopped GP7/9.
I looked closer, yeah it's a Geep, probably an athearn.
As of now no new equipment and still no layout. I'm still hounding Ebay for some locos I really want, but am selling off some stuff I don't need anymore. I'm probably getting rid of that Atlas GP40 I got at the show, I saw what those older ones can go for on ebay.
Well, here's a new layout plan. looks more like the red rock northern now. bTW, I can't really add any buildings with my planning software, but there will be 2 towns, sorta like on the Red rock northern. BTW, since the main crosses, it can act like the Indiana Southern crosses another RR.
WCfan wrote: Packer wrote: Wikious: How'd you make that SD20? Is it an Atlas, Athearn (don't look like it), or a proto.I don't think that's an SD20. A SD20 has 3 radatior fans. It looks more to me like an Athearn BB chopped GP7/9.
You're the closest, it's a chopped Athearn GP7. I made a thread about it a few months back.
WCfan wrote:Looks like you have alot of Work on your hands! I need to find a painter for my WIN SD40/40-2. well I still need to buy one....lol.
How about the Wisconsin, Illinios, & Southern instead of the WIN? That's what my indiana Southern will connect with.
If your talking about names with a ring, listen to this. I used to belong to a club near Janesville, WI, who called themselves the "Wis-Ill Club" (pronounced whistle) because the modular layout represented railways in the southern Wisconsin-north Illinois area.
Just to bring it about, anybody here work in On30 or other narrow gauges? Narrow-midedness isn't always a bad thing...
Just so you guys know, the name's Chris.
-a.k.a. Crewman
Oh, you mean the one from Backwoods miniatures? Yeah, I like that one too, but it's a tad big for any layout I'm going to build...
Lucky...I have one club in my area (I am a member) but they model standard gauge HO....I do standard gauge also, but my preference is all things narrow....
I had an idea for something similar to the Garret using a 2-6-6-2 chassis and making a camleback loco out of it. Good for mining ops when you're pushing long strings of cars...
Packersnumber1 wrote: WCfan wrote:Looks like you have alot of Work on your hands! I need to find a painter for my WIN SD40/40-2. well I still need to buy one....lol.How about the Wisconsin, Illinios, & Southern instead of the WIN? That's what my indiana Southern will connect with.
Where does the Indiana Southern Connect to? The Wisconsin Illinois and Northern connects in Milwaukee and runs Trackage rights on the CP's/SOOs Muskego yard into Chicago to the IMW interchange. This is where they get cars to and from Chicago. (Not sure which) If that's not far enough south for you, you always have the Illinois Minnesota and Western (IMW). I have no plan for trackage there. The IMW was just the parent company for the WIN.
Alex, it wasn't intentional that I did WIN. I Wanted the RR to run into Wisconsin, and usually most small reginals connect in Chicago. I also wanted it to go north, because that is where I'm basing my WC layout. So it just worked out that way.
Tyler, no worries about this map taking over any trackage.
This is the Map with Explanation.
South Main Line, Milwaukee-Green Bay. Back in 95, WC wanted to abandoned the Plymouth sub (Milwaukee-Green Bay). The WIN would have up graded trackage and fixed the Lift Bridge in GB. They Run TOFC form Milwaukee-GB.
North Main Line, Green Bay-Argonne.
After going over the GB lift bridge, the line would proceed to Duck Creek. At Duck creek, the WIN would run up to North GB. The WIN had to build trackage from Duck Creek to North GB in 2000. From north GB we run up to Shawano. The WC abandoned this around 1995. At Shawano the track split off to go North on the old MILW to Argonne. The WC also abandoned this around 1995-96 once they bought the CNW to Powers. From Shawano we head north to Argonne where the main line Stops.
New London Sub, Duck Creek-New London.
If you look on the map, we have a line that goes to the south west and ends in some sort of "T intersection" at a town. This was originally the CNW's Duck Creek Sub. The WIN bought this before the WC abandoned it.
Manawa Sub, Neenah-Manawa. This line was the Former GBW, and south of NL was the CNW to Neenah.
Wausau Sub, Shawano-Wausau. This line a former CNW line. WIN bought this before the WC abandoned it.
So really, the WIN helped trackage in these areas.
Almost for got, more WIN locomotives!
Well a sad day has come, the WIN retired there 3 SD45s. You could usually see those 3 (4500, 4504-4505) could usually be seen dragging the the CAM1 (Chicago-Argonne Manifest it's called one because the power and crew don't take it fully north. They stop at GB where the power and crew take the CAM2 from Argonne south the Chicago). To carry the bulk, WIN bought 5 tunnel motors. One SD40T-2, and 4 SD45T-2s! So the 20 cylinders haven't totally left the WIN. The SD45T-2s won't be numbered in the 45XX series. 4213-4216 will be the SD45T-2s. All tunnel motors will alos be clasaified as SD40-3s. This week all 4 got sent to the CN/WC shops in Fondy. So far the SD45T-2s haven't been repainted, but the SD40T-2 has.
painting soon to come
SD45T-2.
And a GP38.
Crewman1 wrote:If your talking about names with a ring, listen to this. I used to belong to a club near Janesville, WI, who called themselves the "Wis-Ill Club" (pronounced whistle) because the modular layout represented railways in the southern Wisconsin-north Illinois area. Just to bring it about, anybody here work in On30 or other narrow gauges? Narrow-midedness isn't always a bad thing...-Crewman
What was that club like? I'm right in that area and I've been dismayed over the apparent lack of model railroaders.
My brief history of the Indiana Southern Rwy:
Concivied in 1902, the indiana Southern Rwy. Connected Indianapolis, indiana, and Loiusville, Kentucky. It pushed its lines southward in Kentucky, and eastward into Ohio and Cincinatti. During WW1, the AAR assigned the Indiana Southern to take over an area in Ohio and Michigan, because the current RR running that stretch was not runing it satisfactorally, so the indiana southern nearly dbled its trackage. It kept that stretch after WW1. They bought the Tennese Northern RR during the Great Deppresion, connecting its Kentucky lines with Memphis and Nashville. It had pushed into Chicago during that time, then when the CNW RR went bankrupt (that's my story), they bought it's lines into Milwakuee and southward into Illinios, connecting with Springfield. They also got some of their AC4400CWs and some other 4- and 6-axle EMDs. In milwaukee, it's supposed to connect with the Wisconsin, illinios, and Southern. Of course, I can ditch that name. here's an indiana Southern Rwy. U25B, which they bought 150 of (bought small batches of EMD GP30-GP40 as the U25Bs started to get outdated). Of course, they also bought a good deal of SD35s, and then got some SD40-2s. They also had a good deal of GP9s and SD9s. So here's the U25B: