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Posted by ACY Tom on Friday, March 6, 2015 11:17 AM

Off TopicI think Andy's Gang was some time before the Wild Bill Hickock/Jingles days.  "Froggy", the magic frog, would appear out of a puff of smoke saying "Hiya, Hiya Kids!"  The camera then cut to what appeared to be stock footage of the audience:  All kids laughing their fool heads off.

I'm not 100% sure of my facts here.  I'm having a Brian Williams moment.

I guess you had to be there.

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Posted by jecorbett on Friday, March 6, 2015 12:28 PM

ACY

Off TopicI think Andy's Gang was some time before the Wild Bill Hickock/Jingles days.  "Froggy", the magic frog, would appear out of a puff of smoke saying "Hiya, Hiya Kids!"  The camera then cut to what appeared to be stock footage of the audience:  All kids laughing their fool heads off.

I'm not 100% sure of my facts here.  I'm having a Brian Williams moment.

I guess you had to be there.

Tom

 

We're both in danger of doing a Brian Williams here so I checked Wiki to see if I could validate my memories. The Adventures of Wild Bill Hickok ran in syndication from 1951 thru 1955 and then on CBS from 1955 thru 1958. Andy's Gang ran from from 1955 thru 1960. It was the successor to Smilin' Ed McConnell which Andy took over following McConnell's fatal heart attack in 1954. I can't find anything that indicates they played episode's of Wild Bill Hickok during Andy's Gang. I'm wondering if The Adventures of Wild Bill Hickok ran after Andy's gang on Saturday mornings and since Andy Divine was part of both shows, in my head I might have had the impression it was part of the same show.

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Posted by gregc on Saturday, March 7, 2015 6:24 AM

I've been re-reading Tony Koester's book on Realistic Operation. He suggests a simple approach on an oval layout by simply selecting cars based on odd/even car numbers.  But he later describes using car cards not specifying where to spot a car but its destination, which may be off the layout and requires a dispatcher to determine a route/interchange.

As his book title suggest, I believe Koester is focused on modeling railroad operations, including as many of the jobs on a railroad as possible.   He is not trying to bring a railroad to life by operating it, but building a railroad so that he and other operations modelers can operate one.   In other words, he is more of a model operator than a model railroader.

 

But operations at a the club layout I'm a member at is mostly running trains from one destination to another.   Waybill switching occurs infrequently and trains are as small as 2 unit RDCs to 85 car coal trains.   So even on a large layout, simply running trains can be enjoyable ... when there are enough people.

 

Unless a modeler already has a group of fellow modelers who help build and ultimately will help operate the layout,  I assume that almost all layouts are designed to operate solo by the modeler, even if there is a 2nd throttle.   But I am not suprised to read that most (but not all) of us don't operate our railroads using something similar to card cards and/or have a train schedule with trains running from staging onto or through the layout.

It appears that for many of us, our layouts only really "operate", however we define that, when we share them.

 

I think many of us find building the layout is more interesting because there are many different challenges  from benchwork, trackwork, wiring, electronics, scenery, structures, engine maintanance, weathering, ...  and we have a choice of which challenge to tackle each time.    Building is fun because it's not the same thing every day.

I think operating with others is inherently diverse.   And I realize each operating session is involves a different set of industries and cars to switch.   But I don't think a different set of switch moves is challenging enough for most of us.  

 

I appreciate the responses of those describing how they actually operate their railroads.  I think for many of us

  • solo operation would be more enjoyable if it changes over time by starting it before the layout is complete (as others have suggested) and expanding operation as the layout expands.

... but what happens when the layout is done?

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Posted by richhotrain on Saturday, March 7, 2015 6:30 AM

gregc

... but what happens when the layout is done?

Therein lies my problem.
 
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Posted by NP2626 on Saturday, March 7, 2015 6:41 AM
Truly for me, if I did not have something to build; or, something to wire, paint and weather, track to lay, etc. and had to rely on operating my layout as my enjoyment of the hobby, I would sell off all my model railroads stuff and use the money to find some other hobby to enjoy.

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Posted by dasBM2-6-0 on Saturday, March 7, 2015 7:16 AM

For me, a layout is NEVER "done".......

There is simply a "pause in forward progression".....!!;)

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Posted by jecorbett on Saturday, March 7, 2015 9:24 AM

NP2626
Truly for me, if I did not have something to build; or, something to wire, paint and weather, track to lay, etc. and had to rely on operating my layout as my enjoyment of the hobby, I would sell off all my model railroads stuff and use the money to find some other hobby to enjoy.
 

On that we are polar opposites. To me the most enjoyable part of the hobby is running trains whether full fledged operations or just running them from one end of the layout to the other. The stuff you mention is just a means to an end. If I had the financial resources, I would gladly hire someone to do what to me is the grunt work. Some parts of it such as scenery building is enjoyable but for the most part I find layout building to be tedious. If I could snap my fingers and have the layout I envision I would do so in an instant.

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Posted by MJ4562 on Saturday, March 7, 2015 11:45 AM

What does one do differently when designing a model railroad specifically for solo operation as opposed to multiple operators?  

Are there actually differences in design and track layout or strictly creature comforts?

Do certain modelling topics better lend themselves to solo operation?

Maybe these questions deserve a separate thread but I thought I would add here since they seem directly related to the original question.

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Posted by chatanuga on Saturday, March 7, 2015 12:08 PM

For me, I really don't have a choice but to operate solo.

None of my friends are into trains.  Sure, they like seeing my basement and watching the trains run whenever they do visit, which is rare, but when I start talking about operations, they've typically wanted to go back upstairs.

Whenever my family visits, they aren't really interested in operations, just seeing what I've been up to with the trains.  I also get nervous about my brother getting near the controls since he like to run trains like slot cars.

There are clubs around, but I don't have time for that between my job and trying to get my business going.

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Posted by gregc on Saturday, March 7, 2015 12:54 PM

MJ4562
What does one do differently when designing a model railroad specifically for solo operation as opposed to multiple operators?

as some have already said, aisle space is one consideration.   I would think having trackwork and wiring to allow more than one train to run at the same time are other considerations.

But my question was more about how to make operating the railroad by yourself interesting.

It appears that running trains is much more enjoyable when others people are either watching or helping to run trains.

 

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Posted by jecorbett on Sunday, March 8, 2015 9:04 AM

gregc
 
MJ4562
What does one do differently when designing a model railroad specifically for solo operation as opposed to multiple operators?

 

as some have already said, aisle space is one consideration.   I would think having trackwork and wiring to allow more than one train to run at the same time are other considerations.

But my question was more about how to make operating the railroad by yourself interesting.

It appears that running trains is much more enjoyable when others people are either watching or helping to run trains.

 

 

With DCC, the wiring is going to be pretty much the same regardless of the number of operators. What will change is the number of throttles. I operate solo on a double track mainline. I've mounted two wireless throttles on a small cutting board that had a slot in it that I can uset hold the board. I like to be able to operate two trains simulatenously and it is difficult to do if you have to keep toggling back and forth. Generally westbound trains operate on one throttle and eastbound trains on the other. I also have a tehthered throttle which I use at my claissification yard and engine terminal. The layout is large enough and has wide enough aisles to accomodate multiple operators but I have no plans for that.

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Posted by jmbjmb on Sunday, March 8, 2015 11:05 AM

MJ4562

What does one do differently when designing a model railroad specifically for solo operation as opposed to multiple operators?  

Are there actually differences in design and track layout or strictly creature comforts?

Do certain modelling topics better lend themselves to solo operation?

Maybe these questions deserve a separate thread but I thought I would add here since they seem directly related to the original question.

 
I think the answers to your questions, during the planning phase, also resolve the OP's original premise on operating solo.  Let's assume the builder plans ahead for solo ops, what would be the key considerations and how would they differ from team ops?
 
In general, unless there is an extensive automation system, solo ops means the operator can realistically operate one train at a time.  So, if multiple training moving is important, that implies either an extensive automation system or separate routes where trains can rack up the miles on one track while the operator works the other.  Or it will be sequance ops rather than continuous.
 
I think solo ops also leads to a smaller railroad.  Just because there will be less labor available.  This could manifest itself either as a physically smaller layout or a much simplier (and in ways more realistic) layout spread out much more between locations.  If the operator were interested in mainline ops, perhaps this lends itself more to a single location or stretch of line, with fewer locations for meets.  Almost as a railfan would see the railroad from a sequance of trains going by.  Bring in a train to the siding then operate the other train and so forth.
 
Or it supports a more laid back branch line local type operations where there is probably only a single train working at a time anyway.
 
Rather than a 24 hour, pack 'em all in ops session, it would be more focused on a single shift of a single crew.  So you're putting more emphasis on the individaul railroader doing their shift and less on the business of running a railroad.
 
Anyway my thoughts.
 
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Posted by BRAKIE on Sunday, March 8, 2015 11:43 AM

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Truly for me, if I did not have something to build; or, something to wire, paint and weather, track to lay, etc. and had to rely on operating my layout as my enjoyment of the hobby, I would sell off all my model railroads stuff and use the money to find some other hobby to enjoy.
 

If all I wanted out of this hobby is to build things I would sell my trains and build model ships or  NASCAR  models.

For me operation is the main key that has held my hobby interest over the past 60 years. I've spent a ton of money on models and building several ISLs over the years so,why not get a return out of my investment?

Why spend thousands of dollars on cars, locomotives,structures vehicles etc if  I don't use 'em?

 

 

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Posted by cmrproducts on Sunday, March 8, 2015 3:33 PM

BRAKIE

 

 
NP2626
Truly for me, if I did not have something to build; or, something to wire, paint and weather, track to lay, etc. and had to rely on operating my layout as my enjoyment of the hobby, I would sell off all my model railroads stuff and use the money to find some other hobby to enjoy.
 

 

 

If all I wanted out of this hobby is to build things I would sell my trains and build model ships or  NASCAR  models.

For me operation is the main key that has held my hobby interest over the past 60 years. I've spent a ton of money on models and building several ISLs over the years so,why not get a return out of my investment?

Why spend thousands of dollars on cars, locomotives,structures vehicles etc if  I don't use 'em?

I couldn't agree more!

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