Yet another one for my forums friends: What is/are the external differences between an S-2 and an S-4?
As usual, thank you for any assistance the forums can provide.
The S-2 had ALCO's own "Blunt" trucks, and the S-4 had standard AAR Type A Switcher Trucks.
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As DSchmitt has pointed out, the trucks are the only visible external differences between the S2s and S4s.
Tom
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Ain't there always an exception to the rule. GN put AAR trucks under some of their Alco S-2's.
Ed
And to further confuse life, some roads later replaced the Blunt trucks with AAR trucks released from other retired locomotives.
John
Another difference: S-1/2 had riveted cabs, S-3/4 had welded cabs.
mandealco Another difference: S-1/2 had riveted cabs, S-3/4 had welded cabs.
Never heard of that difference, I would like to see some documentation of that. It is possible. We will probably never know for sure.
Some posssbilities
1) all S1/2 riveted, all S3/4 welded
2) early S1/2 riveted, latter S1/2 welded, all S3/4 welded
3) all S1/2 riveted, early S2/4 riveted, latter S2/4 welded
4) riveted and welded cabs mixed throughout all production
5) all had riveted cabs
6) all had welded cabs
Alco S1 production Apr 40 - Jun 50 540
Alco S3 production Mar 50 - Nov 53 292
Alco S2 production Apr 40 - Jun 50 1502
Alco S4 production Aug 50 - Jan 61 797
Here is what I found in Steinbrenner's book and around the net: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:ALCO_S-2_and_S-4
MLW built more than 30 S-4s in 1949. The last S-4s were built in the summer of 1957 as part of an Alco Shop order for 40 units. The very last of this S-4 production wasn't sold until 1961. See http://www.thedieselshop.us/Alco_S4.HTML and note how all the last S-4s sold are all in the same block of serial numbers.
From what I can tell, at least some S-1 through S-4 were built with riveted cabs, from looking at photos of MEC and PT cab end switchers. I did not look at BM alco's however they were generally ordered with MECs as joint orders (that stopped when McGinnis showed up 1954-1955), so it is a safe assumption they were built to the same specs.
I spent a few minutes checkin' for rivets and welding.
I found that Alco seems to have used pretty small rivets on the cab sides. So, if you're seeing welded, you might be seeing riveted.
I have a couple of really nice Alco builders photos of SP&S S-1 #10 and S-2's #20 and #25. All have riveted-side cabs. Which, considering the build dates, is no surprise.
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