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QUOTE: Originally posted by brothaslide I own an air brush but it seems like so much effort (i.e. cleaning[xx(]) and technique are required to use an air brush. I have also used spray cans but you are stuck with available colors and the spray mist droplets are too large. Anybody out there have a better idea or technique that does not require the use of an air brush? Or is there an "easy-to-use" tool that gives results close to that of an air brush?[?][?][?][?]
Originally posted by vsmith I I have been looking for an alternative called Rottenstone that does a similar effect but have not found it yet. I read about a technique in the Narrow Gauge & Shortline Gazette on using rottenstone to weather items, not as an alternative to using an airbrush. I found a box of rottenstone at a local flea market, and found that it is an extremely fine gray powder intended to be used as an abrasive. If I recall correctly, the article in the Gazette mentioned painting items, and after they had dried to place them in a plastic bag with some rottenstone. After shaking the bag, dust off the item, and the rottenstone would be dusted off, the items would take on a lightly weathered look. Somewhat similar effects can be achieved using chalks. Bob Boudreau Canada Reply Edit brothaslide Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Southern California 743 posts Posted by brothaslide on Tuesday, January 13, 2004 2:53 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Supermicha I know, airbrush is the best, but i tried another version. I used standard tamyia spray bottles to paint my engines. And i got very good results with that. the P32 shown below was painted by myself with this technic using a standard athearn p40 engine. Supermicha, Very interesting and great work by the way. If you have a chance, can you elaborate a bit more into technique, etc. Thanks, Sean Reply vsmith Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Smoggy L.A. 10,743 posts Posted by vsmith on Tuesday, January 13, 2004 6:12 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by FundyNorthern Originally posted by vsmith I I have been looking for an alternative called Rottenstone that does a similar effect but have not found it yet. I read about a technique in the Narrow Gauge & Shortline Gazette on using rottenstone to weather items, not as an alternative to using an airbrush. I found a box of rottenstone at a local flea market, and found that it is an extremely fine gray powder intended to be used as an abrasive. If I recall correctly, the article in the Gazette mentioned painting items, and after they had dried to place them in a plastic bag with some rottenstone. After shaking the bag, dust off the item, and the rottenstone would be dusted off, the items would take on a lightly weathered look. Somewhat similar effects can be achieved using chalks. Bob Boudreau Canada I also have that issue, but have never been able to track down the product. Have fun with your trains Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, January 13, 2004 6:31 PM I saw an article ( can't remember where) about making a rust weathering solution. Take some steel wool and put it in vinigar and in a day or so , it will dissolve leaving a rusty medium that you can apply for weathering. Reply Edit Supermicha Member sinceJanuary 2002 From: Germany 357 posts Posted by Supermicha on Wednesday, January 14, 2004 8:25 AM QUOTE: Very interesting and great work by the way. If you have a chance, can you elaborate a bit more into technique, etc. There is nothing spezial i think. After stripping the old shell with isopropylalcohol (available in pharmacies) i used grey primer spray also from the spray bottle. The sharp lines i masked with tamyia masking tape. for spraying, two things are important: the paint must have a warm temperature (more than 25 degrees celsius), for that i put them on a heater for a while. then shake the bottles for a minimum of 5 minutes. during spraying, hold the bottles at least 20 centimeters away from the model. spray short, let the paint dry, and spray another time and so on. my model got four paintings with every color. after aplying decals, i finished all with a clear varnish. thats all. Michael Kreiser www.modelrailroadworks.de Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 14, 2004 9:26 AM I saw a lot of questions above about rust. Try Tamiya color X-26, "Clear Orange". This is the best rust color I have seen, and its acrylic so it cleans up with water. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 14, 2004 11:05 AM A source for rottenstone is www.leevalley.com . Here's a direct link to the product: http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.asp?SID=&ccurrency=1&page=20058&category=1,190,43040 BTW, did I miss something? How did that photo get in here?!?! Andrew Reply Edit brothaslide Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Southern California 743 posts Posted by brothaslide on Wednesday, January 14, 2004 11:20 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by Supermicha the paint must have a warm temperature (more than 25 degrees celsius), for that i put them on a heater for a while. Supermicha, Putting a can of spray paint on a heater is very dangerous!!!! The propellant in a can of spray paint is highly flammable and under pressure. Basically, you have a potential hand grenade sitting on the heater. Too much heat and pressure (heat will increase the pressure) will cause the can to explode!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![:0][:0][:0][:0][:0][:0][:0][:0][:0] We want to you to model safely Supermicha - I would hate to hear that you had to be rushed to the emergency room to have shrapnel (bits and pieces of the spray can) removed from your body in additon to sustaining burns.[B)][xx(][B)][xx(][B)][xx(][B)] Reply Supermicha Member sinceJanuary 2002 From: Germany 357 posts Posted by Supermicha on Wednesday, January 14, 2004 11:52 AM Don´t be afraid. I put the bottles on my normal room heater, which works just with warm water. So it reaches a maximum temperature of just 25 or 30 degrees. No danger for the bottles, believe me. But thanks for your welfare [8D] Michael Kreiser www.modelrailroadworks.de Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 14, 2004 2:09 PM Get yourself an Aztec airbrush. It is the easiest bru***o clean out there; about 30 seconds is all it takes. If you are using acrylics, make sure you get an acrylic tip for your brush. Sometimes the set up is longer than the spraying, but the quality is so good from a brush, you are better off making it as easy on yourself as possible. Reply Edit Subscriber & Member Login Login, or register today to interact in our online community, comment on articles, receive our newsletter, manage your account online and more! Login Register Users Online There are no community member online Search the Community ADVERTISEMENT ADVERTISEMENT ADVERTISEMENT Model Railroader Newsletter See all Sign up for our FREE e-newsletter and get model railroad news in your inbox! Sign up
QUOTE: Originally posted by Supermicha I know, airbrush is the best, but i tried another version. I used standard tamyia spray bottles to paint my engines. And i got very good results with that. the P32 shown below was painted by myself with this technic using a standard athearn p40 engine.
QUOTE: Originally posted by FundyNorthern Originally posted by vsmith I I have been looking for an alternative called Rottenstone that does a similar effect but have not found it yet. I read about a technique in the Narrow Gauge & Shortline Gazette on using rottenstone to weather items, not as an alternative to using an airbrush. I found a box of rottenstone at a local flea market, and found that it is an extremely fine gray powder intended to be used as an abrasive. If I recall correctly, the article in the Gazette mentioned painting items, and after they had dried to place them in a plastic bag with some rottenstone. After shaking the bag, dust off the item, and the rottenstone would be dusted off, the items would take on a lightly weathered look. Somewhat similar effects can be achieved using chalks. Bob Boudreau Canada I also have that issue, but have never been able to track down the product. Have fun with your trains Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, January 13, 2004 6:31 PM I saw an article ( can't remember where) about making a rust weathering solution. Take some steel wool and put it in vinigar and in a day or so , it will dissolve leaving a rusty medium that you can apply for weathering. Reply Edit Supermicha Member sinceJanuary 2002 From: Germany 357 posts Posted by Supermicha on Wednesday, January 14, 2004 8:25 AM QUOTE: Very interesting and great work by the way. If you have a chance, can you elaborate a bit more into technique, etc. There is nothing spezial i think. After stripping the old shell with isopropylalcohol (available in pharmacies) i used grey primer spray also from the spray bottle. The sharp lines i masked with tamyia masking tape. for spraying, two things are important: the paint must have a warm temperature (more than 25 degrees celsius), for that i put them on a heater for a while. then shake the bottles for a minimum of 5 minutes. during spraying, hold the bottles at least 20 centimeters away from the model. spray short, let the paint dry, and spray another time and so on. my model got four paintings with every color. after aplying decals, i finished all with a clear varnish. thats all. Michael Kreiser www.modelrailroadworks.de Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 14, 2004 9:26 AM I saw a lot of questions above about rust. Try Tamiya color X-26, "Clear Orange". This is the best rust color I have seen, and its acrylic so it cleans up with water. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 14, 2004 11:05 AM A source for rottenstone is www.leevalley.com . Here's a direct link to the product: http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.asp?SID=&ccurrency=1&page=20058&category=1,190,43040 BTW, did I miss something? How did that photo get in here?!?! Andrew Reply Edit brothaslide Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Southern California 743 posts Posted by brothaslide on Wednesday, January 14, 2004 11:20 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by Supermicha the paint must have a warm temperature (more than 25 degrees celsius), for that i put them on a heater for a while. Supermicha, Putting a can of spray paint on a heater is very dangerous!!!! The propellant in a can of spray paint is highly flammable and under pressure. Basically, you have a potential hand grenade sitting on the heater. Too much heat and pressure (heat will increase the pressure) will cause the can to explode!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![:0][:0][:0][:0][:0][:0][:0][:0][:0] We want to you to model safely Supermicha - I would hate to hear that you had to be rushed to the emergency room to have shrapnel (bits and pieces of the spray can) removed from your body in additon to sustaining burns.[B)][xx(][B)][xx(][B)][xx(][B)] Reply Supermicha Member sinceJanuary 2002 From: Germany 357 posts Posted by Supermicha on Wednesday, January 14, 2004 11:52 AM Don´t be afraid. I put the bottles on my normal room heater, which works just with warm water. So it reaches a maximum temperature of just 25 or 30 degrees. No danger for the bottles, believe me. But thanks for your welfare [8D] Michael Kreiser www.modelrailroadworks.de Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 14, 2004 2:09 PM Get yourself an Aztec airbrush. It is the easiest bru***o clean out there; about 30 seconds is all it takes. If you are using acrylics, make sure you get an acrylic tip for your brush. Sometimes the set up is longer than the spraying, but the quality is so good from a brush, you are better off making it as easy on yourself as possible. Reply Edit Subscriber & Member Login Login, or register today to interact in our online community, comment on articles, receive our newsletter, manage your account online and more! Login Register Users Online There are no community member online Search the Community ADVERTISEMENT ADVERTISEMENT ADVERTISEMENT Model Railroader Newsletter See all Sign up for our FREE e-newsletter and get model railroad news in your inbox! Sign up
Originally posted by vsmith I I have been looking for an alternative called Rottenstone that does a similar effect but have not found it yet. I read about a technique in the Narrow Gauge & Shortline Gazette on using rottenstone to weather items, not as an alternative to using an airbrush. I found a box of rottenstone at a local flea market, and found that it is an extremely fine gray powder intended to be used as an abrasive. If I recall correctly, the article in the Gazette mentioned painting items, and after they had dried to place them in a plastic bag with some rottenstone. After shaking the bag, dust off the item, and the rottenstone would be dusted off, the items would take on a lightly weathered look. Somewhat similar effects can be achieved using chalks. Bob Boudreau Canada
QUOTE: Very interesting and great work by the way. If you have a chance, can you elaborate a bit more into technique, etc.
QUOTE: Originally posted by Supermicha the paint must have a warm temperature (more than 25 degrees celsius), for that i put them on a heater for a while.