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Posted by IRONROOSTER on Thursday, February 5, 2004 8:27 PM
My vote is for the trainmaster diesel.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, February 5, 2004 9:15 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by dougal

QUOTE: Originally posted by joekc6nlx

diesel - the Alco RS-2 & 3
electric - the Pennsy GG-1
steam - the N & W J (and any other so-called "streamlined" steam locomotive)


Sorry. I have to disagree with all three of them.
Me too. All are beautiful. (especially the J)

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Posted by AggroJones on Thursday, February 5, 2004 11:17 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by joekc6nlx

diesel - the Alco RS-2 & 3
electric - the Pennsy GG-1
steam - the N & W J (and any other so-called "streamlined" steam locomotive)


Are you sure you don't mean the most beautiful locomotives? All three you named are awsome. I can't image why you would think that. Oh well, to each his own. [sigh]

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, February 6, 2004 3:04 AM
Hello 4884,

Hmmm, I wonder where you got that idea. It is common knowledge in Southern England but I didn't know the word had spread. The Austerity class Q1 (flying dustbin) was the brainchild of the New Zealand engineer Oliver Bulleid and was built specifically to minimum cost and material.

Oliver's sense of humour does show in the exaggerated ugliness but surprisingly this little 46 ton loco was the most powerful 0-6-0 ever built in Britain. On the other hand his Pacifics are the most attractive locomotives I have ever seen although they do have the unfortunate nickname of Spam Cans.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, February 6, 2004 10:46 AM
Steam - the Camden and Amboy 6-2-0

Diesel - any of the NYC early experimental road engines.

Electric - the NYC "Q" class
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Posted by rf16a on Friday, February 6, 2004 11:16 PM
There is a diesel loco that the LIRR has that I think is without a doubt the ugliest loco ever to ride the rails. I think its a D-30 or something? I can't remember the model designation, but boy is it ugly. I think EMD built it.
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Posted by AltonFan on Saturday, February 7, 2004 10:27 PM
But is ugly, especially in the case of steam locomotives, really a bad thing?

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, February 8, 2004 12:33 AM
To me it ws one that belonged to AT&SF> It looked very much like a bulldogs face. Problem is I can not remember what it was. Someone out there will know the one I mean. Got a picture of it somewhere.[:D]
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Posted by jwr_1986 on Sunday, February 8, 2004 5:29 AM
Don't forget NYC' s experimental jet powered car with the number plates for a wind shield. The thing looked more like a failed sub-marine.

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Posted by lupo on Sunday, February 8, 2004 6:26 AM
Would someone put in some links please? I would like to SEE how Ugly they are
I am not familiar yet with all the types you put in
THANKS!

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Posted by joseph2 on Sunday, February 8, 2004 6:59 AM
The book "The Second Diesel Spotter"s Guide" has some really ugly.pictures of old time Diesels. Besides the BL2 made the GMDH-1 a switch engine that looked like a 1950's sports car.
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, February 8, 2004 7:11 AM
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Posted by ddechamp71 on Sunday, February 8, 2004 5:35 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by 4884bigboy

What do you think the ugliest locomotive is? In my opinion, it's the British Q1 0-6-0T. (no fighting![;)])


-Steam: all "tin toy like" british steam locos (ie those with "indoor" rods and valve gear), and sorry for you my american fellows, but I DISLIKE all Camelback locos.
-Diesel: nothing in my mind
-Electrics: all modern european designs, which are not exactly ugly, but completely lacking of relief and individuality.
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Posted by ddechamp71 on Sunday, February 8, 2004 5:45 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith

The French were also extremely proficient at building some really ugly locomotives back then also, it was as if the just because the British were building such attractive, elegant engines the French intentionaly went COMPLETELY the opposite direction and decided to make some truely ugly utilitarian un-glamorous steamers, a tradition they continued clear into the early 20th century.


Sorry guy, but I totally disagree with you. Actually I'm very more impressed by north american trains than european (I'm modelling Z scale BNSF and UP), my absolute favorite steamer is the Big Boy closely followed by all SP Cab-Forward, but I invite you to look at 4-6-2 231K's, 4-8-2 241P's and 2-4-2 141P's, which have according to me nothing to envy to British locos. If you have any doubt please contact me off forum, and with pleasure I'll send you some pictures of these engines.
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Posted by ddechamp71 on Sunday, February 8, 2004 5:51 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by tpaulsen

Many think the Frenchies built some ugly steam locos. Just what do you expect when you have frogs designing locomotives? Tom


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Posted by ddechamp71 on Sunday, February 8, 2004 5:54 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by tpaulsen

Many think the Frenchies built some ugly steam locos. Just what do you expect when you have frogs designing locomotives? Tom


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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, February 8, 2004 7:26 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by LightBender

Hello 4884,

Hmmm, I wonder where you got that idea. It is common knowledge in Southern England but I didn't know the word had spread. The Austerity class Q1 (flying dustbin) was the brainchild of the New Zealand engineer Oliver Bulleid and was built specifically to minimum cost and material.

Oliver's sense of humour does show in the exaggerated ugliness but surprisingly this little 46 ton loco was the most powerful 0-6-0 ever built in Britain. On the other hand his Pacifics are the most attractive locomotives I have ever seen although they do have the unfortunate nickname of Spam Cans.
It's in my Minipedia of Transportation. Ugliest little thing ever! (next to the John Hanncock 0-4-0)
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Posted by vsmith on Monday, February 9, 2004 11:49 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by ddechamp71

QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith

The French were also extremely proficient at building some really ugly locomotives back then also, it was as if the just because the British were building such attractive, elegant engines the French intentionaly went COMPLETELY the opposite direction and decided to make some truely ugly utilitarian un-glamorous steamers, a tradition they continued clear into the early 20th century.


Sorry guy, but I totally disagree with you. Actually I'm very more impressed by north american trains than european (I'm modelling Z scale BNSF and UP), my absolute favorite steamer is the Big Boy closely followed by all SP Cab-Forward, but I invite you to look at 4-6-2 231K's, 4-8-2 241P's and 2-4-2 141P's, which have according to me nothing to envy to British locos. If you have any doubt please contact me off forum, and with pleasure I'll send you some pictures of these engines.
Cheers,
Dominique


Dom, the question was who made the UGLIEST , not who's were more impressive. I'm know the engines you mentioned ARE very impressive but thats wasnt the question.

Who had the Ugliest engine? and I'm sorry but the French engines of the late 19th and early 20th centuries were pretty dam ugly. It was like they said "is there any other device/pipe/equipment/hose we can stick on the outside of this engine?" bonus points were awarded for ungainlyness and it seams like they risked a fine from the government if they tried to emulate any of the English elegance.

But I was looking at some photo books again over the weekend at my LHS and I still have to say the Indian State Railroads had some truely garrish, unproportional, akward and UGLY steamengines of all time.

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Posted by AggroJones on Monday, February 9, 2004 1:18 PM
Erie 0-8-8-0 camelbacks.

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Posted by ddechamp71 on Tuesday, February 10, 2004 4:25 AM
QUOTE: ]

Dom, the question was who made the UGLIEST , not who's were more impressive. I'm know the engines you mentioned ARE very impressive but thats wasnt the question.

Who had the Ugliest engine? and I'm sorry but the French engines of the late 19th and early 20th centuries were pretty dam ugly. It was like they said "is there any other device/pipe/equipment/hose we can stick on the outside of this engine?" bonus points were awarded for ungainlyness and it seams like they risked a fine from the government if they tried to emulate any of the English elegance.

But I was looking at some photo books again over the weekend at my LHS and I still have to say the Indian State Railroads had some truely garrish, unproportional, akward and UGLY steamengines of all time.


No problem my friend (I wasn't even able to read your first name!). I must have read your post too quickly as I thought for you ALL french steamers were ugly. I agree with you some of the existing designs of that era don't give me the hope to model French Railroads of end 19th century.....But to be true, I think the steam Golden Age (on both sides of the Pond) was from 1920's to the end.......
Cheers,
Dominique

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