I have an NCE Power Pro-R System and it cannot read the CVs on the programming track of this one decoder and I cannot reset it either on the PT or main. Suggestions?
I get sounds and lights but the loco won't move.
As always, thanks.
Brent
"All of the world's problems are the result of the difference between how we think and how the world works."
Could you possibly have F9 on? Drive hold. When you try to move does the engine notch up? Can you clear CV19 consist address? To reset is CV8=8 then cycle the power.
Pete.
Thanks, Pete, I tried all of the above. Horn, bell, and light work, I have sound, the engine sound does not notch up when I throttle up. I get "cannot read CVs when on the programming track.
You will have to check the motor connections. The decoder needs a motor load in order to read/write CVs.
Hello All,
This might be slightly but...
I bought a Roco EDK 750 Slewing Railway Crane.
This unit uses a ZIMO MX659N18 decoder for crane operation, sound, and independent propulsion functions.
With this decoder; to perform a full reset, not only does CV8=V8 but CV908=V8.
Using JMRI DecoderPro I added to my roster an entry of "Raw CVs 1-1024" decoder family.
This provides direct-to-CV programming and does access CV908.
I understand you are working with a LokSound V5 decoder but there might be a second CV that needs to be re-valued.
Short of purchasing a LokProgrammer, I would suggest contacting ESU directly and posing the question to them.
Hope this helps.
Post Script: The EDK 750 is an expensive item but worth every penny!H.T.H.- -J.J.D.I.
"Uhh...I didn’t know it was 'impossible' I just made it work...sorry"
Loksound 5 only needs the CV8 for a reset. I suspect a motor wire has come loose. The OP stated he could not read or write CVs. The decoder needs a motor draw or resistance across the orange and grey wires for read/write capability.
wrench567The OP stated he could not read or write CVs.
I seem to be able to write CVs on the programming track and main. On the programming track, the first thing it says is it cannot read CVs, I then hit enter and the programming line appears at which time I can change CVs. The thing will not move. I must have inadvertently changed a CV along the way.
Does the locomotive jiggle when writing CVs? Do you have decoder Pro? Try reading all sheets and see if it walks down the track. Is it difficult to check the motor connections?
wrench567Try reading all sheets and see if it walks down the track.
I've seen lots of my Digitrax, Soundtraxx and QSI/Paragon decoders do this on the programming track but I don't recall any of my ESU decoders doing the "dance" during read or write operations. Maybe I just missed it.
Good Luck, Ed
Ed.
The Loksound does it but not nearly as much as some other decoders. I did a WOW sound in a brass 2-8-0 a month ago and it rolled down the whole yard long program track. I ended up putting it the rollers. The Loksound 5 just wiggles a tiny bit. If you can take the shell off you can see the motor armature go round. I'm doing a Loksound 5 micro right now in an older P2K Alco S-1. I downloaded the sound file through the programmer and set up lights, horn, bell, and others using the programmer. Now I'm creating a roster file in decoder Pro. It takes about a half hour to read all sheets. This is the 12th sound decoder in six months. All that's left is one E8 and a half dozen Alco RS units. Then I will have nothing but noisy locomotives.
wrench567 Does the locomotive jiggle when writing CVs? Do you have decoder Pro? Try reading all sheets and see if it walks down the track. Is it difficult to check the motor connections?
It does wiggle ever so slightly, does this mean anything? I thought I was seeing things as I thought it was not supposed to be able to move on the program track. I don't have a programmer and I will try and get the shell off for a peek inside tomorrow.
I appreciate the help.
Had the engine been working normally at one time, or is this a new engine (or new decoder install)? If it worked at one time, I wonder if the engine was at some point a trailing unit in a consist set up through your DCC system (i.e. not through a CV setting). That might explain why it seems to respond up to a point, but won't move.
Perhaps try changing the engine ID, like add one number to the current ID or just change the short address to 03 and long to 0003 and see if the engine responds to that. (As mentioned, you can change CVs even if you can't read them back.)
BATMAN wrench567 Does the locomotive jiggle when writing CVs? Do you have decoder Pro? Try reading all sheets and see if it walks down the track. Is it difficult to check the motor connections? It does wiggle ever so slightly, does this mean anything? I thought I was seeing things as I thought it was not supposed to be able to move on the program track. I don't have a programmer and I will try and get the shell off for a peek inside tomorrow. I appreciate the help.
If the locomotive is jiggling now then that would indicate the motor IS connected. Try what Stix posted above. If you have it on the roster of decoder Pro from the beginning then you could try the write all sheets to reload what was in before. Why it won't read is a mystery.
BTW quick and easy way to test for a loose motor connection without taking the engine apart is to try it on DC. Since it's a dual-mode decoder it should run on DC but due to being a sound decoder may require maybe 9-10 volts before moving. It it moves even slowly in DC, then it's a problem with a CV setting or (I suspect more likely) the engine is still set by your DCC system (not the decoder) to be part of a consist.
Well, it runs on DC, I have no consist in the system.
wjstix(I suspect more likely) the engine is still set by your DCC system (not the decoder) to be part of a consist.
Even if the system has been purged of consist?
It is a Rapido F7B and was working and then it wasn't. Horn, bell, and light still work so that tells me the addressing is OK.
Onward and upward, please keep the suggestions coming
BATMAN I have an NCE Power Pro-R System and it cannot read the CVs on the programming track of this one decoder and I cannot reset it either on the PT or main. Suggestions? I get sounds and lights but the loco won't move. As always, thanks.
ESU recommends using the program track (service mode) and Direct Mode to reset the decoder.
Writing a value of 8 to CV8 should work. If you have JMRI, it has a specific button for resetting an ESU decoder. You will have to determine the decoder model using New Loco - Read Type from Decoder.
Remember, a LokSound's default address is not necessarily "3". It could be any acceptable value.
Decoder Reset
ESU decoders are pretty complex and a bit different than other decoders, so maybe the best bet would be to find a friend or hobby shop that has an ESU LokProgrammer and review the settings using that.
This is a less basic thing to check on.
Did you change CV 31 or CV 32? CV 31 = 16 and CV 32 =0 if accessing CVs 1-255. Reference the Quick Start Guide.
Lee
The DCC Wiki page lead me to this. I wonder as my system was purchased in 2009. The letter is dated 2010.
https://ncedcc.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/article_attachments/201358689/prog_track_boost.pdf
Lee, I will take a look at CVs 31 and 32.
Perhaps I need one of these?
https://dccwiki.com/PTB-100
https://soundtraxx.com/accessories/installation-accessories/dcc-accessories/ptb-100-programming-track-booster/
https://ncedcc.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/202353705-Cannot-Read-CV
I feel like I am getting somewhere.
BATMANWell, it runs on DC, I have no consist in the system. wjstix (I suspect more likely) the engine is still set by your DCC system (not the decoder) to be part of a consist. Even if the system has been purged of consist?
I can't say if your issue is consist related or not. In any event, how did you "purge" all your consists? Sometimes the NCE system does not do a good job of this.
To be sure, put the loco on the programming track and directly set CV19 to zero.
Lee 1234 This is a less basic thing to check on. Did you change CV 31 or CV 32? CV 31 = 16 and CV 32 =0 if accessing CVs 1-255. Reference the Quick Start Guide.
Do not attempt to change indexed CVs with a Power Pro using the program track! The decoder will be corrupted.
You can do it using Decoder Pro, as it is aware of the issue and can work around it.
It is also possible to to use Ops Mode to do it, but it can be problematic with timing issues.
The PowerCab is not impacted by this firmware bug.
BATMAN The DCC Wiki page lead me to this. I wonder as my system was purchased in 2009. The letter is dated 2010. https://ncedcc.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/article_attachments/201358689/prog_track_boost.pdf Lee, I will take a look at CVs 31 and 32.
FIXED!!!!!!
Hours later after clearing consist, setting CV19 to 0, and trying other things, I hit the delete loco button and KAPLA! Who-da thought. This hobby is too advanced for my tiny brain.
At least there is a hockey game tonight and the wife has stocked the bar.
I wonder what it was deleted from.
maxman I wonder what it was deleted from.
I hope someone can give us an answer as I am hoping to get my tiny brain around DCC before I can't.
. Stixx hit on it about ten posts ago. Old fashioned consist!!!!! There was nothing wrong with the decoder at all. The consist is held in the command station. As long as the locomotive is on the track it will only be controlled by the consist address.
So why wasn't it removed when the consist was deleted on the system?
BATMAN So why wasn't it removed when the consist was deleted on the system?
Could it be possible you thought it was an advanced consist? You were clearing a CV control consist instead of an old fashioned command station consist.
Did you say earlier that this was a B unit? All my B units have the same DCC address as the A unit. Engines that I usually run together have the same address. At my former club I would run a half dozen Alco RS units on coal drags. Two RSD4/5, three RS3, and an RS1. All six have the DCC address of 5566. That is the address of the RS1. The ones with odd number cab numbers are set to run reverse. The even numbers run forward. Address consisting is easy and quick.
Glad you got it going.
wrench567 Could it be possible you thought it was an advanced consist? You were clearing a CV control consist instead of an old fashioned command station consist.
Hmmmmmm, you may be right. I need to read up on NCE and consist.