QUOTE: ] Dom, the question was who made the UGLIEST , not who's were more impressive. I'm know the engines you mentioned ARE very impressive but thats wasnt the question. Who had the Ugliest engine? and I'm sorry but the French engines of the late 19th and early 20th centuries were pretty dam ugly. It was like they said "is there any other device/pipe/equipment/hose we can stick on the outside of this engine?" bonus points were awarded for ungainlyness and it seams like they risked a fine from the government if they tried to emulate any of the English elegance. But I was looking at some photo books again over the weekend at my LHS and I still have to say the Indian State Railroads had some truely garrish, unproportional, akward and UGLY steamengines of all time.
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QUOTE: Originally posted by ddechamp71 QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith The French were also extremely proficient at building some really ugly locomotives back then also, it was as if the just because the British were building such attractive, elegant engines the French intentionaly went COMPLETELY the opposite direction and decided to make some truely ugly utilitarian un-glamorous steamers, a tradition they continued clear into the early 20th century. Sorry guy, but I totally disagree with you. Actually I'm very more impressed by north american trains than european (I'm modelling Z scale BNSF and UP), my absolute favorite steamer is the Big Boy closely followed by all SP Cab-Forward, but I invite you to look at 4-6-2 231K's, 4-8-2 241P's and 2-4-2 141P's, which have according to me nothing to envy to British locos. If you have any doubt please contact me off forum, and with pleasure I'll send you some pictures of these engines. Cheers, Dominique
QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith The French were also extremely proficient at building some really ugly locomotives back then also, it was as if the just because the British were building such attractive, elegant engines the French intentionaly went COMPLETELY the opposite direction and decided to make some truely ugly utilitarian un-glamorous steamers, a tradition they continued clear into the early 20th century.
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QUOTE: Originally posted by LightBender Hello 4884, Hmmm, I wonder where you got that idea. It is common knowledge in Southern England but I didn't know the word had spread. The Austerity class Q1 (flying dustbin) was the brainchild of the New Zealand engineer Oliver Bulleid and was built specifically to minimum cost and material. Oliver's sense of humour does show in the exaggerated ugliness but surprisingly this little 46 ton loco was the most powerful 0-6-0 ever built in Britain. On the other hand his Pacifics are the most attractive locomotives I have ever seen although they do have the unfortunate nickname of Spam Cans.
QUOTE: Originally posted by tpaulsen Many think the Frenchies built some ugly steam locos. Just what do you expect when you have frogs designing locomotives? Tom
QUOTE: Originally posted by 4884bigboy What do you think the ugliest locomotive is? In my opinion, it's the British Q1 0-6-0T. (no fighting![;)])
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QUOTE: Originally posted by joekc6nlx diesel - the Alco RS-2 & 3 electric - the Pennsy GG-1 steam - the N & W J (and any other so-called "streamlined" steam locomotive)
QUOTE: Originally posted by dougal QUOTE: Originally posted by joekc6nlx diesel - the Alco RS-2 & 3 electric - the Pennsy GG-1 steam - the N & W J (and any other so-called "streamlined" steam locomotive) Sorry. I have to disagree with all three of them.
QUOTE: Originally posted by tpaulsen Many think the Frenchies built some ugly steam locos. Just what do you expect when you have frogs designing locomotives? And the ugliest locomotive of all time and beyond is called the Steisel. I appeared briefly in MR some years ago. Tom