In Indiana, we called it Appa-LAY-sha. And culturally, the hoots and hollers of hilly and wooded Southern Indiana qualified as Appalaysha.
Here in Georgia, we pronounce it "home"
- Douglas
selector What I meant, Sheldon, is that the video is funny. I should have made myself more clear.
What I meant, Sheldon, is that the video is funny. I should have made myself more clear.
Selector, yes, it is very funny, we make fun of ourselves all the time about it. No one here is offended if that's what you thought?
Sheldon
selector Funny to me, but I love how they're having fun with it as well. As the old saying goes, "It takes all kinds." But really, we alla same same.
Funny to me, but I love how they're having fun with it as well. As the old saying goes, "It takes all kinds." But really, we alla same same.
Yes, we know that we talk funny........
They are really "Hills" My former girlfriend from West, Virginia says they are hills.
Out West they have Mountains.
Rich
If you ever fall over in public, pick yourself up and say “sorry it’s been a while since I inhabited a body.” And just walk away.
ATLANTIC CENTRALBeing from Maryland, we are right in the middle of it
This thread needs sound: Baltimore speak
Henry
COB Potomac & Northern
Shenandoah Valley
Western PA from southeastern PA is easy. I drink (or rather don't drink) soda, my western PA GF drinks pop.
I drink 'wudder' instead. Although naturally I don't hear myself say it that way. I only lived in Philly a couple of years so I never really picked up the whole "youse" thing, I say "you guys" And I guess my GF has been away long enough, she doesn't say much different other than the pop thing, her Mom is real bad with the "youins"
I can usually tell Texas from other Southern states, but I'm not good on the more subtle differences in other areas - Tennesee, Georgia, it all sounds the same to me. Florida sounds like New York, but I've never been to the more 'rural' areas of Florida.
--Randy
Modeling the Reading Railroad in the 1950's
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Thanks, fellas. I guess, like any tourista, I'll just have to go by the raised eyebrows and partly witheld smirks when I pronounce names locally.
selector I hope nobody minds me asking a distantly related question, but please humour a Canuckian from the white hills. Is it appulay-sha, appulat-chia, appulah-sha, or appulay-chia? I have attempted to see if there is consensus, local consensu, regional consensus, and it seems to be up to whomever's youtube video you decide to watch.
I hope nobody minds me asking a distantly related question, but please humour a Canuckian from the white hills.
Is it appulay-sha, appulat-chia, appulah-sha, or appulay-chia? I have attempted to see if there is consensus, local consensu, regional consensus, and it seems to be up to whomever's youtube video you decide to watch.
As Randy and Greg have noted there is no one "correct" pronunciation, and the term Appaclacha is most comonly pronounced "Appulatch-sha", with no "i" sound before the "a" at the end.
And technically, that term refers to the unique cluture of the region, but many do refer to the region itself with that term.
The entire east cost of the US has a series of unique speach patterns which progress "gently" from Maine to Georgia among those who are long time natives of a given area.
As Randy noted, with experiance many can tell a Virginian from a those from Maryland or North Carolina, or a Bostonian from a New Yorker, or a southeastern Pennsylvannian from a those in western PA.
As Greg noted, people farther north in the region tend to pronounce the last "i", where people farther south do not.
It has a lot to do with the orginal groups who settles these areas, and who were well intrenched before lots of travel was common.
Being from Maryland, we are right in the middle of it. And having traveled the east coast extensively, I have learned most of the subtle differences.
Even locally, people native to Baltimore City speak differently than those just an hour or two away in western Maryland or Northern Virginia.
my mom, from Pa, always said appa-lay-chian
when i got older i noticed that other would say appa-latch-ian (see wikipedia) and initially had no idea that they were talking about the same mountain.
greg - Philadelphia & Reading / Reading
It depends on where yoou're from. I Northerner like me doesn;t say it the same as someone from West Virginia who doesn;t say it the same as someone from say Kentucky. There really is no "Southern Accent" in the US - if someone was born and raised in the same general area their entire life, the accents are very distinct, and if someone is good at it, they can tell just what state that person came from.
Is it appulay-sha, appulat-chia, appulah-sha, or appulay-chia? I have attempted to see if there is consensus, local consensus, regional consensus, and it seems to be up to whomever's youtube video you decide to watch.
Not full floors - a lot of the 'floors' were just for catwalks to maintain the machinery. Certainly at the time of that picture, young kids would be employed to pick pieces of slate out of the coal as it ran past on conveyors.
There are a couple of other mine tours near me. I've been on one, the Pioneer Mine in Ashland, which is on the opposite hill from Centralia. You can go down in the mine on the electric mine cars, and they also have a steam loco that takes you around the side of the mountain for a rather spectacular view of reclaimed strip mining areas. The Centralia fire is working its way down the mountain, eventually it will hit this and other mines in Ashland.
Still the worst has to be the Knox mine diasaster, when some greedy manager had the miners dig too close to the surface - a surface that was UNDER the Susquenhannah River. Many mines in the anthracite reqion are interconnected - the river breaking through here pretty muich flooded the entire northern anthracite region and shut down all mining there. The river swirled down into the hole like water down a drain plug - they threw everything they could in the hole to try and block it. Eventually they were able to build a giant concrete 'drain plug' over the hole - when the river is low you can still see it today. Considering how quickly the hole opened and the river poured in, it is perhaps a miracle that only 12 were killed. 69 others in the mine managed to escape. In this case, the greedy management didn't get away with it. There was even a 'secret owner' who was president of the mine worker's union (no conflict of interest there). He, the "on paper" owner, the superintendent, and 3 other union officials served jail time.
no, i think they needed as many windows as possible for light
Do you suppose there were that many floors as there are rows of windows?
Fascinating look at the Woodward breaker in Kingston, Pennsylvania circa 1900:
http://www.shorpy.com/node/23106?size=_original#caption
Lots to study here!
Regards, Ed
You're probably looking for something in Northern Appalachia. I live in Central Appalachia (Eastern Kentucky). I had intended on developing a Coal Camp layout which was going to be a replica of the Hardburley Community in Perry County, Ky, near Hazard. It is the camp my dad grew up in. Papaw worked in the mines there. Like I say, this is probably not what you are looking to do but i do have pics of Hardburley if they would help. Doc
BigDaddyLooking for a picture of one of the coal mines where my grandfather worked.
Collieries and Coal Breakers
my mom's from Mahanoy Plane, Pa
Centralia is another sad story. The coal fire is still burning and the town is totally gone, bought out by the government. The fire will burn for centuries, feeding on the seams of anthrisite coal.
You young fellers also forget, the Interstate, and the Western Maryland hauled an awful lot of black diamonds out of Appalachia also.
Seldom Seen I should do a coal mine tour. Most of my uncles and my grandfather worked in the mines at one time or another.
I did the silver mine tour in Park City. The elevator cable is made of braided steel, braided by hand! They were keeping the mine maintained if the price of silver came back. The miners that gave the tour loved being miners.
Johnstown, the Flood Museum was interesting, is the steel plant still standing? Since my grandmother and aunt passed away, I have no reason to visit there.
For History buffs, Johnstown is sad.
About four years ago I took a tour of the Seldom Seen Coal mine in Patton, Pa. a small scale coal mine. Don’t remember the real name when it was in operation. It employed about forty men. All the equipment still in place. The coal was lowered down a steep grade over a stream bed to a hopper at the mainline nearby.
Thirty six inch gauge track with over head head electrical power at the mine still in use. We had to wear hard hats. No springs on the cars. I could not make a video. Converted cars that hauled coal. A hard dark ride. They use to use a continuous miner. I saw two there.
http://www.seldomseenmine.com/
Edit.
Just saw, Miller Run.
It's an old thread, but it's mine and I'm bringing it back with some new info. Deal with it.
I didn't realize I had this pre-airplane aerial view of South Fork PA. It actually has some interesting modeling possibilites, train station, multiple coal mines, a river,mountains, a wye, and engine house and a brick manufacturer.
go the the link and you can really enlarge the drawing
BigDaddyThe last issue they have in the store is from 2015.
I believe their reasoning is to encourage membership in the PRRT&HS in order to get the most recent issues.
gmpullmanThe PRR T&HS recent issue of the KEYSTONE (Vol. 50 #2) has a very good article regarding the Johnstown area.
They need to update their online store. The last issue they have in the store is from 2015. Frugality was before my time. It was probably St Michaels or Sidman that I remember. Both on the PRR.
I appreciate the help.
BigDaddyI seem to be confused as to which mine I remember seeing.
Frugality is (was) on the PRR branch out of Cresson.
Possibly you saw the Peerless #1 mine or the Ridge #8?
The PRR T&HS recent issue of the KEYSTONE (Vol. 50 #2) has a very good article regarding the Johnstown area.
Good Luck, Ed
ATSFGuy The Norfolk & Western was a like conveyor belt railroad when it came to hauling coal, Erie could never match it.
The Norfolk & Western was a like conveyor belt railroad when it came to hauling coal, Erie could never match it.
True dat..I recall when three out of five N&W trains out of Portsmouth(Oh) was coal drags usually pulled by SD45s or GP9/RS11 consist.
C&O was also like a conveyor belt and a lot of that coal came out of the coal fields around Logan,WVa..
Larry
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