Making Vinegar:
http://www.madehow.com/Volume-7/Vinegar.html
Basically sour Wine.
Apple Cider Vinegar:
http://www.cider.org.uk/
Basically hard cider.
White Vinegar is different. I havent googled for it yet but recall something about bacterial control to get white vinegar.
These links were just a few of many links related to vinegar. It's hard to pin down good links to vinegar making.
Most of my experience came from hauling apple cider out of Virginia I believe it was Whitehouse near Winchester but not certain. They left in very large glass jugs of a gallon 6 to a case. Air ride trailers was a must because one good bump or bad concrete will ruin the load as it will leak all out.
I think also Catsup or Ketchup (Which ever way you want to spell it...) is related to vinegar somehow. I remember a place in Ohio that made Heinz and there was always something about the air there LOL.
January 1955 Model Railroader had Paul Larson's prototype photos, information, and plans of a pickle works. The prototype was in Palmyra Wisconsin.
February 1961 Model Railroader had Dennis Blunt's article on building a model of a pickle factory. The prototypes were in Elk Mound Wisconsin and Knapp Wisconsin.
Both of those pickle works were rather funky looking wood structures. But going to Google Images and typing historic vinegar factory has several hits, and they look like substantial brick buildings, like breweries or other multi story factories.
Dave Nelson
Concurrent with this post, History Channel is saying Americans consume 6 million gallons a vinegar a year. Also, vinegar has an "infinite" shelf life.
Mark
Beach Bill Many of us modeling the steam era (especially in HO) do have one of those vinegar tank cars somewhere, and having a vinegar works on the line would provide some justification for its use - they were almost always in "captive" service to one company.
Many of us modeling the steam era (especially in HO) do have one of those vinegar tank cars somewhere, and having a vinegar works on the line would provide some justification for its use - they were almost always in "captive" service to one company.
Don't forget bridge traffic. If conceptually each end of your modeled railroad is connected with more railroad, then one needn't model a particular online industry to justify operating industry-unique cars. For instance one needn't model a coal mine or a power plant to justify unit coal trains. Imagine the mine is beyond the modeled layout at one end and the power plan is beyond the other end of the layout. In other words, one doesn't necessary need to model a pickle works or a canning factory to justify the use of a vinegar car... And don't leave out off-line industries not modeled but serviced by modeled freight houses and team tracks.
Actually, when I can justify it, I largely avoid modeling "paired" industries. In the era I model (mid-twentieth century), short hauls were not common. Since it is difficult to convincingly model great distances on our layouts, modeling short hauls is unconvincing. (I don't need to be reminded of examples of short hauls as between quarry and rock crusher, etc.)
Hi,
The Frisco Kid gave you the best Kit illustrating a Vinegar Works. I have modeled the A M Richter Vinegar Factory ifrom Manitowoc WI. My Father-in-law, Earl Smoky Toltzmann worked for The Richter Company as a young man. His jub, repaiting wooden tank cars. You can get information on the net with the name, A M Richter Vinegar Factory. There is also his bio and family history listed under A M Richter. He was an immigrant from Prussia. The Richter Company did not make pickles.
I believe the last remaining Richter Vinegar Car is at the RR Museum at North Freedom WI. The net also has a photo of wooden tanker. Vinegar and Pickle cars were made in single barrell tankers, two horizontal barrel and four verticle barrel cars.
Vinegar can be made from apple cider, corn, rye and barley malt. Some factories made their own vinegar and also pickles.
I have a Richter Factory on my N Scale Layout with two plastic models of vinegar cars in remembrance of my father-in-law. I also have two actual wooden kit Richter Vinegar tankers which were the find of a lifetime, on Ebay. The 1976 Walthers Catalogue lists the Richter Vinegar Tankcar kit.
Dakota Northern
marknewtonIt might be worth your while to look on the Library of Congress "Historic American Building Survey" website. I'm not 100% certain, but I seem to recall seeing some mention of a vinegar/pickling plant on there. Also, the MR index is worth a look, I'm sure that "way back when" there was an article in MR with drawings and photos of a pickle plant. Cheers, Mark.
"Way back when," was in the 1950's, when Paul Larson authored an MR article on the subject. The structure was what the Squire Dingee Company referred to as a, "Pickle station." Local farmers brought cucumbers by truck, vinegar arrived in vinegar tank cars, salt and spices were box car lading and the semi-finished pickles left in those 'four vats on a flatcar' pickle cars. The pickle cars were owned by Squire Dingee.
Squire Dingee was a major player in the pickle business up until the late 1950s, then faded from the scene. I found one reference that indicated abandonment of a pickle station site in Wisconsin in 1959.
Chuck (modeling Central Japan in September, 1964)
Here's a photo of the HO scale Sassen Vinegar Works kit by FSM. I'm in N scale and the kit is neither in my budget nor skillset, but it's an interesting structure that gives me a pretty good idea about what to model. The wooden vats under the open-sided shed seem to be a major visual.I've received quite a bit of helpful info - thanks to all. I'm told that a portion of what I described earlier with the pickles and sauerkraut is would actually take place at a cannery or pickle factory. Vinegar would be distilled at the 'works' and shipped elsewhere.
A "Vinegar Works" was once a common lineside industry. The grade on the Milwaukee RR coming up (northbound) into Freeport, Illinois was known as "Vinegar Hill" due to the nearby vinegar works. I don't think I have any photos in my collection, but I have looked at such structures from Southern Wisconsin to Roanoke, Virginia (where the vinegar works was adjacent to the N&W Shenandoah line, just north of the intersection of what is now known as Hollins Road and Pocahontas Street). Large wood tanks, very similar to a RR watertank but sitting directly on concrete, were a defining characteristic of these plants. The ones I have seen all had these wood tanks which never appeared to have had any paint - highly weathered wood sides. Usually there were at least three tanks to allow for product to be in different periods of production. The one in Roanoke then had an open-sided frame structure holding up a roof to cover several of the tanks in a row.
I found a link for a large vinegar works in England that has some photos:
http://www.cryerfamilyhistory.btinternet.co.uk/location-vinegar-works.htm
Apple cider vinegar is made from apple juice, so such a plant would be quite suitable for anywhere that could support apple orchards. Most of the time, the apples would be delivered to the vinegar works by wagon or small truck, and the finished product would go out by rail. The "press" for squeezing the fruit would have been housed in an adjacent structure. Many of us modeling the steam era (especially in HO) do have one of those vinegar tank cars somewhere, and having a vinegar works on the line would provide some justification for its use - they were almost always in "captive" service to one company.
Hope this helps. Bill
If I'm not mistaken, a vinegar works produces vinegar, which, in my 1930s modelling era, was shipped in wooden tank cars to processing plants where vinegar would be used. I do recall, as a child, seeing a pickle factory where there were a number of outdoor wooden tanks (like water towers without the legs) where the pickles were aged before canning. Sorry I can't offer any more details, as I was pretty young at the time.
What you're describing is a cannery, where vinegar would be delivered, along with fruit and/or vegetables, for processing. The fruit and vegetables could be locally grown and delivered by trucks or wagons, or brought in from elsewhere by rail. Outgoing shipments of processed products would most likely be shipped in either boxcars or un-iced reefers. I think that those pickle cars were used mainly for delivering bulk quantities of aged pickles (from the tank farm I described) to canneries, for placement in jars.
Wayne
I'm considering the possibility of modeling a small vinegar works on my layout (vinegar, pickles, sauerkraut, etc.). I've found virtually no prototype info and a grand total of one photo of a club layout having a vinegar works. Aside from the signage - it looked quite generic in the view I saw.
Hoping to get a little input on what I might model to represent such an industry. I'm assuming inbound would be mostly produce (apples, cabbage, cukes) and salt in boxcars and reefers. Outbound product would be shipped in vinegar tank cars, boxcar and reefers.
Any help would be appreciated...