Illiterate ebay seller...

[bpickering]

Ebay exists only to collect fees, I am convinced that you are completely unsupported (or marginally so at best) if anything goes wrong.

[Anonymous]

Newer wrinkle for me, the Best Offer. Made offer with stipulations on item and s/h. Recvd 2 emails from eXxy, one said I won, one said I lost. Seller sent invoice ignoring stipulations of offer. I notified seller that I have no intention of completing transaction as the circumstances are suspect. Don

[jondrd]

 

 

 I'm sorry, but I have no patients with people that can't read or write now a days......

                                  Patience is a virtue.

 

 Jon

                                 

[grayfox1119]

Guys, this points out two things to me. I am not a user of EBay, but I am tempted to in the future. As such, I read these threads about EBAY to hear the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly experiences that some of you guys have had. With that said, Tracklayer had information that could help some novice users of EBAY. So lets end that end of the discussion.

Now as for "how" we both make our comments ( choice of words ) and how we "reply" to the thread originator, can we do a better job of presenting our point/s of view? Is it too hard for some of us? If we cannot do a better job at presenting our point/s of view, what are we saying about "ourselves"?

[mustanggt]

Ebay is good for some things (rare peices of rolling stock that are out of production, for example). But in my opinion, if you want to buy new items, look elsewhere.......(internet sellers or the LHS come to mind.

Okay, that might not pertain to the topic at hand, but that's what I think of ebay. Now, back to the topic.......I've won alot of stuff at good prices, and didn't overpay once. I'm not boasting, I just did my homework.......which explains why in five years of using Ebay I've only won or bought 30 items. The place is ripe with ripoffs, but for the good deals, you have to look hard (and research the item, of course).

Davo

[PA&ERR]

 

                                  Patience is a virtue.

 

 Jon

                                 

Yeah, I dated her sister once...

Hope! 

-George

 

[Tracklayer]

 

 

 I'm sorry, but I have no patients with people that can't read or write now a days......

                                  Patience is a virtue.

 

 Jon

                                 

Thank you jondrd. I stand corrected. I admit that I'm not perfect myself, but 99.99% of the time my spelling is right on the money. Why I used the wrong word in this case was mostly due to laziness... Tracklayer

[BRAKIE]

Guys, this points out two things to me. I am not a user of EBay, but I am tempted to in the future. As such, I read these threads about EBAY to hear the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly experiences that some of you guys have had. With that said, Tracklayer had information that could help some novice users of EBAY. So lets end that end of the discussion.

Now as for "how" we both make our comments ( choice of words ) and how we "reply" to the thread originator, can we do a better job of presenting our point/s of view? Is it too hard for some of us? If we cannot do a better job at presenting our point/s of view, what are we saying about "ourselves"?

 

Dick,This I know for a fact about e-bay..I had gotten some fairly good deals and then I notice bids started going up as well as the starting bid some starting bids was HIGHER then on line discount prices..I then stop bidding and watch the show on Athearn BB car kits.I watch in horror as some poor souls was paying double the going on line price including shipping..I have seen RTR Athearn engines cheaper on line then what they was going for through bidding on e bay and a lot of those "Buy it now" prices are not bargains.Also most on line shipping charges are cheaper then the e bay sellers.

My suggestion is to visit the better on line hobby shops for prices and observe e-bay and you will see as I did real deals are fair and few between.

[betamax]

functionally literate isn't listed on Ebay's terms of use policy

 

Well, it is kind of dumb to agree to a contract you can't read, or understand.

 

It can be assumed that by clicking "I Agree", you have read and understand the terms and conditions of the agreement.  If not, you have no business entering into a legal contract. 

[PA&ERR]

Personally I think anything that deals with Ebay, good or bad should be banned from this forum.  It always turns into a bashing thread and most of the time you only get one sided information. 

You may be right, Dave. Seems to be up there with Bergie's Axis of Evil - religion, politics and graffitti.

-George

[Anonymous]

 Tracklayer --- don't you just love these idiots who tell you to go somewhere else to post your postings ? I submitted one on MTH and Lionel compatability here and some jerk told me to go somewhere else on a different forum ! He said this was'nt an O guage Lionel forum --- I thought O guage was included in model railroading ! In fact it was the first model railroading that ever got anywhere in the world . That reply you received from that seller was bull . In fact I think lousey sellers should have their seller ID posted here ! Don't pay any attention to those types who think " THEY " own this forum . Maybe some should change their name on here to "FORUM GOD " --- they think they are .   

[Tracklayer]

functionally literate isn't listed on Ebay's terms of use policy

 

Well, it is kind of dumb to agree to a contract you can't read, or understand.

 

It can be assumed that by clicking "I Agree", you have read and understand the terms and conditions of the agreement.  If not, you have no business entering into a legal contract. 

I don't think you took the time to read the topic or any of the replies betamax, or you would have seen where I said that the listing for the car looked absolutely professional. It was only after I tried contacting the seller over and over again to pay him via money order that I got a nonpayment notice from ebay, then finally got a reply from the sellers relative explaining that the seller couldn't read, and that was the reason they didn't answer my e-mails. My question is if the seller was so illiterate, then how was he able to navigate around on ebay enough to report me for nonpayment ?. Now do you understand ?... Tracklayer

[Tracklayer]

 Tracklayer --- don't you just love these idiots who tell you to go somewhere else to post your postings ? I submitted one on MTH and Lionel compatability here and some jerk told me to go somewhere else on a different forum ! He said this was'nt an O guage Lionel forum --- I thought O guage was included in model railroading ! In fact it was the first model railroading that ever got anywhere in the world . That reply you received from that seller was bull . In fact I think lousey sellers should have their seller ID posted here ! Don't pay any attention to those types who think " THEY " own this forum . Maybe some should change their name on here to "FORUM GOD " --- they think they are .   

Thanks Just a Hobo. A lot of these people are just kids and teenagers, and they get their kicks using the forum to try and twist things in order to make other members look dumb and/or insult people. They're actually nothing less than trolls that try to cover it up so no one will know by posting something of value once in a while. I feel sorry for Bergie. He's really got a job sifting through all of this mess... I'm 43 years old, and go at everything in life with a serious attitude - that especially applies when I come onto the forum here. I respect the other members, try and be as helpful as I can and only snap back at people when they snap at me. If it ever gets to the point where I feel it's a no win situation, I'll just log off and walk away like other members have done. My model railroading was going on 20 years before this forum ever came along and can continue to go on without it!. As for the ebay problem. It's finally all been straightened out. I've sent the money order to the seller and will hopefully get my car in the next few days... I still say that if a seller can't read or write they have no business trying to auction items off on ebay!... Tracklayer

[Tracklayer]

Personally I think anything that deals with Ebay, good or bad should be banned from this forum.  It always turns into a bashing thread and most of the time you only get one sided information. 

I've seen members get into it over just talking about various brands of locomotives let alone ebay issues!... The fact is there are those that use this forum to attack members just for kicks, and are constantly looking for the opportunity to do so. If it were up to me, this forum would be a data base where you would log on, enter your questions and get your answers from a computer rather than have to deal with a bunch of immature trolls that like to pick fights and insult... Tracklayer

[grayfox1119]

BRAKIE: Thank you Larry, that advice is well taken, and I will certainly observe what you stated.

[AntonioFP45]

With that said, Tracklayer had information that could help some novice users of EBAY. So lets end that end of the discussion.

Now as for "how" we both make our comments ( choice of words ) and how we "reply" to the thread originator, can we do a better job of presenting our point/s of view? Is it too hard for some of us? If we cannot do a better job at presenting our point/s of view, what are we saying about "ourselves"?

Excellent point

IMHO, this is a train related topic.

But REGARDLESS whether one agrees or disagrees with the topic, what ever justifies spewing flaming torpedos against fellow modelers??  This does nothing but demean and degrade the person and the forum.  I was flamed on another ebay related thread as well which Bergie winded up deleting.  

It's understandable that some of us can become a bit terse when we see a thread that we feel shouldn't be posted, however, if a poster becomes irritated with a thread, WHY RESPOND TO IT?   Comments such as: 

This topic has been beaten to death already  OR  What has this got to do with trains?

What is saddening is that with flaming it is always:

Let's get ready to RUMBLEEEEEEEEEEE! It's "Model Railroaders vs. Model Railroaders".  

Winners: None 

Losers:  Everyone  

Guys, instead of hammering the poster, isn't it much easier just to overlook it, knowing that within a day or two it will drift on to the back pages?

Peace and a Happy New Year

 

[Anonymous]

What about buyers with buck fever?

A couple of weekends ago I purchased an AccuRail GN 40-foot express refer liveried in Omaha Orange and Pullman green. I paid $16 in my LHS.

I watched the very same car on eBay go for $37 last night.

That's just plain nuts.

Lynda

[dragenrider]

Personally I think anything that deals with Ebay, good or bad should be banned from this forum.  It always turns into a bashing thread and most of the time you only get one sided information. 

At the risk of illustrating your very point, I respectfully disagree.  Ebay is the most popular on-line hobby shop for the model railroader enthusiast.  It just happens to be in an auction format.  As Ebay is the favorite grazing area for many MR fans, it is only natural that it should be prominent in posts on the forum.  I agree, with this comes both the good and the bad.  Never the less, it is part of our hobby and as such does not deserve to be banished to the nether world of the forumless where there is weeping and wailing and over priced shipping.   

 

[Dave Vollmer]

What about buyers with buck fever?

A couple of weekends ago I purchased an AccuRail GN 40-foot express refer liveried in Omaha Orange and Pullman green. I paid $16 in my LHS.

I watched the very same car on eBay go for $37 last night.

That's just plain nuts.

Lynda

That's a good point.  I use eBay a lot, but not without first doing research.  If it's something that's long out of production and I have no hope of finding at the LHS or at an online store, I'll fight hard on eBay.  If it's something that all of the online discount hobby stores have online, I do a price check.  If the eBay price and shipping comes close to the online hobby store price, I just go with the hobby store.

Now, N scale Bachmann Spectrum 2-8-0s, for example, regularly move on eBay at from $40-60, whereas the cheapest I find them at the big online stores is about $85.  There eBay wins.

Of course, always check the seller's feedback as well.  As with everything else, research is the key to having a safe and productive time on eBay.

[Tracklayer]

Personally I think anything that deals with Ebay, good or bad should be banned from this forum.  It always turns into a bashing thread and most of the time you only get one sided information. 

At the risk of illustrating your very point, I respectfully disagree.  Ebay is the most popular on-line hobby shop for the model railroader enthusiast.  It just happens to be in an auction format.  As Ebay is the favorite grazing area for many MR fans, it is only natural that it should be prominent in posts on the forum.  I agree, with this comes both the good and the bad.  Never the less, it is part of our hobby and as such does not deserve to be banished to the nether world of the forumless where there is weeping and wailing and over priced shipping.   

 

Maybe we should have an Ebay only section?  It might be the most popular section, lol.

The problem is, you start an "ebay only" section and the next thing you know the entire forum will be devided into this or that only sections. Some people might like that, but personally I wouldn't... Model railroading in all of its forms are all a part of the same thing whether it be building a layout, installing DCC, bad ebay experiences, etc. If I'm wrong I apologize in advance. Tracklayer

[Pathfinder]

I do not mind e-bay experiences being posted, good, bad or otherwise.

What I found rather disturbing about the original poster was his ripping of an illiterate.  I work with some very smart people who are "functionally illiterate" and that does not make them any less a person than you or I or anyone else.  Please have some tolerance for all people, not just the ones who have managed to get to a level of education you feel is required.

Now I will get of my High Horse and it’s a long way down to fall  

[BRAKIE]

What about buyers with buck fever?

A couple of weekends ago I purchased an AccuRail GN 40-foot express refer liveried in Omaha Orange and Pullman green. I paid $16 in my LHS.

I watched the very same car on eBay go for $37 last night.

That's just plain nuts.

Lynda

Lynda,I have noticed that time and again and I just don't understand it unless it cause by bid wars or shill bidding.

[SteamFreak]

Since there's been some complaints about too many eBay threads cropping up too often, would there be enough interest for a single eBay topic on the forum where people could post their questions and experiences, good, bad, or indifferent? Or would the thread just go into forum free fall? We all seem to be in agreement that eBay has become a necessary evil in the hobby, so what do y'all think?

[Tracklayer]

I do not mind e-bay experiences being posted, good, bad or otherwise.

What I found rather disturbing about the original poster was his ripping of an illiterate.  I work with some very smart people who are "functionally illiterate" and that does not make them any less a person than you or I or anyone else.  Please have some tolerance for all people, not just the ones who have managed to get to a level of education you feel is required.

Now I will get of my High Horse and it’s a long way down to fall  

The reason I'm so hard on people that are illiterate is because my parents and teachers back in the dark ages (early 1970s) were extremely hard on me. I had a learning disorder, yet I was spanked, screamed at, threatened, sent off to summer school, etc until I learned what they wanted me to know. I think what scared me the most was being told that if I didn't learn to read and write that I would end up being homeless, filthy and have to eat rotten food out of dumpsters... I admit that I've worked with illiterate people in the past, and though they were dependable and honest individuals, when it came to filling out paper work, doing things on computer or reading articles out of the news paper I had to do it all for them while they made the same pay I did. I don't think that was fair at all... Do you?. Tracklayer

[coborn35]

 Tracklayer --- don't you just love these idiots who tell you to go somewhere else to post your postings ? I submitted one on MTH and Lionel compatability here and some jerk told me to go somewhere else on a different forum ! He said this was'nt an O guage Lionel forum --- I thought O guage was included in model railroading ! In fact it was the first model railroading that ever got anywhere in the world . That reply you received from that seller was bull . In fact I think lousey sellers should have their seller ID posted here ! Don't pay any attention to those types who think " THEY " own this forum . Maybe some should change their name on here to "FORUM GOD " --- they think they are .   

Thanks Just a Hobo. A lot of these people are just kids and teenagers, and they get their kicks using the forum to try and twist things in order to make other members look dumb and/or insult people. They're actually nothing less than trolls that try to cover it up so no one will know by posting something of value once in a while. I feel sorry for Bergie. He's really got a job sifting through all of this mess... I'm 43 years old, and go at everything in life with a serious attitude - that especially applies when I come onto the forum here. I respect the other members, try and be as helpful as I can and only snap back at people when they snap at me. If it ever gets to the point where I feel it's a no win situation, I'll just log off and walk away like other members have done. My model railroading was going on 20 years before this forum ever came along and can continue to go on without it!. As for the ebay problem. It's finally all been straightened out. I've sent the money order to the seller and will hopefully get my car in the next few days... I still say that if a seller can't read or write they have no business trying to auction items off on ebay!... Tracklayer

Actually not at all.

Most are middle to older aged men of which a certain number do nothing but **** and moan about how much they get screwed over on ebay and how the UP is bad for making people pay for something they own, or how a manufacterer *spelling* puts out too many Big Boys, or my favorite, how these forums are going to heck and Bergie should be here 24/7 to wait on them hand and feet. 

Most of the younger members of this forum are the ones who get fed up with this childish bickering.

But in the end, Ebay has its bad eggs, just like any society in the world. Take them with a grain of salt and do not group Ebay as a whole accordingly.

And if something is overpriced, PLEASE do us all a favor and note it to yourself but do not feel hte need to share it with us over and over again! ( to no one in particualr)