QUOTE: Originally posted by Supermicha the paint must have a warm temperature (more than 25 degrees celsius), for that i put them on a heater for a while.
QUOTE: Very interesting and great work by the way. If you have a chance, can you elaborate a bit more into technique, etc.
QUOTE: Originally posted by FundyNorthern Originally posted by vsmith I I have been looking for an alternative called Rottenstone that does a similar effect but have not found it yet. I read about a technique in the Narrow Gauge & Shortline Gazette on using rottenstone to weather items, not as an alternative to using an airbrush. I found a box of rottenstone at a local flea market, and found that it is an extremely fine gray powder intended to be used as an abrasive. If I recall correctly, the article in the Gazette mentioned painting items, and after they had dried to place them in a plastic bag with some rottenstone. After shaking the bag, dust off the item, and the rottenstone would be dusted off, the items would take on a lightly weathered look. Somewhat similar effects can be achieved using chalks. Bob Boudreau Canada I also have that issue, but have never been able to track down the product. Have fun with your trains Reply brothaslide Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Southern California 743 posts Posted by brothaslide on Tuesday, January 13, 2004 2:53 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Supermicha I know, airbrush is the best, but i tried another version. I used standard tamyia spray bottles to paint my engines. And i got very good results with that. the P32 shown below was painted by myself with this technic using a standard athearn p40 engine. Supermicha, Very interesting and great work by the way. If you have a chance, can you elaborate a bit more into technique, etc. Thanks, Sean Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, January 13, 2004 2:06 PM Originally posted by vsmith I I have been looking for an alternative called Rottenstone that does a similar effect but have not found it yet. I read about a technique in the Narrow Gauge & Shortline Gazette on using rottenstone to weather items, not as an alternative to using an airbrush. I found a box of rottenstone at a local flea market, and found that it is an extremely fine gray powder intended to be used as an abrasive. If I recall correctly, the article in the Gazette mentioned painting items, and after they had dried to place them in a plastic bag with some rottenstone. After shaking the bag, dust off the item, and the rottenstone would be dusted off, the items would take on a lightly weathered look. Somewhat similar effects can be achieved using chalks. Bob Boudreau Canada Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, January 13, 2004 1:55 PM John Allen brush painted all of his locomotives, including all the brass & diecast steam, and the scratchbuilt railcar & gas-electric units that were made of several various materials. He wasn't faced with the difficulty of miscellaneous striping and patterning of any diesels of course..[;)] regards, Mike Reply Edit Supermicha Member sinceJanuary 2002 From: Germany 357 posts Posted by Supermicha on Tuesday, January 13, 2004 1:36 PM I know, airbrush is the best, but i tried another version. I used standard tamyia spray bottles to paint my engines. And i got very good results with that. the P32 shown below was painted by myself with this technic using a standard athearn p40 engine. Michael Kreiser www.modelrailroadworks.de Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, January 13, 2004 9:49 AM VSM: Rustall is listed in the latest Micro-Mark catalog, item #80755. You might check on actual availability by contacting Micro-Mark direct. www.micromark.com I'd think a sepia ink/alcohol wash would work for weathering followed by a spray of dullcote. Randy Reply Edit dknelson Member sinceMarch 2002 From: Milwaukee WI (Fox Point) 11,439 posts Posted by dknelson on Tuesday, January 13, 2004 8:07 AM I bought my rustall as part of a weathering set a few years ago. I would think you could make your own rust-all. I have assumed it is real rust, suspended in alcohol. Find rusty metal, rub it with a wire brush over a pan to hold the particles. Then bru***he particles into a small amount of 100% alcohol. I have not done this myself. Might be worth a try. Dave Nelson Reply vsmith Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Smoggy L.A. 10,743 posts Posted by vsmith on Monday, January 12, 2004 10:31 AM I was told by my LHS that Rust-all was no longer being made, something to do with not meeting EPA requirements so they discontinued it. I have been looking for an alternative called Rottenstone that does a similar effect but have not found it yet. Have fun with your trains Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, January 12, 2004 9:36 AM Hi Dave, where would you find rust-all? Reply Edit dknelson Member sinceMarch 2002 From: Milwaukee WI (Fox Point) 11,439 posts Posted by dknelson on Monday, January 12, 2004 8:02 AM Certain weathering effects can be achieved by using powdered chalks, brushing them on, then fixing them with dullcoat. Often you need multiple tries to get the right effect. Certain effects also can be achieved with "rust-all" a liquid that seems to suspend real rust in perhaps alcohol? Dave Nelson Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, January 12, 2004 7:50 AM Stay with the airbrush, no question it is the best for what we do. Sounds as if you could use some mentoring by someone who is expert with it. If you know such a person, ask them to check you out on the essentials. Sure its a steap learning curve, but relatively short and very rewarding. Get a few experimental cars or buildings from the dead pile at your LHS and take notes on mixes you use and the air pressure etc. That way you will know what works well for you and what doesn't. Good Luck Randy Reply Edit nfmisso Member sinceDecember 2001 From: San Jose, California 3,154 posts Posted by nfmisso on Monday, January 12, 2004 5:28 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by brothaslide I own an air brush but it seems like so much effort (i.e. cleaning[xx(]) and technique are required to use an air brush. I have also used spray cans but you are stuck with available colors and the spray mist droplets are too large. Anybody out there have a better idea or technique that does not require the use of an air brush? Or is there an "easy-to-use" tool that gives results close to that of an air brush?[?][?][?][?] Pay a pro..... The airbrush is the most effective tool for the job.... Nigel N&W in HO scale, 1950 - 1955 (..and some a bit newer too) Now in San Jose, California Reply vsmith Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Smoggy L.A. 10,743 posts Posted by vsmith on Monday, January 12, 2004 12:29 AM The easy to use tool is called a paintbrush, and the technic is called "drybrushing"where you use the bru***o apply paint that is almost dry and you speckle it onto the subject. Dip the brush into a little paint then dab the paint onto a sheet of paper until it starts to look like its speckling the apply it to the model with the same dabbing technic. i'm sure I'm butchering the technic with bad descriptions but thats a great technic alternative to the airbrush. waterbashed acrylic paints are good for this and clean up is pretty easy, just wash, but you'll be best if you just designate some brushes as they will get trashed over time. Have fun with your trains Reply AggroJones Member sinceJuly 2002 From: California 3,722 posts Posted by AggroJones on Monday, January 12, 2004 12:29 AM Dude, what kind of airbru***o you own? I have a simple $20 Badger spraygun and it does every thing I need it to. If you are new to airbrushing, you should practice strokes on cardboard. Play with the nozzle, experiment with different consist of paint until you get the hang of it. Then practice painting scrap cars. I use an airbrush in lots of my weathering. Remember, an airbrush is a valuable tool that can do things nothing else can. Its magical. "Being misunderstood is the fate of all true geniuses" EXPERIMENTATION TO BRING INNOVATION http://community.webshots.com/album/288541251nntnEK?start=588 Reply brothaslide Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Southern California 743 posts Easy Alternative to Air Brushing? Posted by brothaslide on Monday, January 12, 2004 12:19 AM I own an air brush but it seems like so much effort (i.e. cleaning[xx(]) and technique are required to use an air brush. I have also used spray cans but you are stuck with available colors and the spray mist droplets are too large. Anybody out there have a better idea or technique that does not require the use of an air brush? Or is there an "easy-to-use" tool that gives results close to that of an air brush?[?][?][?][?] Reply Subscriber & Member Login Login, or register today to interact in our online community, comment on articles, receive our newsletter, manage your account online and more! Login Register Users Online There are no community member online Search the Community ADVERTISEMENT ADVERTISEMENT ADVERTISEMENT Model Railroader Newsletter See all Sign up for our FREE e-newsletter and get model railroad news in your inbox! Sign up
Originally posted by vsmith I I have been looking for an alternative called Rottenstone that does a similar effect but have not found it yet. I read about a technique in the Narrow Gauge & Shortline Gazette on using rottenstone to weather items, not as an alternative to using an airbrush. I found a box of rottenstone at a local flea market, and found that it is an extremely fine gray powder intended to be used as an abrasive. If I recall correctly, the article in the Gazette mentioned painting items, and after they had dried to place them in a plastic bag with some rottenstone. After shaking the bag, dust off the item, and the rottenstone would be dusted off, the items would take on a lightly weathered look. Somewhat similar effects can be achieved using chalks. Bob Boudreau Canada
Have fun with your trains
QUOTE: Originally posted by Supermicha I know, airbrush is the best, but i tried another version. I used standard tamyia spray bottles to paint my engines. And i got very good results with that. the P32 shown below was painted by myself with this technic using a standard athearn p40 engine.
Originally posted by vsmith I I have been looking for an alternative called Rottenstone that does a similar effect but have not found it yet. I read about a technique in the Narrow Gauge & Shortline Gazette on using rottenstone to weather items, not as an alternative to using an airbrush. I found a box of rottenstone at a local flea market, and found that it is an extremely fine gray powder intended to be used as an abrasive. If I recall correctly, the article in the Gazette mentioned painting items, and after they had dried to place them in a plastic bag with some rottenstone. After shaking the bag, dust off the item, and the rottenstone would be dusted off, the items would take on a lightly weathered look. Somewhat similar effects can be achieved using chalks. Bob Boudreau Canada Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, January 13, 2004 1:55 PM John Allen brush painted all of his locomotives, including all the brass & diecast steam, and the scratchbuilt railcar & gas-electric units that were made of several various materials. He wasn't faced with the difficulty of miscellaneous striping and patterning of any diesels of course..[;)] regards, Mike Reply Edit Supermicha Member sinceJanuary 2002 From: Germany 357 posts Posted by Supermicha on Tuesday, January 13, 2004 1:36 PM I know, airbrush is the best, but i tried another version. I used standard tamyia spray bottles to paint my engines. And i got very good results with that. the P32 shown below was painted by myself with this technic using a standard athearn p40 engine. Michael Kreiser www.modelrailroadworks.de Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, January 13, 2004 9:49 AM VSM: Rustall is listed in the latest Micro-Mark catalog, item #80755. You might check on actual availability by contacting Micro-Mark direct. www.micromark.com I'd think a sepia ink/alcohol wash would work for weathering followed by a spray of dullcote. Randy Reply Edit dknelson Member sinceMarch 2002 From: Milwaukee WI (Fox Point) 11,439 posts Posted by dknelson on Tuesday, January 13, 2004 8:07 AM I bought my rustall as part of a weathering set a few years ago. I would think you could make your own rust-all. I have assumed it is real rust, suspended in alcohol. Find rusty metal, rub it with a wire brush over a pan to hold the particles. Then bru***he particles into a small amount of 100% alcohol. I have not done this myself. Might be worth a try. Dave Nelson Reply vsmith Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Smoggy L.A. 10,743 posts Posted by vsmith on Monday, January 12, 2004 10:31 AM I was told by my LHS that Rust-all was no longer being made, something to do with not meeting EPA requirements so they discontinued it. I have been looking for an alternative called Rottenstone that does a similar effect but have not found it yet. Have fun with your trains Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, January 12, 2004 9:36 AM Hi Dave, where would you find rust-all? Reply Edit dknelson Member sinceMarch 2002 From: Milwaukee WI (Fox Point) 11,439 posts Posted by dknelson on Monday, January 12, 2004 8:02 AM Certain weathering effects can be achieved by using powdered chalks, brushing them on, then fixing them with dullcoat. Often you need multiple tries to get the right effect. Certain effects also can be achieved with "rust-all" a liquid that seems to suspend real rust in perhaps alcohol? Dave Nelson Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, January 12, 2004 7:50 AM Stay with the airbrush, no question it is the best for what we do. Sounds as if you could use some mentoring by someone who is expert with it. If you know such a person, ask them to check you out on the essentials. Sure its a steap learning curve, but relatively short and very rewarding. Get a few experimental cars or buildings from the dead pile at your LHS and take notes on mixes you use and the air pressure etc. That way you will know what works well for you and what doesn't. Good Luck Randy Reply Edit nfmisso Member sinceDecember 2001 From: San Jose, California 3,154 posts Posted by nfmisso on Monday, January 12, 2004 5:28 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by brothaslide I own an air brush but it seems like so much effort (i.e. cleaning[xx(]) and technique are required to use an air brush. I have also used spray cans but you are stuck with available colors and the spray mist droplets are too large. Anybody out there have a better idea or technique that does not require the use of an air brush? Or is there an "easy-to-use" tool that gives results close to that of an air brush?[?][?][?][?] Pay a pro..... The airbrush is the most effective tool for the job.... Nigel N&W in HO scale, 1950 - 1955 (..and some a bit newer too) Now in San Jose, California Reply vsmith Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Smoggy L.A. 10,743 posts Posted by vsmith on Monday, January 12, 2004 12:29 AM The easy to use tool is called a paintbrush, and the technic is called "drybrushing"where you use the bru***o apply paint that is almost dry and you speckle it onto the subject. Dip the brush into a little paint then dab the paint onto a sheet of paper until it starts to look like its speckling the apply it to the model with the same dabbing technic. i'm sure I'm butchering the technic with bad descriptions but thats a great technic alternative to the airbrush. waterbashed acrylic paints are good for this and clean up is pretty easy, just wash, but you'll be best if you just designate some brushes as they will get trashed over time. Have fun with your trains Reply AggroJones Member sinceJuly 2002 From: California 3,722 posts Posted by AggroJones on Monday, January 12, 2004 12:29 AM Dude, what kind of airbru***o you own? I have a simple $20 Badger spraygun and it does every thing I need it to. If you are new to airbrushing, you should practice strokes on cardboard. Play with the nozzle, experiment with different consist of paint until you get the hang of it. Then practice painting scrap cars. I use an airbrush in lots of my weathering. Remember, an airbrush is a valuable tool that can do things nothing else can. Its magical. "Being misunderstood is the fate of all true geniuses" EXPERIMENTATION TO BRING INNOVATION http://community.webshots.com/album/288541251nntnEK?start=588 Reply brothaslide Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Southern California 743 posts Easy Alternative to Air Brushing? Posted by brothaslide on Monday, January 12, 2004 12:19 AM I own an air brush but it seems like so much effort (i.e. cleaning[xx(]) and technique are required to use an air brush. I have also used spray cans but you are stuck with available colors and the spray mist droplets are too large. Anybody out there have a better idea or technique that does not require the use of an air brush? Or is there an "easy-to-use" tool that gives results close to that of an air brush?[?][?][?][?] Reply Subscriber & Member Login Login, or register today to interact in our online community, comment on articles, receive our newsletter, manage your account online and more! Login Register Users Online There are no community member online Search the Community ADVERTISEMENT ADVERTISEMENT ADVERTISEMENT Model Railroader Newsletter See all Sign up for our FREE e-newsletter and get model railroad news in your inbox! Sign up
QUOTE: Originally posted by brothaslide I own an air brush but it seems like so much effort (i.e. cleaning[xx(]) and technique are required to use an air brush. I have also used spray cans but you are stuck with available colors and the spray mist droplets are too large. Anybody out there have a better idea or technique that does not require the use of an air brush? Or is there an "easy-to-use" tool that gives results close to that of an air brush?[?][?][?][?]
"Being misunderstood is the fate of all true geniuses"
EXPERIMENTATION TO BRING INNOVATION
http://community.webshots.com/album/288541251nntnEK?start=588